Ask Chuck Kennedy - Page 17

jmonny · Aug 25 2007, 06:11 PM

Chuck....ever thought about adding something to Ams Player Info page that noted if they placed or not at their events. Like under the Prize column put a "P" for placed or "C" for cashed. Is that info included in the TD reports? Just curious, it would be cool to see something there since we don't get prize money listed like Pro's. Thanks

ck34 · Aug 25 2007, 06:22 PM

It's been done before when results were submitted to the PDGA manually. But I believe one reason the practice hasn't continued is someone didn't want to encourage "cashing" records for amateurs. The main reason though is that true valuations for Am prizes are usually slippery and I don't believe TDs are required to submit those breakouts in the TD reports. I'm thinking though that the Competition Committee may reconsider this in the next few years as the line between ams and pros continues to blur.

skaZZirf · Aug 26 2007, 05:33 AM

ratings for Msdgc? what would they have been? just curious...look at it as an act of good faith for the future...cmon chuck.

ck34 · Aug 26 2007, 06:27 AM

Maple Hill Elements R2 had a 56 SSA (see PW2006 Lake Olmstead R4 Masters to find scores and see ratings) and Maple Hill Airplanes R4 had a 62.8 SSA (see PW2006 Hippodrome R2 Open). That's all I know.

keithjohnson · Aug 27 2007, 01:11 PM

Quote:

It's been done before when results were submitted to the PDGA manually. But I believe one reason the practice hasn't continued is someone didn't want to encourage "cashing" records for amateurs. The main reason though is that true valuations for Am prizes are usually slippery and I don't believe TDs are required to submit those breakouts in the TD reports. I'm thinking though that the Competition Committee may reconsider this in the next few years as the line between ams and pros continues to blur.

you have to in the report to the pdga,but not for stuff posted online....

i always put the payout for ams and pros in the excel spreadsheet, so it shows up when i upload the scores...it helps when you have a stong payout to the ams so they can see it's an event worth going to next time

...

plus when pros see they could have made 850 for 1st in a 1 day c-tier

, hopefully they wont want to miss the event either

kellerthedog · Aug 27 2007, 04:06 PM

will the results from last weekend's event be included in the update if they are already posted online? what is the cutoff?

ck34 · Aug 27 2007, 04:13 PM

Last events included were weekend of Aug 11-12 if they got their paperwork in.

xterramatt · Aug 27 2007, 04:21 PM

when will we be live, Chucky?

ck34 · Aug 27 2007, 04:26 PM

Apparently there's one final Hooter's issue holding up the posting. I'm guessing Dave will be on schedule with posting it first thing tomorrow morning.

xterramatt · Aug 27 2007, 04:42 PM

Hooters? Sounds like a concentration problem if you ask me.

mbohn · Aug 27 2007, 04:51 PM

An Honest and typical American request:

Just post what you have at this point..... Can't those issues can be resolved later.....We want it now....

ck34 · Aug 27 2007, 04:55 PM

The part I do in the process has been out of my hands since 10 days ago. I'm just the messenger at this point. The new procedure has Roger, Jerry and Dave hammering out the corrections they can find before posting. Dave does the posting when it's ready.

mbohn · Aug 27 2007, 04:59 PM

Just having some fun Chuck. I always get a kick out of how impatient we rating junkies can get. LOL.... Based on my last performance, I would be happy if the entire system blows up and my rating never gets updated again.....

hallp · Aug 27 2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Just having some fun Chuck. I always get a kick out of how impatient we rating junkies can get. LOL.... Based on my last performance, I would be happy if the entire system blows up and my rating never gets updated again.....

i hear that for sure!!!!! I WANT MY RATING!!!!!!! not really lol!!!

mbohn · Aug 27 2007, 05:06 PM

Hey it's me Dave. Open up the door man, I got the ratings done...

Dave?

It's me Dave. Open up the door man, I got the ratings done...

Dave?

Yea man, it's me Dave....

Dave's not here.....

ck34 · Aug 27 2007, 05:17 PM

Here are ratings for people who have posted here recently. Figure out who they go with: 978, 1000, 949, 909, 927, 989

MTL21676 · Aug 27 2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

978

sweet!!

only down 1 with 4 tournaments going in hurt...that's whats up

mbohn · Aug 27 2007, 05:25 PM

909.... Could that really be me?

baldguy · Aug 27 2007, 05:35 PM

Chuck... you're killing me... I haven't posted recently but can I be added to that list?

mbohn · Aug 27 2007, 05:53 PM

Here is a mad guess

989 = Matt
927 = Phillip
909 = Senior
949 = Ryan or Keith
1000 = Sjur
978 = MTL

ck34 · Aug 27 2007, 06:13 PM

You would be second lowest if you made the last list.

cbdiscpimp · Aug 27 2007, 06:41 PM

What about me??? Did I finally go up after 2 drops and a standstill???

