Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! - Page 41

scottcwhite · Sep 29 2005, 01:11 PM

Dave,
It seems like innova is starting to produce a bunch of CFR Glow plastic (Eagle, Firebird, Orc, Starfire, Roc, etc.). Glow season is coming up, & now we finally have some glow discs that are similar to what we actually throw during daytime rounds.

Does this plastic glow better or longer than the standard DX plastic? Or is it about the same, or shorter? Thanks!!

davei · Sep 29 2005, 01:39 PM

catchafire, it's the same stuff as the DX glow.

prairie_dawg · Sep 29 2005, 04:00 PM

I wonder if the plastic differences could retard the rate of the electrons going back to their natural state and prolong the glow

accidentalROLLER · Sep 29 2005, 04:33 PM

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I wonder if the plastic differences could retard the rate of the electrons going back to their natural state and prolong the glow

The life of electrons in an excited state is a property of the material. The only way to get them to glow longer without implanting mild radioactive materials would be to eliminate all external stimulants. So if you want your discs to glow longer, don't throw them. Also, glow discs work better in colder weather as heat is a form of radiation. Even at night there are many sources of radiation. If something is not either absorbing or reflecting light (i.e. radiation), you can't see it (why outerspace is black).

omegaputt · Sep 29 2005, 06:42 PM

Dave are you going to run a 2cd batch of the special blend orcs for am worlds.

I just got my 2 and I really want to throw at least 1. They look and feel sweet.

Thanks
Jason

davei · Sep 29 2005, 08:21 PM

omegaputt, yes. You can ask TwistedFlyer for the details. They are the distributor for the SB Orc.

thetruthxl · Sep 30 2005, 03:54 PM

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They say J-Bird Discs on top of the ring, and Innova Champion Discs, Inc. on the bottom of the ring. Its a 2 color stamp, probably from J-Bird.

DSpA- I've seen the Jbirds at the michigan finals this year. They don't say that in the ring around the top of his head. These are Rancho molds. I got into the sport after the original production of these (my 2nd disc was a small bird "stable mid range driver" labeled one) Do you know the value?

thetruthxl · Sep 30 2005, 03:57 PM

Dave,

Does the "roc" have a name or is he just the roc?

colin-evans · Sep 30 2005, 06:40 PM

Daniel Xavier

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stevemaerz · Oct 01 2005, 09:59 PM

Dave,
Forgive me if this has been previously asked, but are there any plans to run the coyote in pro and/or dx plastic.

Btw, you guys hit it out of the park with the coyote mold. This is probably the most impressive disc I've thrown in 18 yrs. I'm really old school and like the feel of dx so I was hoping to have a few dx coyotes to compliment my champions.

jaymo · Oct 02 2005, 01:39 AM

Hey Dave, when do you expect those SB tee-birds to be out???

Oct 02 2005, 03:02 AM

SB Coyotes?

davei · Oct 02 2005, 11:10 AM

steven, and robj, no plans for Pro Coyotes, but we will try DX and will definitely run SB at some point.

davei · Oct 02 2005, 11:17 AM

Jaymo, I wish they were out right now, but they are going to have to wait several weeks for production. I have been testing one for about a week and I like it. It is stable like a good candy, and it feels a little more grippy.

thetruthxl · Oct 02 2005, 11:23 AM

Dave,
sorry to keep bugging you about the ram....but
do you think when you run some this winter, you could run some in the DX glow plastic?

davei · Oct 02 2005, 11:36 AM

troof, that's probably not going to happen. I might get crazy and try candy. It would be limited, if it happened. Might try candy Python's too. That used to be one of my favotite discs. The brother of the Ram.

Oct 02 2005, 10:16 PM

Just got my SB orcs. SB plastic is the best plastic out there. Great job. SB classic rocs pleeeeze.

jaymo · Oct 03 2005, 03:43 AM

Dave I've got a question:

I have several white x-out rocs in a plastic I've never seen before. I got them from Mark at Discgolfvalues around the time the 2005 Super rocs came out. He called them X-out super rocs, but the plastic seemed slicker, and more durable. The mold was also a little sharper, on the edge.

I couldn't quite place the plastic until I felt the new SB plastic. It feels really similar.

so my question is; to your knowledge did you guys ever try to mold the standard Rancho Roc in white SB plastic (would have been around January of 2005 when I got them)

thank you very much sir...

davei · Oct 03 2005, 08:36 AM

jaymo, as I recall, the Super Rocs were a mix of Champion and Pro, with the emphasis on Champion.

luckyg71 · Oct 03 2005, 10:00 AM

Hey Dave

On Ebay somene is selling a Champion Wraith. I havent heard about you making these, only pro and CFR. Is this guy just wrong on Ebay??

