Ask Chuck Kennedy - Page 59

cgkdisc · Jul 24 2009, 06:05 PM

Hoping to post PDGA World Ranking updates tomorrow.

brock · Jul 24 2009, 07:35 PM

2+5, did he finish the hole bruce?

saw a dude in mass empty his whole bag, one by one (10 i think) into the drink on
a (supposed) simple hyzer 3/4 island hole.

he couldn't retrieve them, so somebody loaned him a disc, he made it on the first shot!!

i'll bet there's more dishonorable records than honorable.... just a hunch.

bruce_brakel · Jul 24 2009, 09:30 PM

You have to lose at least one disc and break at least one bone to be eligible for the record.

Yeah, he finished the hole. He lost all the discs off the tee. He was quite certain he could reach the basket throwing an anhyzer over the river, so certain that after he lost his driver he borrowed four of mine. And lost those too. The river was deep and fast, besides. The discs were not merely o.b. but lost. They were all Phantom Deuces back when the Phantom Deuce was a driver. So when he was lying 12 next to the basket I asked him to backstop my birdie putt, to which he replied, "I'm lying, um, um, um, 12?!?!, and you want me to backstop your birdie putt?" And I say, "Well, you just lost all the discs I just bought yesterday so, yeah, you could backstop my putt." The putt lips off a nub and is rolling kind of parallel to the river. He is trotting beside it and does not see this drop off in the weeds at the edge of the green. He went down hard. By the time we got to the next hole he was starting to get shocky and he realized his wrist was seriously bad.

He had driven 300 miles for a four or five day weekend of frisbee golf and he broke his throwing arm in two places on like hole 10 of round 1. Whatever hole that was at Riverbends back then. On top of all that, he could not go home right away because his car was a stick shift!

healage · Jul 30 2009, 02:31 PM

Hey Chuck,

In a recent tournament, in the first round everyone played from the short tees; in the second round Am2 and lower played shorts again (exact same layout) while the Pros and Am1 played the long tees. In round 1, a 54 was rated 980 while in round 2 it was rated 995. Is there any reason the SSA was not averaged for the two rounds? IIRC there was not a significant change in the weather from R1 to R2.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ratings=1#Open

Thanks

johnbiscoe · Jul 30 2009, 03:40 PM

i don't think they get averaged until the official ratings are processed.

cgkdisc · Jul 30 2009, 09:49 PM

The unofficial software TDs use for posting isn't programmed to combine scores on the same layout in different rounds the way we do for official ratings (like John posted).

healage · Jul 31 2009, 08:42 AM

Those are the official results, I believe. The ratings were counted in my last update.

cgkdisc · Jul 31 2009, 08:51 AM

If the SSA is more than 1.4 different between rounds on the same layout, then that's considered enough difference in conditions that they do not get averaged. Looks like that event was right on that boundary if you look at the course stats.

J A B · Aug 02 2009, 05:07 PM

Chuck,

A question about the ratings from Worlds.

As the different pools, play different courses; P-Swope, Q-Cliff Drive, round one. Are the ratings that populate on the results page close? If not will they be sorted by results from like courses... just curious, my first round (70) collapse was mostly nerves and rain, but I was wondering how it compares to the rest of the MM1 field.

Thank you for your consideration.

cgkdisc · Aug 02 2009, 10:02 PM

The normal procedure is to combine all am and pro scores at Worlds on the same course so everyone will eventually get the same official rating Sep 1 for the same score on the same course. The only question that might be discussed is whether the conditions on Tuesday at any course means it should be rated separately from the other days. But that will be checked mathematically in addition to TD perception.

the_kid · Aug 03 2009, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

The normal procedure is to combine all am and pro scores at Worlds on the same course so everyone will eventually get the same official rating Sep 1 for the same score on the same course. The only question that might be discussed is whether the conditions on Tuesday at any course means it should be rated separately from the other days. But that will be checked mathematically in addition to TD perception.

