Ask David Mac about new or existing Gateway Golf Discs here!!!

[gdstour]

If its marked sss its probably really soft on the surface but if its not as flexible as you like, you can get it a little more flexible by working it in a bit around the rim. Dont be afraid to do this as it wont lose its shape, the plastic we use has a lot of memory and will spring right back!

We use santoprene rubber its some of the most resilient rubber made!!!

We should have some of the proto types, but the name Apex is apparently too close to APX and Jim K at Discraft asked me politely if I could find another name.

Were thinking SAVAGE,,, how does that sound?

[pdiddy71]

thanks david. i thought about putting it in the dishwasher but thought it might get warped too bad.

[notahobogolfer]

Dave,
I think savage is a solid name.

What does the qc stand for on the illusion? My qc illusions are as overstable as my other illusions.

Have you guys gotten a chance to do any medium or soft wizards yet?

Keep up the great work and thanks for the updates

[JHBlader86]

Savage sounds cool, but what about Ravage as well?? Maybe when your next driver comes out you could name it that to compliment the Savage??

[dgdave]

They did run Ms. I talked to Justin yesterday.

[Mark_Stephens]

I have a shipment of all flexes of Wizards arriving tomorrow.

[Mark_Stephens]

The new "Voodoo" putter by Gateway Disc Sports was approved by the PDGA for use in sanctioned events on March 31, 2009.

[gokayaksteven]

are the new infernos as understable as the originals? i am considering trying them again .

[RhynoBoy]

I still vote for some re-issued Chief stamped Wizards!

[Merkaba311]

I need some help determining which version of the Wizard I have...

I assume the disc is a Wizard because it wasn't stamped with anything but a poorboy stamp and I got it for free without even ordering it.

On the back it says "Soft" in Sharpie. However, I also have a Super Soft Wizard that I ordered and it doesn't have nearly as much flex or grip of the one that is labeled "Soft." I've asked people to blindly grip and flex each disc and everyone says that the one marked "Soft" is softer and more flexible than the super soft.

I also have a Clear Evo Wizard that is way more flexible than either of the discs. It reminds me of a Champion Aero. When warm they're both like goo.

That's beside the point but basically I'm positive the disc I got for free is a Wizard...I just don't know how soft it is. I doubt I'll ever lose it but as one of my primary putters it will eventually get worn out.

The plastic kind of had a powdery peeling effect going on around the edges when the disc was brand new. It's not as noticeable now.

Thanks for any info/help.

[mikeP]

This is why I almost always feel a disc before I buy it, especially putters, especially Gateway. Dave M. knows exactly where a medium ends and a soft begins, and a soft ends and a SS begins, and so on, but the factory workers that print the numbers on the back sometimes are not so accurate. If I didn't have access to a good selection of Gateway to pick through I'd probably talk to the guy at the shop to get exactly what I want.

[gdstour]

Brian, Dave, and others,
Gateway Disc Sports submitted the Voodoo for PDGA testing. This disc passed all PDGA tests, so I've added it to the list of PDGA-approved discs. This disc is now permitted in PDGA competition, although formal certification will be made by the Board of Directors at their next meeting. Test measurements are listed below and a photograph of the disc and an updated list of approved discs are attached.





Voodoo

Certification No. 09-10

PDGA fee: $300

Outside diameter: 21.1 cm

Inside rim diameter: 19.1 cm

Height: 2.1 cm

Rim depth: 1.6 cm

Rim thickness: 1.0 cm

Flight plate thickness: 0.2 cm

Flight plate to rim plane distance: 1.9 cm

Flexibility rating: 3.52 kg

Rim configuration rating: 62.00


Maximum weight allowed: 175.3 g

[gdstour]

This is why I almost always feel a disc before I buy it, especially putters, especially Gateway. Dave M. knows exactly where a medium ends and a soft begins, and a soft ends and a SS begins, and so on, but the factory workers that print the numbers on the back sometimes are not so accurate. If I didn't have access to a good selection of Gateway to pick through I'd probably talk to the guy at the shop to get exactly what I want.

from time to time a disc will get marked based on the formula which is always pretty accurate to the surface softness ( or hardness).
Due to a range of processing ( lightly packed or REALLY packed out) flexibility can very.

We are working hard to get our discs in more brick and mortar stores so that people can do just what you are saying,,, get in front of a big box of our putters and your sure to find one that you really like.
the good thing about our models and flexes is that the flexes don't really change the flight within each particular model, but softer and more flexible versions will certainly wear in a bit faster!!

anyone that knows of a store or club that sells discs that does not carry Gateway,,,, feel free to forward their information along to david@gdstour.com or direct them to our website!

[Smokey102977]

Hey Dave, what is the 411 on the driver formerly known as "APEX"? How about the plans for the other drivers and mids you plan to release this season. What type of stabilities and speeds are we looking for? Any plans for a really slow turnover putter, similar to the Whitler?

[Boneman]

I threw the new driver yesterday at club tags.

Definitely got everyone's attention.

In very light wind, it flew true to Davids description. Beast/Wraith like flight path. Very good distance and very good glide and didn't require a big arm to do so. Me likie.

[gdstour]

We ran the NEW Driver with a different top ( sharper nose radius) on Monday and seem to have the less overstable version we were actually looking for.
With the new small bead on the wing, the resistance to turn really helped with this version and I really liked the flight. easier to pop up from Hyzer which is my preferred style and less fade. Probably not as good into a strong head wind but still performed well into a head wind and glided forever with the wind.
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Before we added the small bead, this tighter nosed version flipped straight to the right and rolled when throw with power.
Great for players who can only throw 200 feet, but not so good for everyone else unless you are looking for a roller.
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The name Savage is perfect for the slightly overstable version, but now we need another name of the this straighter/stable model. I'm still liking Apex, but also considering bring back the name Apache for this one, as it flies like a Flatter, Faster, longer winged Apache,, any thoughts???

