Ask Hero about Discraft ( or anything else)

[my_hero]

You can bet that if someone was buying Cam Todds from me they would be getting the real deal. Orange or white?

Same here my VA bro-hizzy!

[ChrisWoj]

the new cam todds are not cam todds.....the pastic is wayyy different...seems like they're charging 20+ for stiffer pro d(current material) challengers....i felt them at worlds and started laughing at all the people paying 20 bucks for em....

I laugh at anyone that pays 20+ for a rare disc to throw period.

[Mark_Stephens]

I've felt the newer stiff D plastic challengers, and they aren't like the cam todds I've got from Dynamic Discs, The Cam Todds I have feel like they're made out of Gateways M or S putter plastics.

I'm just wondering why if there seems to be a demand for them, and ppl are willing to pay extra $$ for them, why not make another production run of them? Shortage of plastic? Molding issues?

is there a discraft rep left on the boards? i miss hero, i know he's busy after the hurricaine.

Would you rather sell your D Plastic disc for to resellers for $4.50 or for $20?

Actually, since Discraft bought the Aviar mold (Cam Todd Challenger) from Innova to make that disc there might have been a restriction on how many discs they could make from it. Just a guess or two as to why the low numbers.

[bruce_brakel]

Actually, since Discraft bought the Aviar mold (Cam Todd Challenger) from Innova to make that disc ...

If disc golf were big enough to be noticed, I'm pretty sure that would be debunked on Snopes.

[tafe]

If disc golf were big enough to be noticed, I'm pretty sure that would be debunked on Snopes.

Consider it debunked right here. The idea that that could happen is just silly. Besides the fact that the bead and the whole disc is different. Putters can be very similar to each other since there isn't enough room to vary like there are on drivers, but the Aviar and Challenger are definitely different.
And how could someone buy a mold and get off the underside printing without leaving an ugly esker? Just buy the top? Right.

[mikeP]

Would you rather sell your D Plastic disc for to resellers for $4.50 or for $20?

Actually, since Discraft bought the Aviar mold (Cam Todd Challenger) from Innova to make that disc there might have been a restriction on how many discs they could make from it. Just a guess or two as to why the low numbers.

You'd better ask Dave D. about that one...actually spare him the stress. The Aviar is Dave's all time child of a disc. I suspect you would have to pry the mold from his cold dead hands.

[Mark_Stephens]

Ummm...

That is the story that I heard.

I heard that Cam Todd was sponsored by Innova and would not come to Discraft because he did not want to change putters.

Now, could the story that I heard be wrong. Of course it could be. I had asked why the Cam Todd Challenger was sooooooo special.

Since I throw none of those discs I would not really know. Just repeating a tale that I heard. It of course could be 100% inaccurate.

I thought that is what this message board was for to spread lies, innuendo, & libel? I could be wrong about that too of course...

[stack]

You'd better ask Dave D. about that one...actually spare him the stress. The Aviar is Dave's all time child of a disc. I suspect you would have to pry the mold from his cold dead hands.

actually i've heard the older molds are open for anyone to use since the patents should've run out by now (patents are for 20 yrs... 14 for the 'design process') so the aviar, roc and other older molds should be free game.

[dgdave]

The actual mold wasn't patented, the triangular, beveled edge design was patented

[mikeP]

The actual mold wasn't patented, the triangular, beveled edge design was patented

Exactly. Disc companies do not use other disc companies molds (let me say David M might b/c he will do anything w/plastic). The molds are physical property of whichever company owns them. Companies may imitate, but they do not exchange physical molds.

[Chris Hysell]

You can buy $4 chinese imitations of discs. I held one last night. The first noticeable difference is the plastic.

[stack]

You can buy $4 chinese imitations of discs. I held one last night. The first noticeable difference is the plastic.

really?! has that time finally come? i've been saying this for a while now that the next 'big' manufacturer would be CHINA. where'd you get the disc and what 'imitations' have you found?

[dgdave]

Aren't the instep discs made in china?

[abee1010]

Ummm...

That is the story that I heard.

