Sanctioned Ice Bowls

[doot]

How can the PDGA's new Competition Endowment Program be integrated into Ice Bowls?

The primary goal of the Ice Bowl is to raise money towards a local charity, but with the sanctioning fee and per-player fee, this clearly takes away from the IB's goal. The new CEP helps off-set tournament costs by waiving the non-member fee, but would they consider waiving either the sanctioning fee and/or the per-player fee to maximize the charitable donation?

With the local media more likely to cover charitable events, it would be in the PDGA's best interest to have an affiliation with these events.

Thoughts?

[ChrisWoj]

I like this idea. If an event applies as an Ice Bowl it can bypass those fees with the promise of sending them directly to charity instead.

[tkieffer]

Are any Ice Bowls sanctioned? Around here they're usually not. I thought most of the Ice Bowls don't involve the PDGA and thus there are no fees to waive.

Ice Bowl 2008

[enkster]

Tim,

That is the point. If sanctioning can occur with Ice Bowls, it gets more potential for positive media exposure for the sport and the organization.

Steve

[rizbee]

Cliff Towne runs the "Ice Bowl in Paradise" each year in L.A. and it has been PDGA sanctioned. Last year it was a D-Tier event, with funds raised for a disc golf education program. Prizes are minimal - I won the Adv. Masters division last year and my prize was a jar of chocolate-covered raisins. My son won the Junior division and his prize was a jar of peanut butter cups (both from Trader Joe's, so it was good chocolate). We had quite a chocolate buzz going after the 90-minute drive home from the tourney...

[tkieffer]

Tim,

That is the point. If sanctioning can occur with Ice Bowls, it gets more potential for positive media exposure for the sport and the organization.

Steve

I personally don't see the correlation between sanctioning an Ice Bowl and changing the impact of the media coverage. Especially as the media coverage is local in nature and more concerns local disc golfers helping out the local charity.

In our area most Ice Bows are doubles tournaments, they don't fit the standard PDGA tournament anyway. No ratings to be had and so on. Perhaps this is different elsewhere, but in the end, ICE Bowl is currently not a PDGA gig.

[doot]

Tim,

I'm fully aware that for the most part Ice Bowls are not a "PDGA gig," but my whole point is, why can't they be?

In my area, Ice Bowls are more likely to receive local media attention due to their charitable nature. Wouldn't it benefit the PDGA to have an affiliation with such events?

My first Ice Bowl (as well as this year and subsequent years) has/will involve/d a doubles format, so I'm not asking for points or rated rounds for tournament players. What I'm suggesting (encouraging) is that the PDGA find a level of affiliation with these events so the event can mention (and the media can spread the word) that disc golf is more than just a local sport.

I'm sure that media readers/viewers will become more intrigued if they hear disc golf has a Professional Disc Golf Association. It adds a level of legitimacy to our sport, even if the PDGA has little/no benefit to the tournament itself.

Steve, Pat, Peter, other BoD members - have you folks considered such an integration?

If I don't hear back from the BoD, I'll propose the idea to them..

- doot

[par54whereareyo]

We sanctioned our IB in Athens, AL last year. While we did send alot of money to the PDGA, I felt it was well worth it as we were able to double our previous year's attendence and charitable donation.

[StevenDodge]

Steve, Pat, Peter, other BoD members - have you folks considered such an integration?

Yes, but a proposal would be worth seeing to reenforce the idea. (Is that how you spell re enforce? It sure looks funny.)

[ck34]

(reinforce)

[sandalman]

doot, its a good idea. the icebowl is both a local and national story. tieing the local stories together makes the bigger story possible.

[doot]

Sobeit..

I will work on a proposal to present to the BoD. Expect something by the end of this week (I do want to talk to Rick about this.) Afterall, this is his baby, not mine..

- doot

[stack]

i think by sanctioning charity events like this without any costs to the TDs is a great step forward for the sport and could possibly help turnout at the actual event by having it on the PDGA calendar.

is there anything else that comes along w/ being 'sanctioned' other than having the event on the calendar if no fees are collected?

[sandalman]

sanctioned events get ratings.

do ice bowls need insurance?

