Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!!

Sorry if this has been asked before but when are the SB Teebirds supposed to be released?

Ill4mation: from the other page:

Dave said:

Jaymo, I wish they were out right now, but they are going to have to wait several weeks for production. I have been testing one for about a week and I like it. It is stable like a good candy, and it feels a little more grippy.

-Scott Lewis
p.s. I can't wait for them.. They might even replace my 11x teebirds.

[jaymo]

totally... I think the SB plastic will be most important for those discs designed more for accuracy, than distance, like the teebird, and some midranges...

Feel and touch are so important to me.

[davei]

So far, I have tested SB in TeeBirds, Sharks, Rocs, Wraiths, StarfireL, Valkyries, Roadrunners, and Sidewinders. And thrown the Orc. TeeBirds, Sharks, Rocs, Wraiths, and Valkyries all seem to fly like normal candy. The Orcs, Roadrunners, and Sidewinders seem a little more stable with the Sidewinder having the most change to stable.

First time poster, long time lurker.

I would donate a lung and 3 toes for a short stack of SB Starfire-L's.

At this point, I'm looking for any Starfire-L's I can get.

Dave, 2 questions.

1. Can you comment on the differences in the design, and purpose, of the 2 CFR Starfire molds as they are being produced today?

I have examples of both discs, and have thrown them plenty - even an Ace at Idlewild with my beloved Starfire-L. I'm just not sure where the the other Starfire fits in my bag - I think it has a VERY different shot shape vs. the Starfire-L. I would love to see Innova produce a chart that distinguishes the two Starfire flights next to each other, just like you do for all the drivers of a certain speed.

And,

2. Do you know where I can find some CFR Starfire-L's at the new $15.99 CFR price? My next local tournament is getting some Starfires in, but they are Inncolors, and they're looking way too pretty to throw! Great job with the KY States discs, Innova!

Thanks for making some great plastic for me throw at trees, into lakes, and off concrete. I always enjoy misusing your products best.

Oh, the SB Orcs that I got - GREAT STUFF! The CFR Wraiths from Zonedriven....not so hot. I was the guy that robj was talking about, with 2 X-OUT discs shipped to me, for the regular price. They gave me another X-OUT, but that's not really what I ordered. I'll order from DiscGolfValues from now on.

[20460chase]

I swear that has to be a PRO Wraith NOT a champion Wraith. I threw about 4 of them out of Barry's stock when he received them. They are given to the Team Champion Players. It's nothing special just a custom stamp for the players. The champion wraiths Barry received were not stamped so I don't know why this guy thinks that is Champion plastic. I am pretty sure it is Pro Line.

Josh

No. Its Champion. FrizWiz knows what hes talking about. Sprague had some just like it last month.

Thats great that your testing all those discs in special blend plastic. Keep it comming. Heres a question: you have stated that the SB Tbirds will be in stardard production, but is there any idea where they and any other standard run SBs will fall on the price charts? Same as Champion? Same as Pro? More than both? Or a special blend of Champion and Pro pricing? :
confused:

I'm not actually confussed. Unless you consider me not knowing how to post the little face that has the question marks above it and have it come up as the face not the word confused.

Choke Artist:
I think Dave already stated that they would be a regular produced disc. if so it would be subject to the regular pricing of Champion plastic which is actually 15.99 MSRP.. but will probably sell for 12-13 at most stores/vendors like regular champ discs.

-Scott Lewis

[davei]

keith, the Starfire and Starfire L are fairly analogous to the TeeBird and TeeBird L. The regulars are more high speed stable with more low speed overstability. The Ls are straighter with a slight high speed turn more carry and less low speed overstability. The only place I know for sure to get Starfire L CFR X parts is discgolfvalues. You could ask Mark there if he knows of any CFR Starfire L regulars. He gets back from vacation at the end of this week.

[davei]

choke artist, greatzky is right about the pricing

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave-What makes some Orcs more stable than others? I have a super clear, poppy Orc that is wayyyy stable. Yesterday I broke my distance barrier and put it out to about 470. Every other Orc I've had is way understable, but this...this is amazing. why? I've noticed alot of the see through Orcs have this trait.

[davei]

DS, if that Orc is a lighter weight, it may be a new plastic we have that has that effect. If it is a heavier weight, I don't know how it happened, but I have seen it in the past.

[cbdiscpimp]

I heard that all the clear POPPY top Orcs are that Stable to OVERstable. I was testing some out in AZ and Dave Feldburg grabbed one of my bed in the room popped the top and said "Pay Attention, Pay Attention, these are the good ones" It was hillarious and from then on every POPPY top Orc I have seen the person throwing it says its crazy stable to overstable and it always seems to be the clear ones. Just what I have found and what I have been told.

[evilee13]

Hey Dave D,

How do I get a job with Innova? I'm a chemical engineer and it would be amazing to work there. Sometimes I dream about how awesome that would be.

[jeterdawg]

I thought about this too since I'm really good with cost accounting, I figured that'd be great for a disc manufacturer. But then I realized that every time the prices of discs went up, I'd get stoned.

