Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

Dave:

What do you remember about the Cheetah II? As I remember, it was a remolded Cheetah? What can you tell me about this disc? Thanks!

[davei]

jaymo, the regular JK Aviar is also good in the rain. It will also be a little stiffer in the cold weather of the rain. Basically, the JK and KC Aviars are the same mold with the same flight out of different plastics.

[davei]

erik, the Cheetah 2 was a lower profile Cheetah. After trying it, we determined it wasn't anything special except a little faster.

[crotts]

a faster cheetah that wasn't good enough. didn't see that one coming.

Dave, Pro Eagle?

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Dave,

Great job on answering our questions!
Im a bit af a Roc collector, and this years ice bowl roc i recieved has a dome rising out of the center (big dome-about 6" accross and noticably high) is this something new? Im afraid to throw it because of that! Could this be a nice turning roc?

[davei]

Roc Steady, it is an artifact of trying to improve the durability of dx. It won't adversely affect the flight of the disc. They actually fly great, but can feel funny in your hand. We have since gone back to the regular DX.

[gokayaksteven]

i assume there are indeed 2 teebird T molds. the older [CAL.] and newer [CA.] mold. i understand the older is stable, while the newer is deeper, more [over]stable, and possibly slower. i have heard this from a couple others and have also found it to be true, in the flights at least. i was not aware of the different molds, but i found the 11x, the earlier new champion, and the newer dx to feel slower and closer to overstable than older teebirds. i have also found a couple of my newer champion tees to be more like the older ce, ie not as [over]stable. did you go back to the older mold [CAL] recently because it flew straighter, longer? where does the cfr tl fit into this? i mean, does it share a section of the mold with the "T", that could have affected the way it flew? i will be back home [discs are there] in a month and will check all my teebird "T"s.

[Nelly]

Has Innova ever thought of making a DG 'shoe'? If so, tell me a little bit about it. Perhaps a shoe that works in all conditions..kind of like an all-terrain shoe or one that is best for certain teepads..just curious.

thanks,
nelly

[Nelly]

Also Dave or anyone else who knows,
I have pictures of an 88' Worlds disc that I can't identify. I own the disc. Got it from some guy about 12 years ago. The pics are on the link below. Please take a look and let me know what you think, whether its Innova or not, I don't know.

http://www.geocities.com/juglingsuns/discgolf.html

thanks again,
nelly

try the Solomon Expert GTX Low, its a really nie, really comfortable gore tex shoe and solomon sponsors some dg stuff, so why not?

[chappyfade]

Nelly,

It looks like a Phantom. The Phantom was a Discraft product, and they were pretty popular in the late 80s. I had a black one, once upon a time.

Chap

[mf100forever]

Hi,
it is a Phantom Plus, you´ll find at the top of this page on Steve Hartwell´s excellent site:
http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/wdgc88.html

[davei]

Nelly, we have thought about a shoe, but there is no way we could compete with the shoes already on the market. I couldn't get your link to work, but if it says Innova on the engraving, it is our discs. If there is no engraving, then I would need to see it, to see if it is an early proto.

[20460chase]

Dave, anything new coming out this summer?

[davei]

chase, there is a long range driver in the works. I imagine we will have it by next summer.

[jaymo]

Dave, I hate to ask, but how're the Dx Orcs coming??? are they done molding, thanks very much!

[gokayaksteven]

hey dave--did you get a chance to see my teebird question a page or so back? thanks again for all your time--steven

[Nelly]

Thanks everyone. A Phantom + it is.
Dave I hear ya about the shoes, no worries(just curious).

happy golfin,
nelly

[20460chase]

Looking forward to it thanks Dave.

[davei]

jaymo, the Orc is in now. DX will start in a couple of days.

[davei]

sorry steven, I didn't understand the question. There are two TB molds that are identical except for the engraving. We also can run Ls from either.

[gokayaksteven]

are there noticeable flight differences in the 2 molds? thanks again

[jaymo]

The Dx Orc will start molding, stamping, or selling in a couple of days? Thanks

[davei]

steven there are no differences in the molds whatsoever. Molding differences may occur for various other reasons.

[davei]

Jaymo, molding. It will take several weeks to mold, stamp, and finally ship to dealer locations.

[jaymo]

Thanks, I will never bring it up again!

until they come out, then Kudos

Jaymo, how many DX Orcs are you going to buy when they come out? 4 boxes?

I'll bet those things will sell like hotcakes. Dave, is the Pro Orc the best selling Pro disc? Is the Champ Orc still the best selling driver?

[davei]

Not really sure about the Pro Orc at the moment, but wouldn't be surprised. It will have new competition with the Pro Beast and Valk. The Champ Orc was probably our best selling candy driver, but without looking at the list, I might miss something like the Beast or Valkyrie. Lately, I wouldn't be surprised if the Sidewinder overtook it as it is new and very well recieved.

[Cdale600]

Hi Dave,

Great job on the Sidewinder. It is a great disc and has found a spot instantly in my bag and the bags of a bunch of other people I know. I was trying to force Valkyries into the role the sidewinder fits perfectly.

[gokayaksteven]

thank you dave--i had heard that there was some variation in the 2 molds and that was why the newer tees seem more [over]stable. thanks again. pro firebird? i think the dx firebird is a very underrated disc.