I heard that Cam Todd was sponsored by Innova and would not come to Discraft because he did not want to change putters.

Now, could the story that I heard be wrong. Of course it could be. I had asked why the Cam Todd Challenger was sooooooo special.

Since I throw none of those discs I would not really know. Just repeating a tale that I heard. It of course could be 100% inaccurate.

I thought that is what this message board was for to spread lies, innuendo, & libel? I could be wrong about that too of course...

I heard a different story first hand the day that Cam signed with Dcraft. He had some type of falling out with the folds at innova to the point where he felt he couldn't trust them. He said he switched to discraft because he felt they treat their sponsered players better. As far as I know, the cam todd challenger was not conceived until after that point...

[Mark_Stephens]

That very well could be true. I am not going to argue with anyone that I am right because I really don't know one way or another.

Nonetheless, I do agree with the original poster than $20-30 for this putter seems over priced. If there is such a market demand for them, I am surprised that Discraft is not running a large batch of them.

[Chris Hysell]

I saw Whamo golf discs. Supposedly a chinese company has bought Whamo which means they now own the Frisbee name. I saw a driver that was hard as a brick. If it hit a tree it would have exploded. It won't be long before you can buy them alongside $50 Rolexes on the street corner. I like my Rolex

[tacimala]

That very well could be true. I am not going to argue with anyone that I am right because I really don't know one way or another.

Nonetheless, I do agree with the original poster than $20-30 for this putter seems over priced. If there is such a market demand for them, I am surprised that Discraft is not running a large batch of them.

Let us all think back to the waking moment in ECON 201 and a little concept called supply and demand.

[Mark_Stephens]

Well, you could sell 100 for $20 or 500 for $4.50 and be making the same amount of money.

[bcleary]

Chris I need a Cam Todd Challenger in Orange!

[Chris Hysell]

I never EBay my discs. When one of my fellow Discraft teammates stops by my house I take them into the disc golf room and let them pick through my goodies. I let them go for cheap. Once I let MTL in there to fondle my stuff. I think he messed his pants.

[my_hero]

Once I let MTL in there to fondle my stuff. I think he messed his pants.

ROTFLOL! A much needed laugh after all of these IKE claims.

[RhynoBoy]

Let us all think back to the waking moment in ECON 201 and a little concept called supply and demand.

Yes, Let Alfred Marshall explain this to everybody.

[tacimala]

Well, you could sell 100 for $20 or 500 for $4.50 and be making the same amount of money.

Guess along with retaking ECON 201, some third grade multiplication wouldn't hurt either. :P

[Mark_Stephens]

LOL

You got me there. I had intended to write "nearly" in there.

[kwilliamson]

Kenner was asked earlier this year when he was attending the one disc challenge in Ann Arbor, if Discraft would put out a CT challenger like disc ever again.

He stated that a majority of the Cam Todds already out there would probably fail the flexibility test. And he said that they could no longer produce something as stiff as the CT for that reason. They'd never get approval.
The challengers that Discraft were selling at worlds were pretty close. But I'm guessing the difference in feel might be due to different plastic they used to pass flexibility.

[dgdave]

That's a mute point. The challenger mold is already approved, so they can make them as stiff as they wanted and the people want them STIFF

[Big E]

That's a mute point. The challenger mold is already approved, so they can make them as stiff as they wanted and the people want them STIFF

SECOND! Look at the wizard they are hard as a roc

[poisonelf]

They shouldn't limit how stiff a disc is anyway. Its a safety issues but you shouldn't be throwing a disc at a person anyway unless your playing guts

[reallybadputter]

Guess along with retaking ECON 201, some third grade multiplication wouldn't hurt either. :P

Why? If the discs cost $0.625 each, you'd be making the same amount of money...

If C is the cost:
100*($20-C) = 500*($4.50-C)

solve for C and you get C=$0.625

Of course that assumes that the cost for 100 and 500 are the same...

[BerserkerRush]

That's a mute point. The challenger mold is already approved, so they can make them as stiff as they wanted and the people want them STIFF

The linguist in me wants me to ask, "What is a mute point?" For all intensive purposes, never heard of it.