Ask Chuck Kennedy

[accidentalROLLER]

it never should've happened in the 1st place. would you be complaining if it wasn't included?

[twoputtok]

No I wouldn't. I just get tired of you thinking you represent all of the players. By the way did you ask the TD or just come straight to Chuck about it?

The PDGA makes a lot of mistakes, are going to take the time to point out all of them or only the ones that affect the players you conviently appointed yourself to represent?

[accidentalROLLER]

I am not representing anyone but myself. I merely asked a question, that I had a pre-conceived notion about.
I haven't recieved an answer yet, so I haven't contacted the TD yet. Once I get an answer, I know whether I need to contact the TD or not.

[twoputtok]

Seems to me that should have been where you started.

Nice that you have respect for the TD enough to ask him to check into it. Did you not think he could handle it?

[accidentalROLLER]

Beside the point. Who better to ask about ratings than the guy paid to do ratings? If they weren't supposed to be included, then I'll contact him. If not, no need to contact him.

[twoputtok]

With that mindset you should do well once you enter the real world of business.

[OSTERTIP]

Play nice boys.....

We are only throwing plastic....

[accidentalROLLER]

With that mindset you should do well once you enter the real world of business.

i guess we'll see.

[cgkdisc]

Dave and Karolyn are the gatekeepers on whether an event should be included for ratings. Roger and I just process what we get form them. X-tiers are not included by default and only included if the reason it's an X-tier doesn't have to do with modifying the rules of play. However, I don't think Karolyn realized the default was not include it and it will be removed during our correction update in the next few weeks.

[omarroper]

Hey Chuck
Do you know who is the highest rated Am? Has there ever been a 1000+ rated AM?
Thanks,

[cgkdisc]

Not sure until now. I know I've seen some in the 990s just prior to Am Worlds and they went pro afterwards.

[ChrisWoj]

Hey Chuck
Do you know who is the highest rated Am? Has there ever been a 1000+ rated AM?
Thanks,

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=13425

[reallybadputter]

Of course the Guy has 8 rounds in his rating, 4 in 2008 and 4 in 2006, so he isn't playing many PDGA events...

[OSTERTIP]

Chuck this is off the subject but I added this as a favorite thread... Oh how I wish I had not now, I get 10-15 emails a day letting me know people have added new post. Do you know how to unsubscribe to this thread?

[cgkdisc]

I'm not sure how the Favorite Thread thing works since I haven't used it.

[OSTERTIP]

Thanks anyway Chuck...

[Fossil]

Chuck this is off the subject but I added this as a favorite thread... Oh how I wish I had not now, I get 10-15 emails a day letting me know people have added new post. Do you know how to unsubscribe to this thread?

Go to the bottom of this page and next to Favorite Topic just click Toggle
OR
you can go to My Home and check the box next to the topic you do not want to still be your favorite and click Delete Checked

OR
to just not get emails
Go to
My Home
then at bottom of page
Main Configuration
then Edit the third choice
Subscribe/Unsubscribe
the second choice should be NO


Does that help?

[OSTERTIP]

Pretty close but it did get me where I wanted to be. I do want to get emails about other topics, so I went to:
My Home
Favorite threads (Right side of page)

and checked ask Chuck and deleted as a favorite.... hope it works....

Thanks for the help!

[stack]

couple questions... when figuring the 'most recent 25% of rounds' getting double weighted...
1. If someone has 38 rounds to be calculated then 25% is 9.5... do you then use the most recent 10 or 9? (basically how is rounding done?)
2. I think I may have found a small flaw... when looking at the most recent rated rounds being doubled I would assume the last round of a tourney is more recent than the first right? I think the ratings are done so that the 1st round is seen as more recent than the 3rd which would slightly skew the ratings.
ie.
Date - Tourney - rnd# - rating
1/1 - TourneyA - rnd1 - 1005
1/1 - TourneyA - rnd2 - 965
1/1 - TourneyA - rnd3 - 990
1/1 - TourneyA - rnd4 - 925

if the double weighting dips into 1 round of this tourney then it should use the 925 or last round and I think (according to my math which may be flawed) its dipping into the 1st round. I've done the math for 4 people and if I use the most recent round (starting w/ the last rounds in a tourney) I get a # slightly diff. from their rating. If I use the 1st rounds of the tourney it matches your rating for them

(let me know if you need a little more explanation)

I'm not complaining since it appears to raise my rating ~5 pts and has lowered or raised others I've checked anywhere from 0 to 8pts!

Even though i'm ashamed of my crappy level of play as of late we can use my #s as an example if you want.

[krupicka]

If the double weighting dips into 1 round of a tourney, the highest rated round for that tourney is used.

[stack]

really?!... interesting

still interested in how many rounds get used if the 25% isn't a round # and if the overall rating gets rounded up/down and what the break point is.

it appears to round at the logical .5 goes up... below .5 goes down

also one other question... do you always use 25% or is it possible that a person has so few rounds that you just use the ones they have (like 2 or 3 rounds?) and dont double weight anything?

just looked @ the 'pro' list and picked the first person I saw @ random that is 970 (aka... can't play am anymore) and if you do his rating using the actually last 25% instead of the 25% using the highest rated in the partial tourney ... they go from 970 (currently rated) to 968 (aka... able to play am)

also climo would be 1035 still and feldberg would be 1034 if using recent 25% and not highest for that tourney for the round.

[cgkdisc]

As Krupicka mentioned, highest rated rounds are doubled in an event if fewer than all rounds in it will be doubled.

We use normal rounding so 38 rounds will have 10 doubled.

[janttila]

Hi Chuck! Is there gonna bee any tournaments scheduled at Highbridge Hills Sports Complex this year? There wasn't anything on their website or the PDGA schedule. Thanks! Joe

[cgkdisc]

Not likely. There are unresolved issues left over from Worlds that will keep that from happening, at least this year.

[lefty_anhyzer]

Not likely. There are unresolved issues left over from Worlds that will keep that from happening, at least this year.

Are you at liberty to discuss these unresolved issues? I sure hope the PDGA didn't burn any bridges with the Highbridge folks. It would be a shame if holding Worlds there left John with a bad taste in his mouth.

Hopefully the issues are innocuous and resolvable.

[DCC]

Chuck,

I just noticed I had a round (Big Valley 2007 R2) that is 102 points below my current rating that is still being included. I thought rounds over 100 points below your rating were dropped.

[ChrisWoj]

Chuck,

I just noticed I had a round (Big Valley 2007 R2) that is 102 points below my current rating that is still being included. I thought rounds over 100 points below your rating were dropped.

It has to be 100 points below your rating BEFORE rounds are doubled and dropped. Basically you take the straight-up average, and anything 100 points (or 2.5 standard deviations) below THAT is removed. If you have some particularly hot recent rounds that raise your rating it is possible to have a round over 100 points below your current rating included.

[Hogger]

Chuck,

I have noticed that some people have BG Ams 2007 included in their new rating while others do not. Any idea as to why?

I know that for some it is included so as to reach 8 rated rounds. But what about those with 8+?

I have 8 rounds without BG Ams (and after the correction I'll have 10 rounds.)

Thanks,

Mike

[Hogger]

All Ams.
All from TN.
The only thing I can think of is the number of rated rounds. Those with a lot have BG dropped.

A few examples:

BG 2007 included:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...2158&year=2008

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...8572&year=2008

BG 2007 NOT included:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...5560&year=2008

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...0007&year=2008

[krupicka]

Rounds greater than a year from the last round played are dropped.