jump putts

[rosendin20]

First off I would like to say thank you for this forum. I have been playing for about 6 months now and i have started jump putting. My question is someone pointed out that I leave both feet when i jump and thats it looks like the disc leaves my hand after both my feet are of the ground. now i have read the rule book but i have also watched in slo-mo climos jump putt and he leaves the ground before he releases the disc so i am a little confused. Is there any specific rule about jump putts or is it just over looked in tournys? Sorry about the long post but i have looked through the forums and used the search and i didn't find anything. thanks again for the forums and i look forward to your replys.

[ChrisWoj]

Jump putting is a tough judgement call. If you can get multiple players on your card to agree with you that someone did it illegally, then you can stroke a person for it, but it is often a tough call.

I will be honest though: if it takes slow motion video replay to catch a person releasing after they've left the ground, odds are they will not be caught. If you were obvious enough to be caught doing it, you need to work on it.

Technically, you can not leave the ground before you release, but it is a difficult call.

[JerryChesterson]

First off I would like to say thank you for this forum. I have been playing for about 6 months now and i have started jump putting. My question is someone pointed out that I leave both feet when i jump and thats it looks like the disc leaves my hand after both my feet are of the ground. now i have read the rule book but i have also watched in slo-mo climos jump putt and he leaves the ground before he releases the disc so i am a little confused. Is there any specific rule about jump putts or is it just over looked in tournys? Sorry about the long post but i have looked through the forums and used the search and i didn't find anything. thanks again for the forums and i look forward to your replys.

I actually had an incident in a tourney I played this last weekend where because of my jump putting style another competitor accused me of cheating by illegally jump putting. Here is the rule as I understand it.

You must have one foot on the ground directly behind your mini within the normal guidelines.

You can lean forward and jump towards the basket with your follow though if you are outside of 10 meters.

The disc must leave your hand before your foot leaves the ground.

The way I do it is I lean my entire body forward just as though I am running at the basket, then a split second before my 1st foot behind my mark leaves the ground but while my 2nd foot and my entire body for that matter extends well out out in front of me (think of someone running and look at their back foot) I release the put. It looks very odd but the results are tremendous. It is alway dead on and the only thing I have to worry about is height.

First the person in the tourney said you can't extend your body out past your marker which isn't true, everyone who putts extends almost their entire body past the marker, just not their feet. Once confronted with this fact he tried saying I was leaving the ground with my back foot before releasing the putt. All this after already having played the first round and half of the last round with this person. And we where on the leader card and I was leading. This resulted in an arguement and confrontation on the course.

[krazyeye]

I actually had an incident in a tourney I played this last weekend where because of my jump putting style another competitor accused me of cheating by illegally jump putting. Here is the rule as I understand it.

You must have one foot on the ground directly behind your mini within the normal guidelines.

You can lean forward and jump towards the basket with your follow though if you are outside of 10 meters.

The disc must leave your hand before your foot leaves the ground.

The way I do it is I lean my entire body forward just as though I am running at the basket, then a split second before my 1st foot behind my mark leaves the ground but while my 2nd foot and my entire body for that matter extends well out out in front of me (think of someone running and look at their back foot) I release the put. It looks very odd but the results are tremendous. It is alway dead on and the only thing I have to worry about is height.

First the person in the tourney said you can't extend your body out past your marker which isn't true, everyone who putts extends almost their entire body past the marker, just not their feet. Once confronted with this fact he tried saying I was leaving the ground with my back foot before releasing the putt. All this after already having played the first round and half of the last round with this person. And we where on the leader card and I was leading. This resulted in an arguement and confrontation on the course.

You were called and seconded in the second round. I know both guys that made the call and one is good friend he also jump putts (legally). As they describe your "putting style" you leave the ground before you let go. Maybe you need to work on your timing.

[JerryChesterson]

You were called and seconded in the second round. I know both guys that made the call and one is good friend he also jump putts (legally). As they describe your "putting style" you leave the ground before you let go. Maybe you need to work on your timing.