ChrisWoj · Aug 27 2007, 06:44 PM

Wild guess... 937. Can't wait for the next update when my injured rounds start getting dropped!

MTL21676 · Aug 27 2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Here is a mad guess

989 = Matt
927 = Phillip
909 = Senior
949 = Ryan or Keith
1000 = Sjur
978 = MTL

yeah thats what I'm thinking.....

xterramatt · Aug 27 2007, 09:20 PM

989... 21 point jump! dang, that'd be sweet.

13 1000 rated rounds (avg) will do that to ya.

stroberger · Aug 28 2007, 10:05 AM

Hey Chuck,

When deciding which rounds to double in the calculation, if not all the rounds for a particular tourney are to be doubled, is it not the case that the highest rated rounds for the weekend are doubled first?

From plugging my numbers into a spreadsheet, it looks like my first two rounds for the High Plains Challenge were doubled, instead of the high rounds.

Is this a change, or am I mistaken that that's how it used to work?

Thanks!
Chris

stroberger · Aug 28 2007, 10:18 AM

OK, now I'm confused.

I just noticed that I have a few rounds still included in my calculations from last July. I thought rounds more than 12 month old were dropped?

I think I need my morning coffee.

-Chris

ck34 · Aug 28 2007, 10:30 AM

You can't 100% rely on making the calcs with the posted numbers because the actual calculation is done before those rounded ratings numbers are posted. So, if your calcs are off by a point or two, then it's due to rounding in the process. Your higher round should have been used.

ck34 · Aug 28 2007, 10:31 AM

Rounds more than 12 months older than the date of your most recently rated round are dropped if you have at least 8 rounds.

stroberger · Aug 28 2007, 10:42 AM

Thanks, Chuck!

-Chris

Aug 25 2007, 06:11 PM	#481
jmonny PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: your place Posts: 1,371	Re: Ratings miscalculation -- Greater Des Moines Challenge, Round 3 Chuck....ever thought about adding something to Ams Player Info page that noted if they placed or not at their events. Like under the Prize column put a "P" for placed or "C" for cashed. Is that info included in the TD reports? Just curious, it would be cool to see something there since we don't get prize money listed like Pro's. Thanks __________________ New Hanover DGC Tag #15 Pleasure Island DGC Tag #2 Kinston DGC Tag #9

Aug 25 2007, 06:22 PM	#482
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: Ratings miscalculation -- Greater Des Moines Challenge, Round 3 It's been done before when results were submitted to the PDGA manually. But I believe one reason the practice hasn't continued is someone didn't want to encourage "cashing" records for amateurs. The main reason though is that true valuations for Am prizes are usually slippery and I don't believe TDs are required to submit those breakouts in the TD reports. I'm thinking though that the Competition Committee may reconsider this in the next few years as the line between ams and pros continues to blur.

Aug 26 2007, 05:33 AM	#483
skaZZirf PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Port City Posts: 1,812	Re: Ratings miscalculation -- Greater Des Moines Challenge, Round 3 ratings for Msdgc? what would they have been? just curious...look at it as an act of good faith for the future...cmon chuck.

Aug 26 2007, 06:27 AM	#484
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: Ratings miscalculation -- Greater Des Moines Challenge, Round 3 Maple Hill Elements R2 had a 56 SSA (see PW2006 Lake Olmstead R4 Masters to find scores and see ratings) and Maple Hill Airplanes R4 had a 62.8 SSA (see PW2006 Hippodrome R2 Open). That's all I know.

Aug 27 2007, 04:06 PM	#486
kellerthedog PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 7,200 feet Posts: 353	Re: 8/28 update will the results from last weekend's event be included in the update if they are already posted online? what is the cutoff?

Aug 27 2007, 04:13 PM	#487
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: 8/28 update Last events included were weekend of Aug 11-12 if they got their paperwork in.

Aug 27 2007, 04:21 PM	#488
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: 8/28 update when will we be live, Chucky? __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Aug 27 2007, 04:26 PM	#489
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: 8/28 update Apparently there's one final Hooter's issue holding up the posting. I'm guessing Dave will be on schedule with posting it first thing tomorrow morning.

