Virginia Disc Golf

[Parkntwoputt]

I have to ask, what did you think of paw paw? The courses, the area, the people?

I talked about my experience with Paw Paw on the Courses thread under the Private Courses topic. But I will expand on your other questions.

The people are great, but I really have yet to meet disc golfers (enmass) that are not great.

The area? Very remote, I thought my lil' hybrid was going to die going up and down that mountain.

Overall, I liked the designed intent of both of the Paw Paw courses, there is the possibility and potential to create really great disc golf out there. However... I will not be back unless there is some chainsaw TLC taken to about 6-8 holes out of the 36.

Personally, those few holes are what I would not consider disc golf holes. I could go into depth with what I have learned about course design by some of the top guys in the biz, but this is not the place for it.

BUT!

There are a few holes that I thought were absolutely great. #13 on the Woodshed (I believe that is the number.) It is the 556ft hole shooting down and up a slight valley with a line of trees blocking the remaining 100ft of the hole.

And the holes which I could not stand, imo if a fairway was carved through the trees they could be some of the best wooded holes I have ever played.

I think it is a great thing that Spencer has done with his land, if only more people would do that too.

The author of these statements would like to state that these comments are not directed as an insult to any party envolved with the Paw Paw tournament, course design, or course installation and maintenance.

[Sharky]

However... I will not be back unless there is some chainsaw TLC taken to about 6-8 holes out of the 36.

Thanks for the review and BTW we won't hold you to the above statement.

[MiTTenZZ]

Hey Biscoe, go buy some music from the band Trivium, you'll love it! Ignore the fact I brought you Iced Earth...but really, get Trivium.

[WVOmorningwood]

Mr TwoPutt thanks for the review...we at the Woodshed had to make up our own rules for course design in 1993 and 1994 as we were poised to change the way DG courses were built.

all that existed were little pitch a putt courses.

A few of our design philosophies are as follows:

1. Far as you can throw, twice, plus twenty feet...for length

2. You can cut a tree down...you can't put one back.

there are many other rules we went by, but these will let you know why things are the way they are.

There was no design rules in 1994...and Chuck Kennedy may have still been an AM? Think back...we were using the new plastic for distacne called a "whippit".

WE Changed the way DG courses were viewed and designed.

[ck34]

There were no design rules in 1994...and Chuck Kennedy may have still been an AM?

There were the Steady Ed design rules which of course were mostly along the pitch and putt lines. Those rules did include removing sufficient trees for "fairways." Ed helped me with my first design at North Valley in 1989 which daringly had several par 4s for its time. I had already been in a few Worlds as a Master Pro by 1994 and late that year, the Disc Golf Course Designers group was formed.

While there may not have been an organized set of contemporary design guidelines in 1994, they've now been there for quite a while. What's the excuse today? The problem isn't adding trees which takes time (although several holes could actually use a few), but taking a few out. I asked a local Paw Paw player in my group what Spencer's specific reason was for the pattern of trees that were cut and were not cut on Whippin' Post #4 which was very new at the time. He paraphrased the design philosophy as: "Spencer first looks over the pattern of trees and determines which ones will mess (actually used another word) with the players the most. Then, he cuts down the other ones." Of course, that's a design philosophy, and it's consistently applied in several places, and it's his property. I fully defend an owner's property rights to design how they please.

[discgeez]

all that existed were little pitch a putt courses.
Mark, Seneca was in the ground at that time.

[Chris Hysell]

Who makes whippits? Innova makes whippets.

[august]

Think back...we were using the new plastic for distacne called a "whippit".

And according to Mark you can throw them a long distacne .

Chris, surprised you missed that one. You really are retired.

[Chris Hysell]

I didn't miss it. I let it slide. It was obviously wrong. I figured it was some bad memory of Mark's teenage acne.

[WVOmorningwood]

Mark, Seneca was in the ground at that time

Like I said...all there were, were pitch and putt courses.

And the rest of you all I have to say is... "My english teacher stayed me back".

[johnbiscoe]

Golden Horseshoe Open Hawk Hollow 7/15 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

Spotsy Summer Open Loriella 7/16 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

The combination of these 2 events will qualify the VA rep to the USDGC. Players wishing to qualify pay $10 extra which goes towards the qualifying player's entry to usdgc. Qualifying open to VA residents only.

There will also be texas hold 'em at my place the evening of the GHO.

email jbiscoe2@earthlink.net for more info.

[ronturner]

does the winner of the poker tournament get a usdgc spot also?

[johnbiscoe]

no, that would be the wsop spot.

[august]

Folks, I know this is going to sound strange coming from the course designer/builder, but....

I am asking all golfers to boycottt New Quarter Park Disc Golf Course.

The County has succumbed to pressure from a nature preservation group to stop mowing the grass at the park, including the disc golf course. I have explained to them that people are not going to pay $25 per year, much less $3 per round to play a course that has calf-high grass (in some places it's waist high), I have made several requests to have the grass mowed, all of which have fallen on deaf ears.

