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gdstour · Oct 08 2007, 10:44 AM

The less overstable baby blue Illusions have E-ill on the back. If you lay the disc on a table, the nose will be VERY close to the table with hardly any under-camber or deflection angle from the wing.

Most runs of Illusions have a more pronounced height difference from nose to bead making them have more resistance to turn and more low speed fade.

I'm pretty sure by now most of them are probably gone or at least spoken for.
We are going to get the Illusion mold back in the press soon and see if we can get some more produced that are the same.

The 2nd run Baby blues have a nice dome and very long glide but are not as easy to flip!

Mark_Stephens · Oct 08 2007, 10:54 AM

Thank you sir!

Now, I just need to pull those discs out of the Gateway box and see what ones that we have so I can tell people as they buy them.

gdstour · Oct 08 2007, 10:55 AM

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Also, are all the Blast-DTs in lower weights? I ordered 5 and all are under 170 grams...

There were a hand full that got up over 170, but very few.
The heavier ones are a little domey and firmer.
I have only test flown the flat ones that are 165, which seem to be very fast and easy to control for an overstable high speed driver.

One of the main reasons for this run of Blast Dt's was to be able to have some high speed drivers in the lower weight range. Its very difficult to get the Spirits, Speed demon Dt's, Blurrs and Illusions in the mid 160's.

listen2bob · Oct 08 2007, 12:50 PM

So happy you guys are making illusions once again. Please find a way to make the true E Illusions once again, you know the whitish blue hue ones that get all krinkly when you hit trees. They are truly the bomb and I am almost out of them. Also the stiff hard dark blue and purple S plastic ones would be appreciated.
While I am at it run more of the clear E element X's from a year or two ago, the new stiffer E elX that just came out are really good.

gdstour · Oct 09 2007, 02:35 AM

We will get the Illusion mold back in the press next week and see if we can get some more ran like the Baby blues that are easier to flip up, that track over and glide forever.

We do have some clear-ish translucent polymers we are going to run in most of our discs, but it probably wont be until mid-December.
We have a really huge inventory right now of everything except E and S Hybrids.
We are going to build some new molds, mostly under stable drivers, as we are starting to get more new players using our discs.
We are focusing our efforts into getting more retail stores carrying our putters ( 2 styles X 4 flexes) for now and work on prototyping the new drivers and polymers over the winter.
Hopefully we will have several new discs and some clearish stuff ready by late winter and in time for next season!

Mark_Stephens · Oct 09 2007, 08:12 AM

Next season??

The season NEVER ends! Even here in Michigan!!!!!

Low temps just means lower scores!

Keep up the good work!

listen2bob · Oct 09 2007, 10:35 AM

We omly have 2 seasons: I'm Melting and Dang its hot.
I'm melting covers april-late november.
Sounds like you guys have some work coming up. Seriously, the krinkle illusions please.

gdstour · Oct 10 2007, 08:13 PM

By krinkle do you mean they buckle a bit or creas in the flight plate when jacked into a tree too hard?

readysetstab · Oct 20 2007, 06:01 PM

hey dave, i just picked up some flat top spirits from someone and they're different from any plastic that i've seen from gateway. they are clear like the ice spirits, but really flexible. probably more so than any disc i've ever held. is there a special run of these or are they referred to by a certain name? just wondering in case i really like them and want to try to find them in the future...

is it possible that they are some of the Z plastic discs that i've heard about? maybe the clear SS avenger plastic or something?

gdstour · Oct 20 2007, 06:13 PM

No they are not Z, if they are flexible they are probably from a run we did about 3 years ago.
The run was way too flat and too over-stable to throw very well, but some players like to use them for overhand shots.

