Ask Chuck Kennedy

[gang4010]

No one posting here is the core target market for Super Class other than TDs looking to expand their player base. But then Bruce is one of the few who offers MA4.

OK, so what sort of outreach is in the plan for getting the target audience (the ultimate crossovers) out to the golf course?
This idea would have more teeth if there were a structure in place for what sorts of competitions could be sanctioned on what types of courses. If all the pitch and putts with really low SSA were only allowed to sanction events using a class of disc that was more appropriate to the challenge presented by the course - you might get TD's to try it more readily. If you leave it all up to choice - well I think it's been proven what you get.

[johnbiscoe]

If you leave it all up to choice - well I think it's been proven what you get.

a free market where the customer decides for himself whether or not a given event or format provides value for their individual wants/needs?

[gang4010]

a free market where the customer decides for himself whether or not a given event or format provides value for their individual wants/needs?

I was thinking more along the lines of the herd mentality - people generally do what everyone around them is doing - with only minor variations. How many team events, matchplay, 150 class, vintage class events are out there being sanctioned? All together would you say it is a double digit percentage of all events being offered? I'd say not even 1%.

All I'm saying is that if you want to promote alternative formats and expect people to offer them as sanctioned - it's already been proven that just "offering" it as an alternative shouldn't be expected to get much response.
Build the alternative formats into a structure of total # of events available for sanctioning - and it might be a different story. But of course that would mean imposing standards and limits on people and we all know how that flies in this organization.

[cwphish]

Bring Back Pro-2!

[ninafofitre]

I will have to give Chuck some MAJOR PROPS!

He gets alot of grief from disc golfers around the country from every angle and Chuck rarely gets upset. He takes all the criticism awesome and I wish I could handle it as well as Chuck does.

[cgkdisc]

When you're so lonely sitting behind this computer, all alone day after day, any attention is good attention...

[bobsted]

50M Dash is a track event. Held at Indoor Meets, where the 100M would have to include a curve.

To be accurate the 50M Dash is not an indoor event. Sprinters usually race 60M or occasionally 55M, but never 50M. Sorry, if this is a thread drift, but I find it funny when people try to correct other people when they themselves are incorrect.

[crgadyk]

We had the 55 during indoor season in college.

[Karma Police]

Hey Chuck,
I noticed that the results for the Glass Nickel Pizza Company Mad City Open are finalized. The 3rd round however is listed as 'finals' instead of 3rd round. Will it still get rated or does it need to be changed? I know a lot of the time final rounds do not get rated but they are usually less than 18 holes.

[cgkdisc]

It should get rated since, unlike the unofficial online process, the official ratings process only pays attention to whether the round had at least 13 holes played.

[Karma Police]

Thanks!

[maikyle]

do you get more points for the hgiher division? or do you get more points for the better you do regardless of division? i guess what i am saying is that you can finish 29 out of 60 and get 129 pts in rec, and finish 55 of 62 and get 60 pts in advanced. thanks for the help

[ChrisWoj]

To be accurate the 50M Dash is not an indoor event. Sprinters usually race 60M or occasionally 55M, but never 50M. Sorry, if this is a thread drift, but I find it funny when people try to correct other people when they themselves are incorrect.

Typo. 55M is what is run. 60M is incredibly rare. So to "correctly correct" me you'd have to reverse that statement, the 60M is the "occasionally" and the 55M is the "usually." Sorry if this is thread drift, but I find it funny when people try to correct other people when they themselves are incorrect.

[crgadyk]

We had the 55m indoors in college. I've only seen the 60m once and it was at a huge meet at the U of Cincinnati.

[bobsted]

This such a stupid topic to argue over, but I will add another post to this useless thread drift. Wikipedia has 60M as the more common and 55M as the less common. Other than that I don't have much to go on. I haven't run indoors in 10 years and I rarely ran anything shorter than the 1500.

[JWI]

And if you trust Wikipedia, I have a bridge for sale.

[cgkdisc]

Going back to my original post, I indicated that track could add a 50m race to their Olympics competition. No mention was ever made of indoor competition until the thread hijackers jumped in

[ChrisWoj]

This such a stupid topic to argue over, but I will add another post to this useless thread drift. Wikipedia has 60M as the more common and 55M as the less common. Other than that I don't have much to go on. I haven't run indoors in 10 years and I rarely ran anything shorter than the 1500.

True, I should concede I don't have personal experience to go on. 10,000M runners don't tend to run indoor meets

[stack]

We're running the first Super Class test event here in Minnesota on Sept 6th.

hey everyone... i've got an idea for a new tournament format called 'wicked super cool class' format and i'll tell everyone about it in a document i'll make public next year... but in the meantime i'm running a tournament next weekend using this new format that you dont know much about yet... wanna play?!



i like polish's comment about divisional divisions! on that note i guess i'll be trying for the 2018 advanced masters super class thumber division with last names starting between R-Z world champion ... can't wait!!!!

[cgkdisc]

You're just jealous 'cause you don't yet know what the cool kids are doing in Minnesota.

[stack]

you got me!

seriously though... to run an event but not have the rules/standards fully known before hand seems odd

[cgkdisc]

Everyone here knows what's going on thru our 500-member MFA online Yahoo group, so does the Course Designers group and the PDGA Competition group. Since it's a test event, that seems like it's enough for now until the details are worked out and submitted for official approval at the Summit.

[gdstour]

I will have to give Chuck some MAJOR PROPS!

He gets alot of grief from disc golfers around the country from every angle and Chuck rarely gets upset. He takes all the criticism awesome and I wish I could handle it as well as Chuck does.

I agree, its good to see someone go against the grain, take the heat for thinking outside the box and maintain composure. There is a real knee jerk reaction that comes from the disc golf community to say no first, then think about it later and change their mids if they can benefit.
I guess thats what you get from a group with a large number of non-conformists/anti-establishments types.

Just think if he and others working so hard to better the PDGA were doing it full time and maybe even getting paid

[superberry]

Chuck, I'm sure it's been asked, but how do I calculate round ratings and SSA of the course if I know the round scores and player ratings of a group of a half dozen guys what played on a given day for league?

[cgkdisc]

No current way available for distribution. You can estimate SSA from the formula 30+(length/285) for average foliage. Members of the DGCD have access to a spreadsheet that calculates SSA from scores and ratings but doesn't directly produce ratings for players although they can then be estimated.

[superberry]

Is there a way I could get such a spreadsheet from you? I'm just intersted in calculating some average numbers for Winter Park. On any given night, we have about a half dozen PDGA players throwing rounds. I'd like to be able to utilize their current ratings and round scores to come up with SSA and soem makeshift ratings that we'll utilize for a handicapping system specific to the park.

Like I said, I'm just interested in some numbers. I'd probably tally up all round scores over a longer time period, rather than true per round ratings. I'd also like to get round ratings, SSA, level of difficulty, scoring distributions, etc for the various layouts and pin placements we are soon to have.

Email me at winterparkdiscgolf@charter.net

[cgkdisc]

Ask one of the DGCD members near you for access to the spreadsheet such as Tom Jenkins, Pat Blake or Randy Schukar, or you are welcome to join the DGCD group.

[seewhere]

chuck how come there is no ratings for the 2008 flying solo open? it says official ? thanks

[johnbiscoe]

when the results go from being unofficial (posted by the td) to being official (posted by the org) the unofficial ratings go away until the next ratings update when the official ratings will come up. happens all the time.

[seewhere]

ok thanks