Oct 03 2005, 10:07 AM

Here's a link to the auction he's talking about:
Champion Wraith

It's not the first one I've seen up for auction either.

DweLLeR · Oct 03 2005, 11:17 AM

Im willing to bet thats the first release of the Pro Line hes selling there.

So far, it appears a buddy of mine has the winning bid. If he gets it, Ill ask to get my hands on it and let you all know exactly what it is.

While on the subject of the CFR Wraith's; when we buy these are there supposed to be CFR certificates with them or not? I got CFR certificates with my SB Orcs, but didnt get them with my Wraiths.

esalazar · Oct 03 2005, 11:28 AM

That definately appears to be a proline wraith.. I have seen a few blue prolines with the same stamp as that. I believe innova sponsored players received some of those.

widiscgolf · Oct 03 2005, 11:45 AM

I swear that has to be a PRO Wraith NOT a champion Wraith. I threw about 4 of them out of Barry's stock when he received them. They are given to the Team Champion Players. It's nothing special just a custom stamp for the players. The champion wraiths Barry received were not stamped so I don't know why this guy thinks that is Champion plastic. I am pretty sure it is Pro Line.

Josh

Oct 03 2005, 11:49 AM

I saw someone testing out the champ one a few weeks ago....it had the mini star stamp on it.

thetruthxl · Oct 03 2005, 12:49 PM

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troof, that's probably not going to happen. I might get crazy and try candy. It would be limited, if it happened. Might try candy Python's too. That used to be one of my favotite discs. The brother of the Ram.

I would be happy (as you probably know already

) to play-test those and give you a very, very extensive report!

When you run rams over the winter, any plans on updating the hot stamp or will you stick with the old school? I've got some ideas if you want. pm me if youre courious

thanks again, dave!!!

flynvegas · Oct 03 2005, 01:13 PM

The Frizwiz is a top collector. Kurt should know what he's selling.

DweLLeR · Oct 03 2005, 01:51 PM

Oh, come on now......

Like it would be uncommon for someone to 'upsell' their product on ebay?

Correct me if Im wrong here but wouldnt the champion plastic be a little more 'see thru'?

davei · Oct 03 2005, 01:59 PM

dweller, you should have recieved a certificate with your cfr wraith unless you bought an X-out.

Oct 03 2005, 02:52 PM

I bought four (not X outs) and no certificate. I don't really care though.

Sep 29 2005, 01:11 PM	#1201
scottcwhite Community Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Scene Posts: 634	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, It seems like innova is starting to produce a bunch of CFR Glow plastic (Eagle, Firebird, Orc, Starfire, Roc, etc.). Glow season is coming up, & now we finally have some glow discs that are similar to what we actually throw during daytime rounds. Does this plastic glow better or longer than the standard DX plastic? Or is it about the same, or shorter? Thanks!!

Sep 29 2005, 01:39 PM	#1202
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! catchafire, it's the same stuff as the DX glow. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Sep 29 2005, 04:00 PM	#1203
prairie_dawg PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 1,033	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! I wonder if the plastic differences could retard the rate of the electrons going back to their natural state and prolong the glow __________________ Discing for a Cure events, Host one in your area! 2nd event McKinney, TX November 15th, 2009 Participating in the 2009 Charity Endowment Program

Sep 29 2005, 06:42 PM	#1205
omegaputt PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oklahoma City, OK BOOMER SOONER COUNTRY Posts: 883	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave are you going to run a 2cd batch of the special blend orcs for am worlds. I just got my 2 and I really want to throw at least 1. They look and feel sweet. Thanks Jason __________________ BOOMER SOONER

Sep 29 2005, 08:21 PM	#1206
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! omegaputt, yes. You can ask TwistedFlyer for the details. They are the distributor for the SB Orc. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Sep 30 2005, 03:57 PM	#1208
thetruthxl Community Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Home of the 2008 Worlds Posts: 973	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, Does the "roc" have a name or is he just the roc?

Sep 30 2005, 06:40 PM	#1209
colin-evans Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 281	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Daniel Xavier ce __________________ UP and at THEM

Oct 01 2005, 09:59 PM	#1210
stevemaerz Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: lancaster,pa Posts: 463	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, Forgive me if this has been previously asked, but are there any plans to run the coyote in pro and/or dx plastic. Btw, you guys hit it out of the park with the coyote mold. This is probably the most impressive disc I've thrown in 18 yrs. I'm really old school and like the feel of dx so I was hoping to have a few dx coyotes to compliment my champions.