socalsprtsbum19 · Oct 23 2007, 02:44 PM

Dave, I have an old school S Blaze. The rim is much flatter compared to the new Blazes and flies more like a Teebird than an overstable midrange. Do you know where I can find these or if you will ever run them in this mold again? If not, what would you reccomend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

listen2bob · Oct 23 2007, 05:30 PM

The ones that crease the flight plate when pounded into trees. I know some think it is a sign they dont want to see in plastic, but those things are money, even creased. I believe they came out around the same time as the original blue E Illusions. and the white ones were coming out to heavy. They felt the most similar to the baby blues. If I had a camera I would take a picture.

stpitner · Oct 25 2007, 02:35 PM

Any more discs planned to go out to auto-ship distributors before the year is out? I had a great response to the Diablo-DT. I don't know if the Blast-DT will make its way out the door in similar fashion or not.

I look forward to seeing the Magic.

PARKErD · Oct 25 2007, 03:16 PM

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If not, what would you reccomend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

Hybrid DT-whenever it comes out.

JHBlader86 · Oct 25 2007, 05:12 PM

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If not, what would you reccomend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

Hybrid DT-whenever it comes out.

Are the Blaze, Sabre, and Hybrid DT's going to have dimples like the Diablo or the Speed Demon?

dgdave · Oct 25 2007, 06:16 PM

I remember hearing dimples like the diablo

Ackerman · Oct 30 2007, 09:39 PM

Dave,
Has it been a while since you ran Firm Wizards? Are you still going to run them? I cannot find these things anywhere.

PARKErD · Oct 31 2007, 08:54 AM

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Dave,
Has it been a while since you ran Firm Wizards? Are you still going to run them? I cannot find these things anywhere.

Firm Wizards are no longer being produced. Maybe someone will buy one on ebay for $100 and more will be ran

gdstour · Oct 31 2007, 08:51 PM

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Dave, I have an old school S Blaze. The rim is much flatter compared to the new Blazes and flies more like a Teebird than an overstable midrange. Do you know where I can find these or if you will ever run them in this mold again? If not, what would you recommend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

These are called puffy rimmed Blazes,
I would check with Gateway Undeground, if they dont have them, shoot me an email to david@gdstour.com.

The Dimple technolgy wing we are going to put on the SABRE, HYBRID, BLAZE and DEMON should be VERY close to the same puffy look you have with that run of Blazes. The flight pattern is faster and straighter without the concave on the wing.
Should be ready right after the first of the year, most likely we will have new names or possibly call them Blaze-DT!

gdstour · Oct 31 2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Any more discs planned to go out to auto-ship distributors before the year is out? I had a great response to the Diablo-DT. I don't know if the Blast-DT will make its way out the door in similar fashion or not.

I look forward to seeing the Magic.

Magic should be ready by December 1st!

gdstour · Oct 31 2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Dave,
Has it been a while since you ran Firm Wizards? Are you still going to run them? I cannot find these things anywhere.

We have plenty and so should our vendors,,, they are now called Medium

The blue ones with the new Larger Wizard stamp are the most Firm!

gdstour · Oct 31 2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

If not, what would you reccomend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

Hybrid DT-whenever it comes out.

Are the Blaze, Sabre, and Hybrid DT's going to have dimples like the Diablo or the Speed Demon?

They will probably need Dimples like the Diablo to have the effect we are looking for.

smurphy29 · Oct 31 2007, 10:06 PM

Jensen, I sent you a message about some wizards.

the_kid · Nov 01 2007, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Dave,
Has it been a while since you ran Firm Wizards? Are you still going to run them? I cannot find these things anywhere.

We have plenty and so should our vendors,,, they are now called Medium

The blue ones with the new Larger Wizard stamp are the most Firm!

Send me the firmest ones Dave.

dgdave · Nov 01 2007, 09:40 PM

Firm Wizards Cheap Here ya go for all you firm wizard lovers

JHBlader86 · Nov 02 2007, 12:43 AM

Found something interesting on the site dgdave linked. Its called an EXP 1.1. I assume the EXP stands for experimental, but what can you tell us about this disc, Dave? Is it something you have previously mentioned and I'm too lazy to look back the pages and see or is it a secret?

dgdave · Nov 02 2007, 07:57 AM

I think its a Millineum EXP 1.1, not Gateway

Furthur · Nov 02 2007, 10:04 AM

Yep, the EXP is a Millennium disc. I think it's a Banchee retool.