^^^
Just realized how that reads so I'll replace it with "bludgeoned."

[DreaminTree]

I sent my resume to all the major disc companies when I graduated in engineering... I got polite replies from Ching and Discraft, saying that they had no interest in new engineers. I was suprised they even replied, most companies dont even take the time to do that.

No. Its Champion. FrizWiz knows what hes talking about. Sprague had some just like it last month.

Are you sure the ones Sprague had were Champion? Because Haney (Team Champion), Leonard (Team Champion), Johansen (Team Innova), and Schweb (Team Champion) have Wraiths that are identical in color and have the same hotstamp as the one FrizWiz is selling, and the ones they have are all Pro. Also, Larry Leonard and Michael Johansen were throwing CFR Wraiths at the Sneeky Pete (A-Tier) this past weekend, but the ones they were throwing were clear, not opaque.

[vwkeepontruckin]

Are you sure the ones Sprague had were Champion? Because Haney (Team Champion), Leonard (Team Champion), Johansen (Team Innova), and Schweb (Team Champion) have Wraiths that are identical in color and have the same hotstamp as the one FrizWiz is selling, and the ones they have are all Pro. Also, Larry Leonard and Michael Johansen were throwing CFR Wraiths at the Sneeky Pete (A-Tier) this past weekend, but the ones they were throwing were clear, not opaque.

I saw the one Sprague's been throwing, and its Champion.

And anyways, isn't CFR plastic the exact same as regular runs? (Excluding Glow CFR of course)

[flynvegas]

I sent FrizWiz a email askig him. I'll let you know what he tells me.

[davei]

evilee13 and dreamintree, we don't have any enigineers on staff. All the college staff work in the office and sales. Mostly business degrees. You would be way over qualified to work in injection molding with me. No college degrees. Some HS degrees.

[davei]

flynvegas, I would be interested to know too. It looks like Pro to me too. Maybe it's a bad picture, but it should not be opaque candy. That would make it SB. That has not be released and the tests were only in blue and white.

Was that the floodgates I just heard?

And anyways, isn't CFR plastic the exact same as regular runs? (Excluding Glow CFR of course)

Not necessarily: CFR discs are limited edition discs that are models that are not available for sale in our regular product line, or they are models available only in limited runs of special Candy/Champion plastic.

Based on past usage it appears that, with the exception of the Champion (aka USDGC) Roc, the moniker "Champion" is used to designate discs that are available as regular production discs. That being the case, listing a CFR disc as being "Champion" is bad both from a seller's point of view (because it fails to leverage a chief selling point: collectibility due to its limited number and availability, thereby potentially holding down the price) and a buyer's point of view (because a bidder might bid less than s/he might otherwise if s/he thinks s/he'll be able to pick one up a her/his local retailer for $12-13 is a couple of weeks).

flynvegas, I would be interested to know too. It looks like Pro to me too. Maybe it's a bad picture, but it should not be opaque candy. That would make it SB. That has not be released and the tests were only in blue and white.

Uh ... Chase, DDH ... you might want to check with Sprague again whether that disc's really a Champ Wraith.

[claya]

Sprague's is champion I've seen it too, it's not opaque though. It's clearish like Dave is implying.

[evilee13]

evilee13 and dreamintree, we don't have any enigineers on staff. All the college staff work in the office and sales. Mostly business degrees. You would be way over qualified to work in injection molding with me. No college degrees. Some HS degrees.

If there are no engineers on staff, who troubleshoots the equipment?, who tracks trends in data to see if equipment isn't working properly?, who removes bottlenecks?, who researches new technologies to make discs?

It seems that there are some pretty large variances between runs of discs that affect their flight. Anything from "poppy" orcs and the "dominess" of one disc compared to another. It seems to me that these discrepancies between runs good be reduced with a better engineered process.

So, I'm officially offering my services to be the staff engineer. I only require a modest engineers salary, and some free discs. I'll even take the x-out discs. Also, one of my job responsibilities will be to go out to the course and test new equipment.

There has to be a course on the Innova campus. A championship course with rolling hills, lush fairways, perfectly manicured foliage. A place where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. If it's actually more like a rundown warehouse in the middle of an industrial park, don't tell me, don't ruin my dream!

[DweLLeR]

Also, one of my job responsibilities will be to go out to the course and test new equipment.

There has to be a course on the Innova campus. A championship course with rolling hills, lush fairways, perfectly manicured foliage. A place where the beer flows like wine, and the women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. If it's actually more like a rundown warehouse in the middle of an industrial park, don't tell me, don't ruin my dream!

Wow! OK! So Im not the only ONE?!? I feel better now......I thought I was the only one that had that dream?!?

Funny stuff man!

[20460chase]

Was that the floodgates I just heard?

Dave when will the Wraith be released in Special Blend plastic, and will it be part of the CFR program or just a regular release? Thanks.

[20460chase]

Uh ... Chase, DDH ... you might want to check with Sprague again whether that disc's really a Champ Wraith.

It was clear plastic. It was awhile ago, but Claya probably played with him last weekend. Nice weekend, BTW Claya.