Aug 27 2007, 04:42 PM	#490
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: 8/28 update Hooters? Sounds like a concentration problem if you ask me. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Aug 27 2007, 04:51 PM	#491
mbohn Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forest Ranch, CA Posts: 757	Re: 8/28 update An Honest and typical American request: Just post what you have at this point..... Can't those issues can be resolved later.....We want it now.... __________________ Famous Quotes: Be Nice!.....

Aug 27 2007, 04:55 PM	#492
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: 8/28 update The part I do in the process has been out of my hands since 10 days ago. I'm just the messenger at this point. The new procedure has Roger, Jerry and Dave hammering out the corrections they can find before posting. Dave does the posting when it's ready.

Aug 27 2007, 04:59 PM	#493
mbohn Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forest Ranch, CA Posts: 757	Re: 8/28 update Just having some fun Chuck. I always get a kick out of how impatient we rating junkies can get. LOL.... Based on my last performance, I would be happy if the entire system blows up and my rating never gets updated again..... __________________ Famous Quotes: Be Nice!.....

Aug 27 2007, 05:06 PM	#495
mbohn Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forest Ranch, CA Posts: 757	Re: 8/28 update Hey it's me Dave. Open up the door man, I got the ratings done... Dave? It's me Dave. Open up the door man, I got the ratings done... Dave? Yea man, it's me Dave.... Dave's not here..... __________________ Famous Quotes: Be Nice!.....

Aug 27 2007, 05:17 PM	#496
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: 8/28 update Here are ratings for people who have posted here recently. Figure out who they go with: 978, 1000, 949, 909, 927, 989

Aug 27 2007, 05:25 PM	#498
mbohn Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forest Ranch, CA Posts: 757	Re: 8/28 update 909.... Could that really be me? __________________ Famous Quotes: Be Nice!.....

Aug 27 2007, 05:35 PM	#499
baldguy PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Corinth, TX Posts: 4,058	Re: 8/28 update Chuck... you're killing me... I haven't posted recently but can I be added to that list?

Aug 27 2007, 05:53 PM	#500
mbohn Membership Expired Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forest Ranch, CA Posts: 757	Re: 8/28 update Here is a mad guess 989 = Matt 927 = Phillip 909 = Senior 949 = Ryan or Keith 1000 = Sjur 978 = MTL __________________ Famous Quotes: Be Nice!.....

Aug 27 2007, 06:13 PM	#501
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: 8/28 update You would be second lowest if you made the last list.

Aug 27 2007, 06:41 PM	#502
cbdiscpimp PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northville, Michigan Posts: 4,805	Re: 8/28 update What about me??? Did I finally go up after 2 drops and a standstill???

Aug 27 2007, 06:44 PM	#503
ChrisWoj PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,387	Re: 8/28 update Wild guess... 937. Can't wait for the next update when my injured rounds start getting dropped!

Aug 27 2007, 09:20 PM	#505
xterramatt PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USDGC Country Posts: 3,096	Re: 8/28 update 989... 21 point jump! dang, that'd be sweet. 13 1000 rated rounds (avg) will do that to ya. __________________ feeling so frustrated even antiquated 'cause you can't update me if i'm overrated

Aug 28 2007, 10:05 AM	#506
stroberger PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 3	Double-weighted rounds? Hey Chuck, When deciding which rounds to double in the calculation, if not all the rounds for a particular tourney are to be doubled, is it not the case that the highest rated rounds for the weekend are doubled first? From plugging my numbers into a spreadsheet, it looks like my first two rounds for the High Plains Challenge were doubled, instead of the high rounds. Is this a change, or am I mistaken that that's how it used to work? Thanks! Chris

Aug 28 2007, 10:18 AM	#507
stroberger PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 3	Old Rounds? OK, now I'm confused. I just noticed that I have a few rounds still included in my calculations from last July. I thought rounds more than 12 month old were dropped? I think I need my morning coffee. -Chris

Aug 28 2007, 10:30 AM	#508
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: Double-weighted rounds? You can't 100% rely on making the calcs with the posted numbers because the actual calculation is done before those rounded ratings numbers are posted. So, if your calcs are off by a point or two, then it's due to rounding in the process. Your higher round should have been used.

Aug 28 2007, 10:31 AM	#509
ck34 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 9,529	Re: Double-weighted rounds? Rounds more than 12 months older than the date of your most recently rated round are dropped if you have at least 8 rounds.

Aug 28 2007, 10:42 AM	#510
stroberger PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 3	Re: Double-weighted rounds? Thanks, Chuck! -Chris

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