Tuesday wasn't the only day that played differently! Conditions were just as tough on some of the courses due to slick teepads which took players like Coda out of the game.

Combining the scores from separate rounds when there are this many props seems unnecessary as you have 72 in each pool.

cgkdisc · Aug 03 2009, 12:17 AM

We always calculate the rounds separately. If they are within 1.5 SSA, then they get combined. If more than 1.5, they are rated separately if there are enough props. Not everyone at Worlds is a prop BTW.

keithjohnson · Aug 03 2009, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

The normal procedure is to combine all am and pro scores at Worlds on the same course so everyone will eventually get the same official rating Sep 1 for the same score on the same course. The only question that might be discussed is whether the conditions on Tuesday at any course means it should be rated separately from the other days. But that will be checked mathematically in addition to TD perception.

As a TD - I can emphatically say IT WAS DIFFERENT Tuesday and needs to be rated separately!

poisonelf · Aug 10 2009, 04:13 PM

I was wondering why FINALS rounds are not included in the unofficial results?

cgkdisc · Aug 10 2009, 04:36 PM

Semifinals and Finals unofficial ratings aren't calculated in the online program. No rounds less than 13 holes are calculated officially. Semifinal rounds of 18 holes such as Worlds will get official ratings when the event is processed.

eclipseram · Aug 11 2009, 02:27 PM

Hi Chuck, not sure if you would know the answer or not but I played in this (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...rnID=8699#Open) tournament earlier this year. There aren't any points showing for anybody on the results page yet and I was wondering if you might know why?

Thanks.

cgkdisc · Aug 11 2009, 08:15 PM

Points are generated by the PDGA staff. Please send them a note with this event link at: tourmgr@pdga.com

aixsponsa · Aug 13 2009, 06:48 PM

My first round at worlds was played on the same course with some friends of mine at the same time, we all shot the same score, but their rating for that round is 10 points higher...just curious how that would work out. Thanks.

cgkdisc · Aug 13 2009, 07:05 PM

The unofficial ratings for the courses in the early rounds reflect what pool you were in at the end of Worlds. The unofficial software hasn't been programmed to retain the proper ratings before the shuffle. However, the official ratings process will handle those pre-shuffle round ratings properly.

Flash_25296 · Aug 13 2009, 08:37 PM

Chuck can you point me in the direction of where the schedule of player ratings updates is posted?

I am wondering when the next 4 ratings are for instance?

cgkdisc · Aug 13 2009, 08:45 PM

It's in the Ratings FAQ:
http://www.pdga.com/faq#278n755

Only the months are provided in advance in this document (end of first paragraph) updated each year:
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/RatingsGuide.pdf
Next one is officially due Sep 1 but there's a good chance it will be posted Aug 31 as we have been doing.

krupicka · Aug 14 2009, 08:02 AM

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cholly · Aug 14 2009, 02:56 PM

Chuck, I have a question.

What is the question that you have been asked more than any other question? (about disc golf)

Scott Rief

cgkdisc · Aug 14 2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

What is the question that you have been asked more than any other question? (about disc golf)

"What's my score?" on a hole during a round.

On here probably "When is the next ratings update?" or
"Why did someone get a different rating for the same score on the same course?"

cholly · Aug 14 2009, 04:06 PM

thanks for all of your hard work and patience

cgkdisc · Aug 14 2009, 04:12 PM

Say, are you coming to the Super Class Nationals along with Greenwell and anyone else from your area? Or are you staying home to get ready for your A-tier?

cholly · Aug 14 2009, 05:41 PM

staying home. Martin Young might go to the superclass.

drmontei · Aug 18 2009, 08:10 AM

Chuck,
Does the pdga contact TD's about tournament results not being submitted in a timely manner? If a tournament happened a couple of months ago, and the scores were not submitted for the last update, does the pdga contact them about getting the results in for the current update?
Thanks

cgkdisc · Aug 18 2009, 08:19 AM

Yes, to the best of my knowledge there's a regular procedure at the PDGA office to contact and follow up to get tournament reports once the 30-day deadline after the event is passed. However, local players in the event contacting their TD to get the report submitted can sometimes be more effective.

drmontei · Aug 18 2009, 09:12 AM

Just wondering if the points bonanza were entered in time for this update. Thanks for all you do Chuck.

