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Old May 15 2007, 10:58 PM   #1261
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I like them because they strike a good balance between softness of feel and stiffness of the plastic. Some of them are pretty darn soft and others are closer to firm so it's not real consistent. I bought one for night play and started using it for everything! My biggest problem with them is how easily they beat up, especially playing with Innova baskets that have the yellow band on the top - chews them to shreds!

Mine is still in great shape after 6 months.
I've been using the Shawn Sinclair hand me downs for over a year and they're still money.
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Old May 16 2007, 11:54 AM   #1262
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From what I hear they does not change the way they fly. Hey Matt where is a good place to get gateway disc's in DFW?
The entire structure of the putter has been altered in only a few months. It went from a straight to overstable putter to less stable than a Z-Putt'r. The yellow Innova bands cut large gouges out of soft plastic; even my Star Aviar has lost plastic from them. They fly the same for 25 footers, anything outside of that requires adjustment as the putter ages
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Old May 16 2007, 01:18 PM   #1263
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I can feel how much weight has been lost due to the 90-degree angle on those yellow metal bands. Looks like it tried to hug a weed wacker. Doesn't stay 175 for very long!
Losing gram(s) of plastic off a disc HAS to affect the flight. BTW, I once threw a medium Wizard and it landed on a rough road (tar & gravel) about 250' away. It was the first time I threw the disc and the road literally sanded the bead off half the disc. It went from overstable to super flippy after one throw!
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Old May 16 2007, 04:06 PM   #1264
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I wonder if #1 in disc golf will ever fix that problem. If it was a desighn flaw you would think #1 would fix it. However, if create a way to accelerate product demand by fabricating a target that will ruin the product during normal use - well that is genius! To bad we continue to support this kind of stuff in the sport we love!
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Old May 16 2007, 05:18 PM   #1265
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If I ever get the chance to help install a course I will do everything I can to ensure the placement of baskets that are putter-safe! Until that time, I will continue to bad-mouth Innova banded baskets.
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Old May 16 2007, 06:31 PM   #1266
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If I ever get the chance to help install a course I will do everything I can to ensure the placement of baskets that are putter-safe! Until that time, I will continue to bad-mouth Innova banded baskets.
How in the world does it f'up your putter? You obviously aren't hitting it square because that wouldn't chip it but hitting the edge it TOUGH. The Discatchers are my favorite baskets that I get to play on a lot in tournies because they catch good and they don't have bounce outs or cutthroughs like Machs and chainstars.

Of course the TITANS catch better but I only play on them during casual rounds in STL.
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Old May 16 2007, 06:37 PM   #1267
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Old May 17 2007, 07:04 AM   #1268
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If I ever get the chance to help install a course I will do everything I can to ensure the placement of baskets that are putter-safe! Until that time, I will continue to bad-mouth Innova banded baskets.
How in the world does it f'up your putter? You obviously aren't hitting it square because that wouldn't chip it but hitting the edge it TOUGH. The Discatchers are my favorite baskets that I get to play on a lot in tournies because they catch good and they don't have bounce outs or cutthroughs like Machs and chainstars.

Of course the TITANS catch better but I only play on them during casual rounds in STL.
make a common mistake and put a little to high. When your disc goes skims the top of the basket and you see pieces of plastic shooting of you disc you will know what we are talking about.
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Old May 17 2007, 09:25 AM   #1269
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If I ever get the chance to help install a course I will do everything I can to ensure the placement of baskets that are putter-safe! Until that time, I will continue to bad-mouth Innova banded baskets.
How in the world does it f'up your putter? You obviously aren't hitting it square because that wouldn't chip it but hitting the edge it TOUGH. The Discatchers are my favorite baskets that I get to play on a lot in tournies because they catch good and they don't have bounce outs or cutthroughs like Machs and chainstars.

Of course the TITANS catch better but I only play on them during casual rounds in STL.


Eagle Point Park in Clinton, Iowa is putting in 18 Titans. The course is going to be sick and I cant wait to play on these baskets weekly.
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Old May 17 2007, 09:30 AM   #1270
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Tried out the Super Soft Warlocks. Lots of float and carry, a little more than I like, but the plastic feels so good its worth the re-learning.

Throwing the "stiff as a board" red E-Sabres as well. They are pretty sweet, with a little more distance than the normal Sabres. IMO. Still waiting on some of the stiffer Pearl-types for myself.

Oh, and the best midrange out, the Element-X. Tried the pearl versions of this and it compares more to a Roc than the previous versions Ive tried due to stability. Brand new, you can get on them and they hold dead straight lines with a subtle fade at the end. Its a good match for the beefy version Im already throwing.

The new plastic is going over very well David. Nice Work!
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Old May 17 2007, 10:05 AM   #1271
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Tried out the Super Soft Warlocks. Lots of float and carry, a little more than I like, but the plastic feels so good its worth the re-learning.
This is so true. I have 3 175g SS in the newer plastic. They feel amazing, but when I throw them, they have so much float that I feel like I'm throwing ~165g. Either way, the plastic feels amazing, so I will continue adjusting to get used to these.
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Old May 17 2007, 11:18 AM   #1272
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Tried out the Super Soft Warlocks. Lots of float and carry, a little more than I like, but the plastic feels so good its worth the re-learning.
This is so true. I have 3 175g SS in the newer plastic. They feel amazing, but when I throw them, they have so much float that I feel like I'm throwing ~165g. Either way, the plastic feels amazing, so I will continue adjusting to get used to these.