Actually I have video of my putts and it is legal. I do not release the putt before leaving the ground. It was never seconded. The 2nd guy said, "ya I don't know if that is legal, it looks wierd." He stated intially that you can't have your body extended over the mark which is false, not that I left the ground before releasing the putt. It wasn't unitl 10 minutes later on another fairway that he changed his stance to say I was leaving the ground before releasing. In addition there where 2 other people on the card that stated the putt looked OK to them. In addition there was another individual who approached me after the round on a different card who witnessed the who thing who also stated the putt was legal. So just to clear the air on that issue, the putt was legal, the timing is fine. The call wasn't seconded because I was never stroked for it.

This wasn't an attack on the person who made the call. I played 2 rounds will the person in that tourney and he is a fine person. I've played with him in the past. Just saying that you can't play 29 holes with someone putting the same way the whole round and then wait until there are a few holes left and tourney is in the balance to question the putting style. Call it the first 10 times I jump putted that way. Again I have no qualms with the person who made the call, they where just wrong in the call and wrong in how they handled it.

How should the following be handled ...
A card consists of 5 people, Persons A-E. Person A jump putts, Personx B and C think the putt is illegal and call it within the required time. Person D and E think it is legal.

[krazyeye]

How should the following be handled ...
A card consists of 5 people, Persons A-E. Person A jump putts, Personx B and C think the putt is illegal and call it within the required time. Person D and E think it is legal.

If called and seconded it doesn't matter what D and E think.

[JerryChesterson]

If called and seconded it doesn't matter what D and E think.

That is rather odd. So B and C are in cohoots and can call a fould on every person on every throw regardless of what the rest of the group thinks. That doesn't seem fair.

[MCOP]

I hate jump putting in general because about 50% of the time it is illegal, Even if you watch the pro's a lot of it is timed off. It's just way to hard to catch it and get a second if it isn't slow motioned and watched several times.

Also, don't have confrontations on the course, if there is an issue where you would have one, send for the TD right away.

[krazyeye]

That is rather odd. So B and C are in cohoots and can call a fould on every person on every throw regardless of what the rest of the group thinks. That doesn't seem fair.

If collussion is suspected you absolutely need to get the TD involved.

[JerryChesterson]

If collussion is suspected you absolutely need to get the TD involved.

Just to be sure noone misinterprets this ... there was no collusion at the event I was speaking of ... jsut didn't know what the rule is on that one.

What if the disc is release at the same time as the foot leaves the ground?

[rosendin20]

krazyeye how can you call him out you wernt even there and have you even seen him putt. i have watched a bunch of videos on jump putting and it almost impossible to tell if the foot leaves the ground.

jerry i have a friend that jump putts the same way you explained. it is weird but legal. jump putts are never going to be black and white unless the pdga introduces slo-mo replay not much can be said.

[krazyeye]

krazyeye how can you call him out you wernt even there and have you even seen him putt. i have watched a bunch of videos on jump putting and it almost impossible to tell if the foot leaves the ground.

jerry i have a friend that jump putts the same way you explained. it is weird but legal. jump putts are never going to be black and white unless the pdga introduces slo-mo replay not much can be said.

1. I did not call him out we are discussing.
2. I was there.
3. I have seen him putt I was on the card behind him in doubles on Friday he gets it about 75% just like most people I have seen jump putt.
4. I agree that Jump putts are legal when done correctly.
5. Still if two people call a stance violation as in the five person hypothetical card Scott discribed you are SOL.

[abee1010]

I hate jump putting in general because about 50% of the time it is illegal,

That is an incorrect statement, usually made by those who do not jump putt. There is another thread where it is discussed that leaving the ground before releasing leads to a very inaccurate putt, try it. A player that is GOOD at jump putting isn't going to putt illegally...

[JerryChesterson]

This isn't the first tourney where its been brought up (but it was ruled legal before). As such I've just started working on my standing puts up to like 60 feet. Suprisingly in just a few days of practicing I've improved.

I wonder if jumping actually hurts your accuracy. Kind of like a hitter in baseball. Ever notice how quite a good hitter like Pujols is. He thinks that movement hurts your swing because it hurts your muscle memory. I wonder if the same is true in disc golf. If the actions assosiated with jumping actually distracts you from making a putt on a good line.

