Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[mf100forever]

Dave,
x-mold ? Isn´t JK Aviar X made from the regular Driver mold (Big bead) even if it says "Putt & Approach" on teh hotstamp?

[davei]

mf100, yes. To clarify: the driver mold is the X mold. All aviars are classified as putt & approach.

Thanks Dave, heres a picture of the disc:
Pro Line JK Aviar X
It looks identical to my old 3x JK Pro, but its made out of much firmer plastic...
Also, what is the difference betweent the x mold and a regular big bead?
Thanks again!

[davei]

crdiscgolfer, Looks like a first run. No difference usually. However the big bead could be used with the putter mold or non x mold.

[mattdisc]

That is a 1st run JK AviarX, I still have a few of them, not as soft as the other JK Aviars. Came in white and blue with the bar stamp.

Dave great job with the Pro Orcs and Beasts, I've got them at 157 & 158, I can throw 400' again. Thanks

Thanks Dave and mattdisc for answering my question!

[jaymo]

hey dave, what's the classic aviar??? I hear it's a stiff plastic, is it a driver/putter big/small beads??

thanks

Dave, was wondering what is so special about 8x Rocs? Are they different from current Rancho Rocs or what? I just saw one for 130 on E-Bay! Were only a few made or what? Thanks!

[davei]

jaymo, the Classic is like the original Aviar putter mold with a small bead. It is stiff and tall and flies very straight.

[davei]

crdiscgolfer, I don't know. They should be the same as 10X. Kid Roc would know. You could send him a private mail.

Thanks, I'll ask him

I have had a couple of Leopards that I cant seem to find anymore... they say Pro Line on them, but they aren't like the new Pro Line Leopards. It says Ultra-Long Turning Driver on it and "Designed for Professionals". It also has a big Innova bar stamp on it. The plastic is also different from the new Pro Line Leopards. I found another old Pro Line Leopard, but it is the clear Champion like plastic. What is this plastic? What that I could find now would be like it? Thanks in advance!

There was a brief period where innova was changing the name of their candy plastic. Champion Edition (CE).....Pro Line......Champion (now). It is essentially the same plastic. Sometimes between now and then the molds slightly changed, hence the desire for CE Valk's, But with the Leopard, they have not changed to my notice. I have all three, a Pro Line Leopard, CE Leopard, and a Champion Leopard. All the same, but the CE Leopard seems to have stayed stable/straight for the longest.

Perhaps Dave can expand on that, but I believe that is the story of the old Pro Line.

Thats what I figured, but i also have another Pro Line one from around that time and it is clearer plastic, not pearly at all and it has the newer innova swoosh logo on it. This Pro Line one I'm talking about seems more like my earlier run (taffy plastic) CE Leopard, where as the other Pro Line one I have (clearer one) seems like my later run CE Leopard (clearer more current Championlike plastic)...

I actually have 2 CE Leopards (1 clear, 1 opaque), 2 ProLine Leopards (1 clear, 1 opaque) and 2 Champion Leopards (1 clear, 1 pearlescent)...

I would think if they were changing the plastic, this one would be more like the later run CE Leopards or my right before Champion Pro Line Leopard (the clearer one). Hmm...

Actually I just saw a KC Pro Eagle today that was opaque. It looked alot like the CE Eagles. I would guess it is a combination of plastics they were experimenting with.

[davei]

cr, the clear Leopard was candy, just like the Champion now.

[davei]

Chris, all of the variations of Leopards are due to materials and name. The mold has never changed. Any clear leopard is the equivalent of Champion, whether taffy or candy. The opaques might be SE,( which is like current Pro), or current Pro, or older CE. The softer opaques are more likely SE or current Pro, and the stiffer more likely to be Champion. You can tell by the wear pattern more easily. The nicks and tears on Champion are less jagged and smaller.

Thanks Dave!

Alright (one more, I feel like I've been asking you a million questions), I have 2 10x KC Pro Rocs, 1 seems to have a blunt nose like my 8x, but one seems to have a sharper nose like me 04 CE or 11x. Why is this? Is it that they're from the two different mold, or is it just an abronmality...

[ChunkyleeChong]

There are two different molds for the 10x. one is the 8x mold.this is where the term 18x roc comes from.a 10x with 8x mold.

right, i just figured that one out by looking way deep into this thread. Dave answers this question like once every few months. Guess I had to be the moron to ask the question again... Sorry Dave

Hi Dave, just wanted to check in again on the latest projections for the XD coming out in Pro? Is it still on the waiting list? Also curious as to what the feedbcak has been on the new Bulldog. Are people liking it? Is it used mostly as another approach? A putter? Both? Thanks in advance for your taking the time to answer questions. It is much appreciated.

[davei]

step, the Pro XD is still on the waiting list. The Bulldog is being used equally as a putter and approach. But usually one or the other by each individual. I was using it for short drives. Most of the feedback would like a little softer plastic.

Au contrair.......me likey the stiff plastic......

[cbdiscpimp]

Hey dave,

My buddies and I were playing a round the other day at Hudson Mills and we found a Champion Valk with the Juliana Stamp on it and at the bottom is says " 5 time womens World Champ Juliana Korver" I thought she had only won 4 World Champioships. Is this a misprint or am i just wrong about how many she has won???

Thanks

[davei]

big, she won her 5th at Flagstaff, I believe.

[discette]

Juliana won the Pro Championships in 98, 99, 00, 01 and 03.

She is actually a 6 time World Champion if you count her Am Championship in 1995.

so technically discs should say 6 time PDGA world champion.

XD coming out in Pro?

AHHH. oh i would soo buy 30 of these. i love XDs. can never have enough XD's.

so technically discs should say 6 time PDGA world champion.

Do Am championships really count?

If they should count Am's, then shouldn't they count Masters, Grandmasters, Senior Grand Masters, Legends, Overall, Distance, Accuracy, DDC, MTA, Freestyle, etc.? If so, then I know a guy with about 20 World Championships. Where is his signature disc?