Destroyer

[Furthur]

I just hope the next disc out is the Millennium Falcon (crossing fingers)

Peace
Scott

If a disc with that name is released, I'll give Lucas Inc. less than a week to issue a cease and desist.

[ChrisWoj]

I dunno... if Millenium discs releases a Falcon, and never in their own material uses the words back-to-back (the Falcon by Millenium, the Millenium Discs Falcon, etc.) then they might be able to get away with it, and everyone else could just call it the Millenium Falcon.

Same thing goes with these new Innova Discs. As long as Innova isn't using the words next to each other... they should be okay. I wonder if they'll use their usual stamping system with the star plastic, word Star right above Destroyer. Could be room for some cease and desist there, MAYBE.

I remember they were going to release a Hobbit, but couldn't. Didn't that become the Goblin?

[dgdave]

the hobbit became the skeeter

[boredatwork]

the ones i got all have the so cal mini stamp and came with the certificate thingy saying that they're 1 of 162. i guess that could have been a crock of poopy, but i'm gonna go with.... you're wrong.

Well I must apologize in that case. I got a few with the Masters stamp... I wonder why they didn't come with any certificates

[boredatwork]

In reply to my previous post, I sent an email to Mark at DGV and here is the rundown of the champ. run of destroyers:

Sorry for any confusion. Here is the rundown on the Destroyer. 354 total Champion Destroyers were produced over a 2 day period when the mold was first being test run. The first 160 made were stamped and "pre-released" for the US Masters event. They were not part of the official Innova CFR program so no CFR forms were offered for those. The second set of 162 Champion Destroyers were stamped for the So-Cal Championships and were offered with the CFR forms. There were 32 stamped with the Japan Open 2008 Kabuki logo and those were taken to Worlds to be sold at the flymart. The rest of the production has been in Star material. So far only the So-Cal Wrightwood event and the proto Star stamp have been printed on these.

[Boneman]

Good info ... but another question. Are they all from the first run then? Or were their 160 1st run, 162 second run (I know, it's a silly question) ...
I will guess that all the champions from the first run will be considered "1st run" even if they did/didn't include a CFR form. Right?

[dgdave]

the way I took it was that they are all 1st funs, but the Master's stamp were released earlier making them a pre release and the SoCal were a CFR.

maybe?

[readysetstab]

they were made one after another as part of the same run, so the discs are no different no matter what they're called. they have a different stamp. thats it. the discs themselves are no different other than colors.

[boredatwork]

Same run of plastic. Different release. 160 pre-release with US Masters stamp. 162 CFR with So-Cal stamp, plus the other 32 for Japan

In other words, dgdave, you are correct
retard for brains - I'm guessing you must have gotten all CFR discs

[readysetstab]

so what makes them different, exactly? someone said "hey, lets CALL these one thing and these another." yup, that matters.

[boredatwork]

Um, the stamp makes them different? The pre-release also sold out first. The CFR were sold secondly.
I have a question though... the pre-release were $25 each, how much did the CFR cost?

[dgdave]

I think it will make a difference to hard core collectors and maybe the price on ebay

[readysetstab]

look man... whether they were called pre-release or not, they were released prior to the production run releases (first run), so they're pre-releases. how is that hard to understand? I'm not saying thats what they were "labeled," i'm saying thats what they freaking are. by definition, if something is released early, before the others, it's pre-released. anyone following? if they didn't want people to call them pre-releases then they should have waited to sell them until the first runs were out.

the fact is, the discs were all part of one run, stamped at the same time, and then sold a day or two seperately. i'm sure one was only sold before the other because they needed to keep the money raised from each seperate. seems only natural that the masters discs would be sold first just because of what they are... more popular stamps. and of course the masters stamp disc was sold for more, no one that isn't from cali gives a crap about supporting so cal. not saying no one would support disc golf in other areas, but obviously they would rather buy a local CFR before a so cal CFR. they just want the disc. how could they sell both stamps for the same price knowing that? just a silly question...

and no, i have both discs (i didn't see that you wrote that when i last replied). i just think it's dumb to say that one is more valuble than another based on what someone decided to call them. if the masters stamps end up being worth more, it's probably because of the stamp. perhaps i'm wrong, but we'll never know. i'd just like to assume that everyone isn't as dumb as you'd like them to be (for the purpose of making money). i'm sure just about everyone will know that the discs were made together.

[20460chase]

It is dumb, but it is what it is.

It doesnt matter. The Champions wont go down in value, that much, but the Star "Protos" will take a big hit. Doesnt matter much to me, I got a box coming and they are getting buried for a year. Im not paying anymore for them than any other Star disc....makes me happy I got outbid on the black one on Ebay for 60$.

As far as people knowing the difference, dont count on it. People are still under the impression the proto Gators were made at a different time than the factory stamped versions.

[Thunder3434]

You want to see how dumb people are look at ebay right now.


PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
First custom stamped Star Destroyer - 168 gram -$36.00

PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
First custom stamped Star Destroyer - 170 gram -$33.00



PRE-RELEASE Innova Champion DESTROYER Golf Disc
One of the most pronounced color swirls -$154.50

PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
$154.50

[tacimala]

It's the same person bidding them all up high and buying them off. Guy has literally spent thousands already buying Destroyers.

[Thunder3434]

People like that make us low budget guys sick.
I looked and the same guy bought ten of them for a grand total of $1200/10 thats $120 a disc. So for those of you that wanted one look on ebay and do not rebuy them for the guy that leads most of the auctions.