JHBlader86 · Nov 02 2007, 01:53 PM

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I think its a Millineum EXP 1.1, not Gateway

Odd that it's in the Gateway section. Had my hopes up for a new driver coming soon.

S_Wells · Nov 03 2007, 08:11 AM

It does look like a Gateway disc, but I think that it has the wrong name attached.... It's looks kind of like an Inferno.

http://www.clearwaterdiscgolfstore.c...roducts_id/850

Oct 08 2007, 10:44 AM	#1411
gdstour PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Creve Coeur, Missouri Posts: 2,467	Re: Gateway Underground The less overstable baby blue Illusions have E-ill on the back. If you lay the disc on a table, the nose will be VERY close to the table with hardly any under-camber or deflection angle from the wing. Most runs of Illusions have a more pronounced height difference from nose to bead making them have more resistance to turn and more low speed fade. I'm pretty sure by now most of them are probably gone or at least spoken for. We are going to get the Illusion mold back in the press soon and see if we can get some more produced that are the same. The 2nd run Baby blues have a nice dome and very long glide but are not as easy to flip! __________________ David McCormack pdga # 2873 www.gdstour.com BLog: www.gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com

Oct 08 2007, 10:54 AM	#1412
Mark_Stephens PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint, MI Posts: 941	Re: Gateway Underground Thank you sir! Now, I just need to pull those discs out of the Gateway box and see what ones that we have so I can tell people as they buy them.

Oct 08 2007, 12:50 PM	#1414
listen2bob PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: in the dirty....Tampa Posts: 83	Re: Gateway Underground So happy you guys are making illusions once again. Please find a way to make the true E Illusions once again, you know the whitish blue hue ones that get all krinkly when you hit trees. They are truly the bomb and I am almost out of them. Also the stiff hard dark blue and purple S plastic ones would be appreciated. While I am at it run more of the clear E element X's from a year or two ago, the new stiffer E elX that just came out are really good.

Oct 09 2007, 02:35 AM	#1415
gdstour PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Creve Coeur, Missouri Posts: 2,467	Illusions We will get the Illusion mold back in the press next week and see if we can get some more ran like the Baby blues that are easier to flip up, that track over and glide forever. We do have some clear-ish translucent polymers we are going to run in most of our discs, but it probably wont be until mid-December. We have a really huge inventory right now of everything except E and S Hybrids. We are going to build some new molds, mostly under stable drivers, as we are starting to get more new players using our discs. We are focusing our efforts into getting more retail stores carrying our putters ( 2 styles X 4 flexes) for now and work on prototyping the new drivers and polymers over the winter. Hopefully we will have several new discs and some clearish stuff ready by late winter and in time for next season! __________________ David McCormack pdga # 2873 www.gdstour.com BLog: www.gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com

Oct 09 2007, 08:12 AM	#1416
Mark_Stephens PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Flint, MI Posts: 941	Re: Illusions Next season?? The season NEVER ends! Even here in Michigan!!!!! Low temps just means lower scores! Keep up the good work!

Oct 09 2007, 10:35 AM	#1417
listen2bob PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: in the dirty....Tampa Posts: 83	Re: Illusions We omly have 2 seasons: I'm Melting and Dang its hot. I'm melting covers april-late november. Sounds like you guys have some work coming up. Seriously, the krinkle illusions please.