Jul 24 2009, 06:05 PM	#1741
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	Hoping to post PDGA World Ranking updates tomorrow. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Jul 24 2009, 07:35 PM	#1742
brock PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	2+5, did he finish the hole bruce? saw a dude in mass empty his whole bag, one by one (10 i think) into the drink on a (supposed) simple hyzer 3/4 island hole. he couldn't retrieve them, so somebody loaned him a disc, he made it on the first shot!! i'll bet there's more dishonorable records than honorable.... just a hunch. Last edited by brock; Jul 24 2009 at 07:37 PM. Reason: sorry chuck

Jul 24 2009, 09:30 PM	#1743
bruce_brakel PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dying More Discs Posts: 5,571	You have to lose at least one disc and break at least one bone to be eligible for the record. Yeah, he finished the hole. He lost all the discs off the tee. He was quite certain he could reach the basket throwing an anhyzer over the river, so certain that after he lost his driver he borrowed four of mine. And lost those too. The river was deep and fast, besides. The discs were not merely o.b. but lost. They were all Phantom Deuces back when the Phantom Deuce was a driver. So when he was lying 12 next to the basket I asked him to backstop my birdie putt, to which he replied, "I'm lying, um, um, um, 12?!?!, and you want me to backstop your birdie putt?" And I say, "Well, you just lost all the discs I just bought yesterday so, yeah, you could backstop my putt." The putt lips off a nub and is rolling kind of parallel to the river. He is trotting beside it and does not see this drop off in the weeds at the edge of the green. He went down hard. By the time we got to the next hole he was starting to get shocky and he realized his wrist was seriously bad. He had driven 300 miles for a four or five day weekend of frisbee golf and he broke his throwing arm in two places on like hole 10 of round 1. Whatever hole that was at Riverbends back then. On top of all that, he could not go home right away because his car was a stick shift! __________________ Circuit court staff attorney - 25 years. My judge must retire. Looking for employment.

Jul 30 2009, 09:49 PM	#1746
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	The unofficial software TDs use for posting isn't programmed to combine scores on the same layout in different rounds the way we do for official ratings (like John posted). __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Jul 31 2009, 08:51 AM	#1748
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	If the SSA is more than 1.4 different between rounds on the same layout, then that's considered enough difference in conditions that they do not get averaged. Looks like that event was right on that boundary if you look at the course stats. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Jul 30 2009, 02:31 PM	#1744
healage Community Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 24	Hey Chuck, In a recent tournament, in the first round everyone played from the short tees; in the second round Am2 and lower played shorts again (exact same layout) while the Pros and Am1 played the long tees. In round 1, a 54 was rated 980 while in round 2 it was rated 995. Is there any reason the SSA was not averaged for the two rounds? IIRC there was not a significant change in the weather from R1 to R2. http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ratings=1#Open Thanks

Jul 30 2009, 03:40 PM	#1745
johnbiscoe PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Disc Golf Capital of Virginia Posts: 2,709	i don't think they get averaged until the official ratings are processed.

Jul 31 2009, 08:42 AM	#1747
healage Community Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 24	Those are the official results, I believe. The ratings were counted in my last update.

Aug 02 2009, 05:07 PM	#1749
J A B PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, TX. Posts: 344	Chuck, A question about the ratings from Worlds. As the different pools, play different courses; P-Swope, Q-Cliff Drive, round one. Are the ratings that populate on the results page close? If not will they be sorted by results from like courses... just curious, my first round (70) collapse was mostly nerves and rain, but I was wondering how it compares to the rest of the MM1 field. Thank you for your consideration.