[boredatwork]

Maybe more likely is that he just wants to increase the perceived value of those discs by bidding up his own auctions

[20460chase]

Maybe more likely is that he just wants to increase the perceived value of those discs by bidding up his own auctions

Probably. Much like the guy that buys almost all the Champion Whippet-X 's, hes trying to create the market price. He will be able to for the most part, depending on how many people out there will still want these when everyone else gets them.

More and more people are starting to wise up on disc collecting. Its tough to hate on people willing to spend 10x what someone else is for a disc that will become public in a week.

And....its not like this isnt going to help Innova make a killing on these things. Most of the people that sell discs and watch Ebay are probably chomping at the bit to get thiers in the mail and online. In a week, there will be 100+ of these Star proto versions on Ebay and they will start leveling off to around 15-25 bucks. Color swirls and oddities will still attract good money, but again, it will turn out like the Teerex.

I dont think the Champions will fall off that drastically, as most people put the value of a disc at its finishing price. Much like the '01 Red Roc , which now carries a value of roughly 1200-1500$. If the same guy buys enough of them and STARTS them at 125.00, he can just sit back and wait for people to pay that for them....which they will.

[gokayaksteven]

idiotic. these are the same discs that are already available in star, and will be available soon in champ for 15$. they will be normal production discs, available by the thousands. no mold or plastic differences.

[Boneman]

This kind of ebay activity makes me wonder if this is a scam. I wouldn't put it past people to network and bid up discs they think they can sucker people into playing more for. Paying so much for a new disc just doesn't make sense, especially when they are available to purchase for so much less. If someone is buying for a collection, wouldn't they KNOW that the discs can be purchased for much, much less? I just don't buy it that someone is so stupid to pay those prices for these discs.

[Thunder3434]

I thought the same thing until I looked at who the guy had bought his disc from discgolfvalve. I know them to be standup people.

There has to be some sort of shill bidding going on here, certain selelrs are getting higher prices than others! Check Ramtroll for example.

[ChrisWoj]

Wow. Effortless. I usually need to release my 175 Star Wraith on a hyzer and snap it up level to get 410+. With the 175 Star Destroyer I just got? I simply threw it on a hyzer and got a sweeping 400+ feet out of it. I even elevated it a little, usually I need to keep it 5-10 off the ground.

But I do agree with the people stating that anything wider will be too much. This is the absolute limit in terms of my fingers getting around the rim. If it were any wider I'd have some grip issues.

But the disc's flight? It is so fast, and flies so far. I love it.

[boredatwork]

Awesome. Yeah it's an exciting disc and I think a lot of players are going to enjoy throwing it.

So I've continued throwing my 169 gram champ destroyer and letting everyone at the course have some fun experimenting with it. It has now passed the "new" phase and is broken in somewhat. The less dense (more rubbery feeling) champion plastic is holding up amazingly well. Skips off of concrete result in an abrasion instead of little chits of plastic so it has stayed smooth in the hand.

The flight is now much more rounded so that it will turn over slightly out of the hand when thrown hard and then it tends to hold that line and angle very well until eventually fading out hard when it slows down. With the right height it will hold great anhyzer lines as well while coming out predictably at the end.

Every player that has thrown it, that has decent distance already (maybe 350' with a TeeBird), has been able to achieve new distances with this disc. It does take some getting used to and usually several throws to get the angles just right because it's so nose angle sensitive. The lower power players aren't able to get the same distance benefits but most everyone has, with less effort, attained new personal distance records

[TaylorLipo]

I just got a Star first-run destroyer and it was love at first throw. I normally throw my Star TeeRex-X about 450. Once I started getting used to the Destroyer I was gettin close to pushin 500. I think a couple throws I got 500 feet. This disc is truly a 12 speed disc. When you release it and then look for where it is in the air, its way further along than you think, every time. I love how it stays straight for so long and fades hard at the end. This disc very well may replace my TeeRex-X. I've heard a lot of people say that this is just a faster TeeREx, but I think its more like a faster TeeRex-X. What a great disc. If you're a big thrower who loves long distance hyzer shots, this is a MUST have...

[readysetstab]

EBAY!!!!

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[kwibby1]

Sorry fella i never in my life was involved in any shill tactics. i was as shocked as anyone that these were going for so much. as far as olow123 goes ??? he is still bidding up these destroyers. I bought 10 of these from dgv i sold 6 on ebay as you well know, i keep 2 for myself and sold 2 just yesterday to our local pro and who did most of the work for pro am worlds Mark peterson for 25.00(what i paid for it) and a 07 usdgc rancho classic roc. olow has a pdga number at like 2500 (i looked him up as I was curious who he was) so the guy is old and rich i quess. So feel free to bid on my discs i'm legit as it gets

[magilla]

Sorry fella i never in my life was involved in any shill tactics. i was as shocked as anyone that these were going for so much. as far as olow123 goes ??? he is still bidding up these destroyers. I bought 10 of these from dgv i sold 6 on ebay as you well know, i keep 2 for myself and sold 2 just yesterday to our local pro and who did most of the work for pro am worlds Mark peterson for 25.00(what i paid for it) and a 07 usdgc rancho classic roc. olow has a pdga number at like 2500 (i looked him up as I was curious who he was) so the guy is old and rich i quess. So feel free to bid on my discs i'm legit as it gets

Sounds like Donny Olow from San Diego...........

Hes a REAL good friend of Rhetts [img]/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

And YES he does have a bit of cash....

He must have REALLY wanted them.....

Ill have my Star ones next week..

[kwibby1]

yup thats who it is Donny Olow .... i like him