Oct 02 2005, 01:39 AM	#1211
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Hey Dave, when do you expect those SB tee-birds to be out??? __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Oct 02 2005, 03:02 AM	#1212
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! SB Coyotes?

Oct 02 2005, 11:10 AM	#1213
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! steven, and robj, no plans for Pro Coyotes, but we will try DX and will definitely run SB at some point. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 02 2005, 11:17 AM	#1214
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Jaymo, I wish they were out right now, but they are going to have to wait several weeks for production. I have been testing one for about a week and I like it. It is stable like a good candy, and it feels a little more grippy. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 02 2005, 11:23 AM	#1215
thetruthxl Community Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Home of the 2008 Worlds Posts: 973	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, sorry to keep bugging you about the ram....but do you think when you run some this winter, you could run some in the DX glow plastic?

Oct 02 2005, 11:36 AM	#1216
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! troof, that's probably not going to happen. I might get crazy and try candy. It would be limited, if it happened. Might try candy Python's too. That used to be one of my favotite discs. The brother of the Ram. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 02 2005, 10:16 PM	#1217
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Just got my SB orcs. SB plastic is the best plastic out there. Great job. SB classic rocs pleeeeze.

Oct 03 2005, 03:43 AM	#1218
jaymo Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 458	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave I've got a question: I have several white x-out rocs in a plastic I've never seen before. I got them from Mark at Discgolfvalues around the time the 2005 Super rocs came out. He called them X-out super rocs, but the plastic seemed slicker, and more durable. The mold was also a little sharper, on the edge. I couldn't quite place the plastic until I felt the new SB plastic. It feels really similar. so my question is; to your knowledge did you guys ever try to mold the standard Rancho Roc in white SB plastic (would have been around January of 2005 when I got them) thank you very much sir... __________________ You won't eat our meat, but you GLUUUUE with our feet.

Oct 03 2005, 08:36 AM	#1219
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! jaymo, as I recall, the Super Rocs were a mix of Champion and Pro, with the emphasis on Champion. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 03 2005, 10:00 AM	#1220
luckyg71 Community Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 86	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Hey Dave On Ebay somene is selling a Champion Wraith. I havent heard about you making these, only pro and CFR. Is this guy just wrong on Ebay??

Oct 03 2005, 10:07 AM	#1221
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Here's a link to the auction he's talking about: Champion Wraith It's not the first one I've seen up for auction either.

Oct 03 2005, 11:17 AM	#1222
DweLLeR Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 463	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Im willing to bet thats the first release of the Pro Line hes selling there. So far, it appears a buddy of mine has the winning bid. If he gets it, Ill ask to get my hands on it and let you all know exactly what it is. While on the subject of the CFR Wraith's; when we buy these are there supposed to be CFR certificates with them or not? I got CFR certificates with my SB Orcs, but didnt get them with my Wraiths.

Oct 03 2005, 11:28 AM	#1223
esalazar Membership Expired Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: central texas Posts: 6,355	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! That definately appears to be a proline wraith.. I have seen a few blue prolines with the same stamp as that. I believe innova sponsored players received some of those. __________________ !!!!REST IN PEACE Ricky Wright !!

Oct 03 2005, 11:45 AM	#1224
widiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Bend, WI Posts: 2,144	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! I swear that has to be a PRO Wraith NOT a champion Wraith. I threw about 4 of them out of Barry's stock when he received them. They are given to the Team Champion Players. It's nothing special just a custom stamp for the players. The champion wraiths Barry received were not stamped so I don't know why this guy thinks that is Champion plastic. I am pretty sure it is Pro Line. Josh __________________ www.widye.com www.ozdgc.com www.gldgc.com

Oct 03 2005, 11:49 AM	#1225
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! I saw someone testing out the champ one a few weeks ago....it had the mini star stamp on it.

Oct 03 2005, 01:13 PM	#1227
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! The Frizwiz is a top collector. Kurt should know what he's selling.

Oct 03 2005, 01:51 PM	#1228
DweLLeR Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elkhart, IN Posts: 463	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Oh, come on now...... Like it would be uncommon for someone to 'upsell' their product on ebay? Correct me if Im wrong here but wouldnt the champion plastic be a little more 'see thru'?

Oct 03 2005, 01:59 PM	#1229
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! dweller, you should have recieved a certificate with your cfr wraith unless you bought an X-out. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

Oct 03 2005, 02:52 PM	#1230
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! I bought four (not X outs) and no certificate. I don't really care though.

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