[StevenDodge]

insurance, ratings, archival, on PDGA schedule, very handy excel sheet which figures out payout, helps with finances, and makes reporting easy

[wander]

doot, its a good idea. the icebowl is both a local and national story. tieing the local stories together makes the bigger story possible.

I'd think it would be important for any PDGA-affiliated "national" ice bowl program to have a charitable tie. Unless there's been a change that I missed, the "national" aspect of the current Ice Bowl scheme does not have any charitable component AT ALL.

I see insurance as a cost many times on this board ,however each tourny that ive competed in has players sign liability wavers. what benifits to the players or clubs is the pdga insurance cost????

[ck34]

Many parks can't be reserved for tournaments unless the TD has insurance. Players signing waivers is separate from that.

what is being insured??

[sandalman]

waivers are pretty flimsy in a lot of cases. if a player, spectator, bystander sues the TD, club, city, the event insurance pays the judgement

[magilla]

sanctioned events get ratings.

do ice bowls need insurance?

EVERY event should have insurance.... :crazy

All it takes is ONE CLAIM and a TD's, Club's, Series' life can change drastically...without insurance

[lvdgc]

Las Vegas stopped hosting the IceBowl, World's Biggest Challenge, and Toys-for-Tots a few years ago (raised some money for a local women's shelter) because we were required to get a $2 million insurance policy for each event, which I can't get without the PDGA's assistance. It would be helpful if the PDGA would allow these types of events to be a sanctioned by the PDGA as some type of very informal event (so we could buy the $2 million insurance policy from you), but then waive the per player fee and don't complete a detailed TD report to the PDGA (except maybe for the total number of players, or other general information). The simplified report would also eliminate the need for the PDGA to update player ratings from these types of events because at these informal events, you can usually purchase a mulligan, so the rounds aren't real anyway.

[tbender]

Las Vegas stopped hosting the IceBowl, World's Biggest Challenge, and Toys-for-Tots a few years ago (raised some money for a local women's shelter) because we were required to get a $2 million insurance policy for each event, which I can't get without the PDGA's assistance. It would be helpful if the PDGA would allow these types of events to be a sanctioned by the PDGA as some type of very informal event (so we could buy the $2 million insurance policy from you), but then waive the per player fee and don't complete a detailed TD report to the PDGA (except maybe for the total number of players, or other general information). The simplified report would also eliminate the need for the PDGA to update player ratings from these types of events because at these informal events, you can usually purchase a mulligan, so the rounds aren't real anyway.

Isn't this the kind of problems that led to the creation of the new special exemption for 2008 for such events?

[adam15016]

Las Vegas stopped hosting the IceBowl, World's Biggest Challenge, and Toys-for-Tots a few years ago (raised some money for a local women's shelter) because we were required to get a $2 million insurance policy for each event, which I can't get without the PDGA's assistance.

It would be helpful if the PDGA would allow these types of events to be a sanctioned by the PDGA as some type of very informal event (so we could buy the $2 million insurance policy from you), but then waive the per player fee and don't complete a detailed TD report to the PDGA (except maybe for the total number of players, or other general information). The simplified report would also eliminate the need for the PDGA to update player ratings from these types of events because at these informal events, you can usually purchase a mulligan, so the rounds aren't real anyway.

I would support this; we have a good thing going up here in St Cloud,
It would really be the pits
#1 any competitor, volunteer or spectator got hurt during this fundraiser event
# 2 getting sued
# 3 not running our Ice Bowl because of #1 & #2

The paperwork doesn’t bother me or even a special pdga event fee (maybe the pdga could sponsor / donate this) but I wouldn’t want to do the per player fee.

[sandalman]

1. waived or reduced sanctioning fees
2. gratis or reduced insurance policy
3. no per player event fees

4. build the national story
5. support the local story

am i getting this right so far?

[stack]

is there going to be a new tier added? One for charity events to distinguish on the PDGA calendar? I agree about not rating (or maybe give the TD the choice) and no player fees. As far as the TD report... I think the TD should give the total turnout (names and pdga vs non pdga maybe), and more importantly how much was rasied.

#s like this would be great ammo for the PDGA to be able to show someone on the calendar how many charity events there are and how much money is raised at these events.