[Mark_Stephens]

New Name!

I sent you a LONG list of names a few months back. I need to think what was on that list...

Since it is supposed to be a larger winged assassin (I think I have not seen it **hint, hint** LOL) I tried to stay with that theme:

Knight
Ronin
Samurai
Cavalier
Commando
Ranger
Legionnaire

[Smokey102977]

I like going to the warrior class driver names.

Samurai, Ninja, and so on. Glad the disc came out less stable...it should make for a better long turnover driver if thrown right.

[mikeP]

I like going to the warrior class driver names.

Samurai, Ninja, and so on. Glad the disc came out less stable...it should make for a better long turnover driver if thrown right.

I like these names, but it made me think of an even better one--the Katana. It is a straight sword and kind of like a longer Sabre...

[nolanearl]

I like these names, but it made me think of an even better one--the Katana. It is a straight sword and kind of like a longer Sabre...

I really like Katana that sounds and seems perfect.
When is a projected time that such discs will begin being produced.
I am really interested.
Beast is probably my farthest discs however, i have been trying to throw almost exclusively Gateway so i have been throwing a Sabre but, i cant always get the same distance.

[cgkdisc]

The Stiletto snaps out and "heels" at the basket.

[exczar]

You just can't help yourself, can you, Chuck?

[gdstour]

These 2 drivers surely help bridge the gap between the Sabre and Illusion not only in flight but in wing size.

We are going with the name Apache for the stable/understable model and Savage for the beefier one.
Its looking like the Savage is more of a headwind driver and the Apache for tailwind, though either can work for both depending on your power.
Under 250 the Apache is still a little overstable and if you have 350 power you can still turn the Savage.
They both have great control, a decent amount of speed and of course the Apache has a little Longer glide because its less stable.


I'm gonna need a little more time with them to get the actual speed, glide, turn fade numbers but they should be right in the beast/orc/wraith range!
If the discs would have a slight concave on the wing as opposed to a very small bead,,,, the Apache would look identical to a Champ Wraith only with a slightly smaller wing length!
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I like the name Katana too and have it it on the table quite a few times (sounds like a longer winged discs to me).
Plans are already under way for a longer winged under stable driver and most like we will eventually have some different shapes for the wing on these,,, so dont be afraid to keep the names coming,,,

we are in production now and should be releasing them on the Auto ship Program this week.

[mikeP]

I may be paranoid and I'm certainly no Native American...but I can imagine if disc golf ever gets big and you guys are making big $ off discs that the names Savage and Apache may be called into question for their political correctness.

[the_kid]

Washington Redskins?

[krazyeye]

I would like a scalp please!!

[cgkdisc]

Especially when used for tomahawk shots...

[Smokey102977]

Well....I am only 1/16 Cherokee and I don't care one way or the other. As an anthropologist, I can say that some people believe they need to be apologetic or politically correct...I am one of those that don't have a position because I am a cultural relativist. Oh, and no I don't drive a Cherokee.

[gdstour]

I see your point but,,,,,
Personally I would NEVER equate Savage with American Indians,, why would I??
The name Savage and our use of Apache is merely a coincidence. When someone sent me the name Savage, I thought wild Animals,,, not people.

Although Ive been told I eat like a Savage!

Here's a link to the definition where I see no mention of anything American Indian. ( guns, Games, cities, bowling balls, etc..)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage.


We have a whole lot of Indian Blood on both sides of our family, Its probably one of the reasons I like the Indian sounding Names( Chief, warrior, Scout and Apache),,,

[gdstour]

I'll had more time to test the 2 new discs.
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I played 2 rounds this weekend, one on Ozark Mountain and one on Akita's Run using the Apache for all the shots I would have used the Illusion, Sabre or Assassin. Not quite the D as the Baby blue Illusions for me, but similar glide and speed. ( that run of Baby Blue Illusions is freakishly long). It was noticeably faster than a Sabre or Assassin, but similar control for golf style shots.
The Apache has more resistance to turn than the Assassins and since its molded in the Evolution HPP ( new clear stuff) it came away from the mountain without a scratch and I hit plenty of rocks and trees!
The disc is certainly more stable than I had originally thought and did quite well even into a headwind.
I was able to throw the disc flat with a lot of power for all the tunnel shots out there without it flipping on me and could throw it as a Hyzer flip up disc too, but needed just about full power to get it to turn some and most of the time it would still finish left if given enough time.
It would hold a nice LONG left to right when turned over out of the hand for me and will make a nice S shot disc for a player with 300 or so power!
Carl Nichols III who is 13 was able to get a little more d out of it than with his star Orc throwing it this way, but in all they are quite similar discs, especially at his power.

A few times when I tried a long left to right and didnt get on it enough or had it too nose up it hyzered off but never as far left as I thought.
I will probably need a stack of them and an open field to see how far they will actually fly for me, but I was able to get them out well over 400 on very tight glf shot lines with just a little turn and a little fade.


The Apache was working so well ( even into mild headwinds) that the Savage didn't get any work out off the tee but I threw it for several sidearm shots and a few Spike hyzer layups where I may have used a Spirit and it performed with predictability .
I'm going to need a field for more results for both discs.
The stability of the 2 seemed to work well together for discs of that speed and wing length!