So I'm asking everyone, especially those of us in Hampton Roads, to refrain from playing at New Quarter until you hear from me that the matter has been resolved.

If no one plays the course, they will hopefully get the message.

[Dick]

my .02( not that you asked) is that they won't notice or care. better to have disc golfers stop by, call, or write and ask when the grass will be cut and express their worries about getting lyme disease. maybe the worries of getting a possibly fatal disease from a county park would help. make sure to try not to be mean or demanding about it, rather express concern and maybe express how much you do like the course when it is mowed.

[Parkntwoputt]

Of course, that's a design philosophy, and it's consistently applied in several places, and it's his property. I fully defend an owner's property rights to design how they please.

Fully agreed, I only wish I had the land and the resources to build my own disc golf course(s). Heck, if I had a championship course or two in my back yard, I probably would never leave, and then never give a flying flip what other people think about it.

Like I said, my statements were only my personal opinions. I was never trying to offend anyone or make Spencer redesign his courses, they are of course his courses.

And the comment about Seneca being pitch and putt? Maybe from the short pads, but from the pro pads, even with many of the holes being "reachable" by pros, does not make them pitch and putt. If that was the case, any hole less than 500ft would be considered pitch and putt.

[hvnafit]

was thinking of maybe stopping buy to play on Monday. I guess that will not happen now. It took several calls and e-mails to get Gellies grass cut. It must have worked it is being cut on a regular basies now.


Evil
I like the tick thing!!!!!

[mdgnome]

An e-mail addy would be helpful.

Seneca Creek State Park in MD allowed volunteers(discers) to go through a litte training on their mowers, thus allowing them to cut the course.These days the rangers are involved and open with us,but having a club helps!

[Chris Hysell]

by, Gillies, basis

[august]

Perhaps they won't notice. But since I also work for this County (in another department), they are a bit more aware than the average local government.

The requests to cut the grass have not worked. Initial traffic at the course was high. Since you have to sign in to play (eventually it will cost you), they should notice the reduction in traffic.

I'll try the lyme disease angle.

[august]

Well, the lyme disease angle worked (thank you Dr. Evil).

Parks and Rec called. The course is closed until after July 4 at least. One can imagine that York County, VA, where Cornwallis surrendered British forces to the Americans, is a busy place on July 4. All grass cutting has been focused on the historic battlefields.

Sometime after July 4, the grass at New Quarter will be cut every other Thursday or Friday.

[johnbiscoe]

sweet, good work mike and evil.

[johnbiscoe]

Golden Horseshoe Open Hawk Hollow 7/15 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

Spotsy Summer Open Loriella 7/16 2 rounds pros $20 ams $10

The combination of these 2 events will qualify the VA rep to the USDGC. Players wishing to qualify pay $10 extra which goes towards the qualifying player's entry to usdgc. Qualifying open to VA residents only.

There will also be texas hold 'em at my place the evening of the GHO.

email jbiscoe2@earthlink.net for more info

[Zilla]

Well this sounds like i might just have to try and qualify for this .Will Hurley be there?
I will do my best to make it there and try Duck Golf this weekend.
Poker 2 it will all have 2 wait till further in the week to decide

[MTL21676]

I'm thinking about coming up for Hawk Hollow and Loriella - I've only been to Loriella twice and I really liked and Hawk Hollow needs no explination

[Plankeye]

Had a chance yesterday to head up to Danville to play a round up there.

The 9-hole course is a little warmup for the new course that was recently installed on the other side of the park.

If you haven't been to see the new course yet, I suggest going down there, but don't go alone. Several of the holes needs some traffic to knock down weeds so if you don't see where your disc lands(several blind holes) then you will be looking for a while.

It is a mixture of open and wooded shots. There are a lot of birdiable holes, but there are also holes that you can easily get a 4 or 5 if you get off of the fairway.

My favorite holes on the course are holes 3, 5, and 18.

Things that will be improved soon(I hope)

[*]Tee Signs - Visible Metal poles mark the current location of the tess signs are going to be installed soon.[*]Tees - A few tees need to leveled off. Most of them are ok, but there are a few that have a sharp incline or decline .[*]Weeds and Foliage - Grass and weeds need to be cut or "Rounded-Up"[/list]
Other than that, it is a great course IMHO. If you go there, the first tee is located near shelter area 7 across from the baseball field. Then the tees after that are normally visible. If it isn't visible from the basket, look for a path or orange arrows painted on the ground. There is a lot of eleveation change on several of the holes so going early in the morning would be the best option until the fall.

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[johnbiscoe]

QUACK QUACK QUACK

[jhovey]

John,
Can you tell me if there are any mini tournaments going on during the week in and around Sterling or Centerville?

[johnbiscoe]

there are doubles tuesday, wednesday and thursday at various courses, link below.

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