I agree completely. I talked to Dave on Monday and told him they were like using very lightweight putters!
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Old May 17 2007, 11:15 PM   #1273
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Dave, did you receive my message to you? If not , send me a PM and I'll ask again.
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Old May 18 2007, 08:22 PM   #1274
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i was wondering if anyone has thrown these nike inferno's?
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Old May 18 2007, 10:56 PM   #1275
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I'm throwing a 137g. It's crazy long for me. Fun disc.
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Old May 19 2007, 09:27 AM   #1276
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I've thrown a 141g. Takes a bit of adjusting to the light weight. But they do fly quite far.
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Old May 20 2007, 04:51 PM   #1277
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Are more soft glow wizards going to be run soon? I'm having a hard time finding max weight soft glow wizards online.
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Old May 25 2007, 06:39 PM   #1278
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what timing,
we just ran some Glow super soft wizards today.
I may try and get a few regular softs and mediums on Tuesday!
ask your local retail store or on line vendor to give us a call.

BTW,
when practice putting at the factory this week, I really noticed the difference between the Wizards and warlocks.
Its mostly when putted nose up and with reverse, they just stay up in the air longer with less effort.
I personally cannot feel the difference in my hand between the Wizards and Warlocks when using a fan-grip or putter grip, only when I power grip.

We have a run of Super Stupid Soft Wizards that are proto-style, meaning they are like eraser rubber and really grainny feeling on the surface, not gummy like the last batch of super stupid softs, so it looks like we are going to have a gummy and a proto-style eraser run of the SSS!
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Old May 27 2007, 09:09 AM   #1279
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Are more soft glow wizards going to be run soon? I'm having a hard time finding max weight soft glow wizards online.

I have some. If you get there before everyone else reading this. They are going out faster than Chuck Liddell.

They arent loaded into the website, and Im pretty sure they are all max weight or close. I think there is 5 left. They have a green tint to them now to distinguish them from other Wizards.....and they are blank!

Try: store@ironliondgs.com if your in need!
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Old May 27 2007, 09:17 AM   #1280
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Thanks for sending those Warlocks up with Pat, David.

Im going out now to throw them around in the yard, later today at the course. So far, the stiff WHITE "E"s have to be my favorite. They feel as close to a true 1st Run CE Aviar as any disc Ive come into contact with since 01.

I also like the grey "E"s, and have one that Ive been banging off the outside wall of the shop. I dont know why, 25 drives into a brick wall from 15ft, and its still BRAND NEW.

I guess if you want to have the most indestructable plastic on the planet thats your problem.
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Old May 27 2007, 11:18 AM   #1281
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Hey Chase,
Did you get a chance to check out the Glow effect?
There is a heavy loading of the glow material They seem to be the brightest Glow so far, even with the green tint.

Did he bring up any of the Eraser SSS White Wizards?
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Old May 28 2007, 10:24 AM   #1282
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Did you get a chance to check out the Glow effect?
There is a heavy loading of the glow material They seem to be the brightest Glow so far, even with the green tint.

Did he bring up any of the Eraser SSS White Wizards?

You can see the glows through the shop window at night.

They are , by far, the best glow discs on the market.


Im not sure, but think he showed me a few of those yesterday. Ill be seeing him again at some point today.
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Old May 31 2007, 08:06 PM   #1283
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I'm on vacation in the smoky mountains this week so I took a blurr and threw it off one of the mountains. Put tons of anhyzer on it and watched it fly forever!!! I felt bad because I was littering but it was amazing.
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Old Jun 04 2007, 01:37 AM   #1284
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Are there any plans to run the Diablo DT in SRP plastic? The grip and added stability the SRP gave the RIDTs was great and I'd like to see it in the diablo.
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Old Jun 04 2007, 08:26 AM   #1285
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Still asking: When will the Diablo DT's be available to the general public ?
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Old Jun 08 2007, 10:12 AM   #1286
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We will be shipping the Diablo's to Auto ship customers on the week of June 18th.
If you know of a club or store that is interested in getting on the auto ship program please call the shop 314 487 5204 or email david@gdstour.com
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Old Jun 19 2007, 11:06 AM   #1287
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Is Marshall Street on that program?
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Old Jun 22 2007, 06:35 PM   #1288
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they will start shipping monday the 25th!

Yes ms is part of the A-s Program
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Old Jun 23 2007, 05:26 PM   #1290
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I would say the Diablo's are closer to SRP than the regular Evolution pro line we run here in St Louis, as the they are run at the chicago plant.
Both blends use the same basic polymers, with ratios and injection profiles being somewhat different.
We use about 10% of an (original CE type material) in the E that makes them a bit less flexible!
Lots of the newer players do prefer the flexible gummy feel and the durability winds up being pretty close to the same.
It's more the sharper nose radius and thinner flight plates that could allow these type of drivers to break in a little quicker than discs with broader noses and thicker flight plates!
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