Ball Golf thread

I know there has to be a bunch of disc golfers on here who follow ball golf. anyone been watching the Mercedes Championship the last couple of nights? i think V.J. is lookin like he could have another HUGE year.tiger missed a bunch of stupid putts today and yesterday so he's like 5 back i think.

[morgan]

We hate ball golf. Ball golf is our enemy. Ball golfers wear yellow plaid pants. Ball golfers form country clubs that bar blacks and latinos. Ball golfers only talk about money and stock market and inventments. Ball golfers are old. Ball golfers are snobby and snooty. Ball golfers drink too much. We hate ball golf. Unless they have fly 18 then we like ball golf.

right. if you are into stereotyping. ball golf just happens to be the main bases of our sport IMO.

Where do you think disc golf got its inspiration? Soccer??? Your narrow mindedness is disturbing. All due respect, you can't have one without the other bro.

[slo]

You guys need to check out that profile, LOL...there's no way to debate, that guy's in trouble EVERY day!

[michler]

I love watching golf too. Phil is my boy, but since he isn't playing in hawaii then i root for Tiger. Tiger showed that I think he will return to his winning ways in 2005. On a side note, Nike makes sweet golf polos that are awesome for disc golf tourneys. Ball golf isn't our enemy! I like all sports.

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[james_mccaine]

Why do y'all take Maynard's post as serious.

Anyways, I love to watch ball golf and am planning to finally see one in person this year. I heard last week that Vijay's caddy was looking to get out. I heard he makes almost a million for just being a caddy, but it is still not enough to put up with Vijay.

[sandalman]

VJ rules! he's elevated the concept of dedication and practice to almost super-human levels, and has reaped the rewards of it. and except for one sadly misstated/misinterpreted comment last year, he is above reproach.

i love watching ball golf, because it can teach so much about course management and tourney-play strategies that is easily translated to disc golf.

Tiger's been sidetracked with his woman. after all the hoopla of the wedding wears off and he gets back to taking his profession seriously, he'll be back in first his fair share. but i'm betting 2005 is VJ's year again, although we'll see a bunch of different winners just like in 2004.

no doubt, V.J. has his game dialed in. if anyone will rival him this year i would have to say it will be tiger, or ernie.

[Moderator005]

VJ rules! he's elevated the concept of dedication and practice to almost super-human levels, and has reaped the rewards of it. and except for one sadly misstated/misinterpreted comment last year, he is above reproach.

i love watching ball golf, because it can teach so much about course management and tourney-play strategies that is easily translated to disc golf.

Tiger's been sidetracked with his woman. after all the hoopla of the wedding wears off and he gets back to taking his profession seriously, he'll be back in first his fair share. but i'm betting 2005 is VJ's year again, although we'll see a bunch of different winners just like in 2004.

Check out this article on Golf fans Singh-ing the blues? Memo to Vijay and company: Have a little fun out there

Vijay Singh is the worst thing to happen to golf. While a dedicated family man and the hardest working man in golf, he is almost unilaterally disliked for his stand-offish personality. Some 20th century European dictators were more likeable than Singh. His sexist comments on Annika Sorenstam two years ago didn't help his image much, either.

The golf world needs a Tiger resurgence or a big year from the vibrant and youthful Sergio Garcia or the wildly popular blue collar man John Daly. Otherwise we'll yawn through yet another dull season.

[sandalman]

VJ's having fun, i have no doubt. just because he's not a poster child for teenage antics doesnt mean he's all uptight. for ridiculous celebrating of what youre paid to do we always have the NFL.

[cwphish]

Cultural consideration and awareness is something to factor in before passing judgement on Vijay. Oh wait, this is our country and our sport (our meaning the United States), so continue on creating an expectation for others that they have to abide by to be accepted here (US again).

[Moderator005]

Yea, you're probably right about being more considerate and aware of his culture. While we're at it, I guess we should allow cheating, too.

[sandalman]

what cultures cheats? what pga player cheated?

[cwphish]

I have no idea what he is referring to.