Aug 02 2009, 10:02 PM	#1750
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	The normal procedure is to combine all am and pro scores at Worlds on the same course so everyone will eventually get the same official rating Sep 1 for the same score on the same course. The only question that might be discussed is whether the conditions on Tuesday at any course means it should be rated separately from the other days. But that will be checked mathematically in addition to TD perception. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 03 2009, 12:17 AM	#1752
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	We always calculate the rounds separately. If they are within 1.5 SSA, then they get combined. If more than 1.5, they are rated separately if there are enough props. Not everyone at Worlds is a prop BTW. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 10 2009, 04:13 PM	#1754
poisonelf PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 281	I was wondering why FINALS rounds are not included in the unofficial results?

Aug 10 2009, 04:36 PM	#1755
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	Semifinals and Finals unofficial ratings aren't calculated in the online program. No rounds less than 13 holes are calculated officially. Semifinal rounds of 18 holes such as Worlds will get official ratings when the event is processed. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 11 2009, 02:27 PM	#1756
eclipseram Community Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 78	Hi Chuck, not sure if you would know the answer or not but I played in this (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...rnID=8699#Open) tournament earlier this year. There aren't any points showing for anybody on the results page yet and I was wondering if you might know why? Thanks. __________________ http://www.elkcreekdgc.info/

Aug 11 2009, 08:15 PM	#1757
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	Points are generated by the PDGA staff. Please send them a note with this event link at: tourmgr@pdga.com __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 13 2009, 06:48 PM	#1758
aixsponsa PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Victoria,Texas Posts: 105	My first round at worlds was played on the same course with some friends of mine at the same time, we all shot the same score, but their rating for that round is 10 points higher...just curious how that would work out. Thanks.

Aug 13 2009, 07:05 PM	#1759
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	The unofficial ratings for the courses in the early rounds reflect what pool you were in at the end of Worlds. The unofficial software hasn't been programmed to retain the proper ratings before the shuffle. However, the official ratings process will handle those pre-shuffle round ratings properly. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 13 2009, 08:37 PM	#1760
Flash_25296 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PNW Posts: 298	Chuck can you point me in the direction of where the schedule of player ratings updates is posted? I am wondering when the next 4 ratings are for instance? __________________ Stumptown Disc Golf Member

Aug 13 2009, 08:45 PM	#1761
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	It's in the Ratings FAQ: http://www.pdga.com/faq#278n755 Only the months are provided in advance in this document (end of first paragraph) updated each year: http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/RatingsGuide.pdf Next one is officially due Sep 1 but there's a good chance it will be posted Aug 31 as we have been doing. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 14 2009, 08:02 AM	#1762
krupicka PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 1,423	...

Aug 14 2009, 02:56 PM	#1763
cholly PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 61	Chuck, I have a question. What is the question that you have been asked more than any other question? (about disc golf) Scott Rief

Aug 14 2009, 04:06 PM	#1765
cholly PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 61	thanks for all of your hard work and patience

Aug 14 2009, 04:12 PM	#1766
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	Say, are you coming to the Super Class Nationals along with Greenwell and anyone else from your area? Or are you staying home to get ready for your A-tier? __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 14 2009, 05:41 PM	#1767
cholly PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 61	staying home. Martin Young might go to the superclass.

Aug 18 2009, 08:10 AM	#1768
drmontei PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Disc Golf Paradise Posts: 239	Chuck, Does the pdga contact TD's about tournament results not being submitted in a timely manner? If a tournament happened a couple of months ago, and the scores were not submitted for the last update, does the pdga contact them about getting the results in for the current update? Thanks

Aug 18 2009, 08:19 AM	#1769
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,220	Yes, to the best of my knowledge there's a regular procedure at the PDGA office to contact and follow up to get tournament reports once the 30-day deadline after the event is passed. However, local players in the event contacting their TD to get the report submitted can sometimes be more effective. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

Aug 18 2009, 09:12 AM	#1770
drmontei PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Disc Golf Paradise Posts: 239	Just wondering if the points bonanza were entered in time for this update. Thanks for all you do Chuck.

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