Oct 10 2007, 08:13 PM	#1418
gdstour PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Creve Coeur, Missouri Posts: 2,467	Re: Illusions By krinkle do you mean they buckle a bit or creas in the flight plate when jacked into a tree too hard? __________________ David McCormack pdga # 2873 www.gdstour.com BLog: www.gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com

Oct 20 2007, 06:01 PM	#1419
readysetstab Community Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami, OK Posts: 307	Re: Illusions hey dave, i just picked up some flat top spirits from someone and they're different from any plastic that i've seen from gateway. they are clear like the ice spirits, but really flexible. probably more so than any disc i've ever held. is there a special run of these or are they referred to by a certain name? just wondering in case i really like them and want to try to find them in the future... is it possible that they are some of the Z plastic discs that i've heard about? maybe the clear SS avenger plastic or something?

Oct 20 2007, 06:13 PM	#1420
gdstour PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Creve Coeur, Missouri Posts: 2,467	Re: Illusions No they are not Z, if they are flexible they are probably from a run we did about 3 years ago. The run was way too flat and too over-stable to throw very well, but some players like to use them for overhand shots. __________________ David McCormack pdga # 2873 www.gdstour.com BLog: www.gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com

Oct 23 2007, 02:44 PM	#1421
socalsprtsbum19 Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Davenport, IA Posts: 30	S Blaze Dave, I have an old school S Blaze. The rim is much flatter compared to the new Blazes and flies more like a Teebird than an overstable midrange. Do you know where I can find these or if you will ever run them in this mold again? If not, what would you reccomend as a replacement in the Gateway lineup that would fly with the same characteristics as the Teebird?

Oct 23 2007, 05:30 PM	#1422
listen2bob PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: in the dirty....Tampa Posts: 83	Re: Illusions The ones that crease the flight plate when pounded into trees. I know some think it is a sign they dont want to see in plastic, but those things are money, even creased. I believe they came out around the same time as the original blue E Illusions. and the white ones were coming out to heavy. They felt the most similar to the baby blues. If I had a camera I would take a picture.

Oct 25 2007, 02:35 PM	#1423
stpitner PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 31	Auto-Ship Discs Any more discs planned to go out to auto-ship distributors before the year is out? I had a great response to the Diablo-DT. I don't know if the Blast-DT will make its way out the door in similar fashion or not. I look forward to seeing the Magic. __________________ www.paperorplasticsports.com Over 1500 discs in stock!

Oct 25 2007, 06:16 PM	#1426
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Re: S Blaze I remember hearing dimples like the diablo

Oct 30 2007, 09:39 PM	#1427
Ackerman Membership Expired Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home for the Winter Posts: 30	Firm Wizards Dave, Has it been a while since you ran Firm Wizards? Are you still going to run them? I cannot find these things anywhere.

Oct 31 2007, 10:06 PM	#1433
smurphy29 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rochester, IL Posts: 272	Re: Auto-Ship Discs Jensen, I sent you a message about some wizards. __________________ I need to make a living with some type of disc golf business!

Nov 01 2007, 09:40 PM	#1435
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Re: Firm Wizards Firm Wizards Cheap Here ya go for all you firm wizard lovers

Nov 02 2007, 12:43 AM	#1436
JHBlader86 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 1,405	Re: Firm Wizards Found something interesting on the site dgdave linked. Its called an EXP 1.1. I assume the EXP stands for experimental, but what can you tell us about this disc, Dave? Is it something you have previously mentioned and I'm too lazy to look back the pages and see or is it a secret?

Nov 02 2007, 07:57 AM	#1437
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Re: Firm Wizards I think its a Millineum EXP 1.1, not Gateway

Nov 02 2007, 10:04 AM	#1438
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Re: Firm Wizards Yep, the EXP is a Millennium disc. I think it's a Banchee retool.

Nov 03 2007, 08:11 AM	#1440
S_Wells Membership Expired Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 102	Re: Firm Wizards It does look like a Gateway disc, but I think that it has the wrong name attached.... It's looks kind of like an Inferno. http://www.clearwaterdiscgolfstore.c...roducts_id/850 __________________ Who's ya Buddy?

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