[Moderator005]

If you guys knew anything about Vijay Singh, there is a well known incident where he cheated at the 1985 Indonesian Open and subsequently was suspended from the Asian Tour. He says it was as simple as signing an incorrect scorecard, which just gets a tournament DQ in most golf organizations, but doubt remains. He was also banned from the Australian Tour around that same timeframe for failing to pay back debts. While these incidents were a long, long time ago, no man is "above reproach."

my guess is that after last season he probably got those debts payed off. vijay is a class act IMO much more than tiger and his profanity on the course, or daily and his past addictions.

Whenever I watch a tournament with both Vijay and Tiger in it, it seems as though Tiger always places better. Curious about this, I pulled some stats from last year, Vijay's alleged fantastic year.

Common Tournaments

In 2004, there were 18 tournaments in which both Tiger and Vijay competed.

In those 18 common tournaments in 2004:
Tiger placed higher than Vijay 11 times
Vijay placed higher than Tiger 7 times

In those 18 tournaments:

Tiger	Vijay	Category
1	3	Wins
9	4	Top 5\'s
13	7	Top 10\'s
0	1	Missed Cut

Yes,
Tiger had 9 of 18 top 5's, and 13 of 18 top 10's, and
Vijay had 4 of 18 top 5's, and 7 of 18 top 10's.


Solo Tournaments

In 2004, Vijay played in 14 tournaments where Tiger didn't play.

In those 14 tournaments:

Vijay	Category
6	Wins
10	Top 5\'s
12	Top 10\'s

Let's put Vijay's Common and Solo tournaments side-by-side to better compare.

Common	Solo	Category
18	14	# of tournaments
3	6	Wins
4	10	Top 5\'s
7	12	Top 10\'s
1	0	Missed Cut

For completeness, in 2004, Tiger played in 3 tournaments where Vijay didn't play.

In those 3 tournaments:

Tiger	Category
1	Wins
2	Top 5\'s
3	Top 10\'s

These results are for 2004 only. The stats are very similar, and even more favorable to Tiger, when 2003 is included as well.

So far in 2005: 2 tounaments played. 1 common tournament, where Tiger placed higher. 1 Vijay solo tournament, where Vijay won.

Commentary

After looking at these results, a couple things become clear.

The first is, Vijay does markedly better in tournaments that Tiger isn't playing in. There are at least 2 possible explanations for this: 1) The tournaments are weaker, and/or 2) There is something mental/intimidating going on. Number 1 would be fairly easy to prove, while number 2 will remain a matter of debate.

The second thing to notice is that in common tournaments, aside from the 3 wins for Vijay to 1 win for Tiger, Tiger fares much better on the whole. There's only one explanation I can think of for this. Namely, despite the POY honors, despite the money title, despite the World Ranking -- Tiger is simply a better player. Even after Vijay's much-lauded 2004 season.

Beyond comparing results from tournaments in which they both played, I can't think of a more fair way to compare the two players.

charlse howell III just had it bounce out of the cup and into the water. that was the craziest shot i've seen in a LONG TIME.

[Chris Hysell]

I had looked away and heard the noise it made. I thought it had hit the top of the flag. When I saw the replay, I saw that it came out of the cup and bounced 30ft into the water. Just crazy.

[ck34]

Although much more common in disc golf, especially at the Fountain, for one example.

[Tbranch]

I saw that! It was his last hole. If it stays in he's tied for the lead... instead it bounces out and rolls into the water.

Luke has been +3 since the match went off the air. Tiger and Tom Lehman are now tied for first... two ahead of Luke.

It was a 3 stroke swing for Howell bouncing out and into the water... should be interesting to see how much money that cost him.

[Tbranch]

Tiger finished with pars and birdies, Lehman finished with pars and bogeys. Tiger wins by 3. Howels bounce cost him a tie for first. He dropped to a 3 way tie for second. Could have been worse for him.

[adogg187420]

Yes, Howell definately deserved to make his final chip-in..i dont know if he would have beaten Tiger in the play-off, tho...but who knows, Tiger did get really lucky on his approach shot on the 18th...

[woodpecker]

Howell would have beat Tiger in a playoff....his game was on sunday more than Tigers.....so many putts the skinny boy missed by centimeters......

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Mickelson posted a 60 (-11) today! Nine birdies and an eagle; he holed out for deuce on the par four 17th hole. A strong showing this weekend could be a springboard to another green jacket in Augusta...

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