Ask Hero about Discraft ( or anything else)

[Big E]

I just replaced my KC Cheetah's with a white ESP XL and I am very happy with the results so far!

[mikeP]

Would you consider the Xpress to be a more finicky Roadrunner?

It is exactly like a slower Roadrunner with a little less glide. The slower speed probably makes it a less finicky roadrunner. I need to throw it some more as well as try a couple different ones to say for sure.

[my_hero]

I replaced my Z-Xpress with the ESP SS Avenger. The SS Avenger travels much faster and longer than the XPress. If i need something shorter or slower i go with da buzzz.

[the_kid]

So are all White ESPs flat? I have two Trackers that are white and have no dome whereas the Blue one I have has a huge dome. I have also noticed this in the Flashes but you don't want the flat ones anyway.


If the white XLs are flat like the Tracker they may have potential.

[Furthur]

Scooter, my orange XL's, and all the other orange ones I've seen where also flat.

[the_kid]

Scooter, my orange XL's, and all the other orange ones I've seen where also flat.

The Orange I had I believe was the flattest of the bunch but not nearly as flat as a Z.

[mikeP]

So the Challenger is Discraft's most popular putter...ESP seems like Discraft's most popular plastic...Why is there no (true)ESP Challenger? Maybe Discraft would feel guilty introducing the best driver putter ever...at least that's my best theory. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

[the_kid]

So the Challenger is Discraft's most popular putter...ESP seems like Discraft's most popular plastic...Why is there no (true)ESP Challenger? Maybe Discraft would feel guilty introducing the best driver putter ever...at least that's my best theory. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

No that would be the ESP Magsnet. [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Actually I don't have a problem with this because putters in "good" plastic don't fly as far in most cases.

[anarak82]

so are the supercolor challengers not esp? are they x or d then? and what plastic are the cam todd challengers in?

I've been trying to pick back up the d magnet lately, but my old D Magnets seemed a little firmer than the ones I've bought recently. Now that it's getting hot here in Texas, my new D Mags are turning gooey

[dgdave]

Super colors are in D and X. CT's are just a stiff D. New D magnets are soft. I was pi$$ed when I got some in. I remeber my old ones from when I started plating and they were super stiff

[the_kid]

Super colors are in D and X. CT's are just a stiff D. New D magnets are soft. I was pi$$ed when I got some in. I remeber my old ones from when I started plating and they were super stiff

So what do we need to do to get firmer ones?

[dgdave]

Beg the circleD? Ebay?

Beg for those and ESP Xtreme and Venoms

[the_kid]

Beg the circleD? Ebay?

Beg for those and ESP Xtreme and Venoms

I need the direct line to Kenner's house if I am going to beg.

All three of those would be sick!!!

[mr smOOOth]

If the new D Magnets are too soft try a Glo Magnet. I get them from Marshall St. or GGGT. They are plenty stiff!

[the_kid]

I wonder if Discraft has them?

[thetruthxl]

mikey,
we've got some worlds "esp" challengers that are as hard as a hubcap. you need some?

[S_Wells]

FLX Surge vs. ESP Surge
Has anyone noticed much difference between the flight characteristics of these discs?

[rosendin20]

so any new info on the zoom? I have on and love it just wanting to know if its legal yet.

[michaeljo]

my understanding is it probably wont be legal until late this year, might be the Ace Race disc this year. But this is my understanding not Discraft's
mj

[kUrTp]

FLX Surge vs. ESP Surge
Has anyone noticed much difference between the flight characteristics of these discs?

The ESP Surge is my go to. The FLX Surge generally, for me, will hold an annie line longer than the ESP plastic before flating out.

[JHBlader86]

I find the ESP to be able to hold turnover lines longer, while the FLX Surge IMO is the most stable of the bunch, and cuts hard to the left at the end of its flight. I always preferred the Z Surge myself though.

[mikeP]

FLX Surges show a lot of variation in stability compared to the other plastics imo. The FLX are the fastest out of the hand, but they lose speed and spin more quickly than the other plastics. This makes them seem more stable as they fade out quicker. FLX Surges also track right and lose altitude quicker when they are flying turned over. The ESPs are the longest, with more turn and fade than the Z. The ESPs are faster than the Z. The Z Surge is the straightest and has the least low speed fade. They also turn slower when flipped.

[JCthrills]

my understanding is it probably wont be legal until late this year, might be the Ace Race disc this year. But this is my understanding not Discraft's
mj

That seems like a very long time to keep the disc in prototype status.

[michaeljo]

well yea it kinda will be, i know they had been having problems with consistenly getting the disc to weigh up properly in the mold, so there are still things for them to work out with this one
mj

[ferretdance03]

mikey,
we've got some worlds "esp" challengers that are as hard as a hubcap. you need some?

I'm not mikey, but you've got my attention...

[mikeP]

I'm not mikey, but you've got my attention...

I am him...and I want some of those. Sounds like the stable driver Challenger I have been conceptualizing. PM me a price.

[JHBlader86]

I saw a Supercolor Surge yesterday at the outdoors store, and it was rated 1.5 instead of the normal 1.7. Curious as to why this Surge was rated less, and how many are there? And if anyone has any experience with these 1.5 surges, how do they fly?

[discchucker]

The supercolor surge are noticeably less high speed stable when compared to the normal runs of esp surges.

[JBerg]

Been searching for this info for awhile so ill finally ask. :P
Whats the flight difference of ESP and Z crushes?

[abee1010]

I find the ESP to be very similar to the Z (not first run, the stability of the first runs is rather unpredicatable). I used to throw Z-Crush's for my primary driver and made a very smooth switch to the ESP's. The main drawback of the ESP's is that they get beat up quicker...