Also CrazyEye ... worry we took so long in doubles. It was the other guys who took so long ... I swear

[krazyeye]

I know who was slowing down the card. We could get all four drives off before that one person drove. It was so painful to watch. I could not have been in your shoes. I would have lost my mind.

[rosendin20]

sorry krazyeye i miss understood.

[abee1010]

I wonder if jumping actually hurts your accuracy.

You can make the argument both ways depending on how you look at it...

Position A) Jumping hinders accuracy from 35ft+
Supporting argument A) Jumping introduces another variable into the putitng equation. If I eliminate the variable of leg thrust, then I can focus on only varying my arm strength and will be more accurate.

Position B) Jumping improves accuracy from 35ft+
Supporting argument B) The more arm strength I put into putting, the less accurate I am. Using additional strength from my legs, I can putt from further with less arm strength.

Personally, I am a believer in position B. I am less accurate the harder I throw the putt. Jump putting allows me to make 40fters with the same arm strength as 20fts, and my percentages jumping the 40fters are almost as good as my percentages for the non-jumping 20fters. It is just those **** standstill 32fters I need to master!!!

[JerryChesterson]

I know who was slowing down the card. We could get all four drives off before that one person drove. It was so painful to watch. I could not have been in your shoes. I would have lost my mind.

Did you see our doubles score? They indicated the sturggles we had. Of those tow we where playing with where making unbelievable putts. Must have hit 5 from outside of 60 feet. Meanwhile we could cash in on the 25 footers.

[bruce_brakel]

That is an incorrect statement, usually made by those who do not jump putt. There is another thread where it is discussed that leaving the ground before releasing leads to a very inaccurate putt, try it. A player that is GOOD at jump putting isn't going to putt illegally...

That's what jump putters always say. My brother Jon got some good footage of illegal jump putts at the last tournament he was at.

There is no reason why having your feet off the ground is going to make your shot less accurate. What makes the shot accurate is the bodily momentum towards the basket being transfered to the disc.

[krazyeye]

Did you see our doubles score? They indicated the sturggles we had. Of those tow we where playing with where making unbelievable putts. Must have hit 5 from outside of 60 feet. Meanwhile we could cash in on the 25 footers.

They had 11 birdies and tied my team (-5). We had seven birdies. We only took fours on the two longest holes. My partner and I did not put well.

[MichaelWebster]

for me its not about accuracy really, it becomes difficult to loft putt from 40 out for me. from there i use a jump putt, better to have a run at it than none at all. also i think the jump putt while the foot is down rule is more important for rule benders. being 1 inch off the ground isnt that big a deal, but some people could run and jump from 35 and get to 10 ft out before letting go if the grounded foot rule wasnt in place. like a long jump with a 10 footer at the end. making that illegal is more in the spirit of the game, i think.

[baldguy]

there's something to be said for drawing the line at "foot on the ground" though. True, the players you described aren't the problem, but then again neither are those drivers whose two-year old car's state inspection just ran out. They still get a ticket, though... We have to define rules and stick to them. This is just one of the hardest rules to call.

My personal feeling is that jump putting shouldn't be allowed at all until I figure out how to make it work for me

[JerryChesterson]

Another question. Is the rule that you have to be in contact with the ground behind your mark, or just behind it? If it is just behind it then a jump putter could feasible just jump putt from a few inches behind the mark to be saef while still being within the standard mark area.

[krazyeye]

You must have a part of you body in contact with the playing surface within 11 cm of your lie, and that is straight back from the center.

[JerryChesterson]

Gotcha.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm sure you meant 30 cm, correct?

[paerley]

I'm sure you meant 30 cm, correct?

I thought it was 300mm

[ChrisWoj]

12 inches.

[krazyeye]

I'm sure you meant 30 cm, correct?

Yes, yes sorry I have no clue where I pulled 11 from.

[rizbee]

That's what jump putters always say. My brother Jon got some good footage of illegal jump putts at the last tournament he was at.

There is no reason why having your feet off the ground is going to make your shot less accurate. What makes the shot accurate is the bodily momentum towards the basket being transfered to the disc.

If being off the ground makes shots less accurate, I have increased respect for the NBAers who make jump shots so well.