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Hey Dave, how different is the Coyote from a QMS -- both in terms of flight characteristics and in terms of the mold?

[davei]

robj, the mold is similar, and so is the flight characteristic. I would say that the QMS is between a Roc and the Coyote in flight characteristic. The QMS is more high speed stable than the Coyote, and more low speed overstable too.

[flynvegas]

Dave,
Have you heard anymore on when S. Johnson may release his new book? Thx

robj, the mold is similar, and so is the flight characteristic. I would say that the QMS is between a Roc and the Coyote in flight characteristic. The QMS is more high speed stable than the Coyote, and more low speed overstable too.

Sounds more like the Aurora MS -- which i really like. For some reason it's the perfect forehand disc for me.

if i can get you back on throwing understable plastic nose up to fly straight (rather thsan flipping) -- is the JK Valkyrie easier to throw nose up than the Sidewinder in terms of it requiring less finesse? (i think you once mentioned some discs which were less nose angle dependent than others...?)

[davei]

flynvegas, no I haven't heard anything for a while. He hasn't asked any questions either, so he might have gone to print. He's overdue from his estimation a year ago.

[davei]

robj, most drivers are nose dependent, especially low profile, sharper nosed drivers. It doesn't matter which particular characterist. A Monster is very nose dependent as is a Sidewinder. A Sidewinder can be thrown slightly nose up as the characteristic turn will allow it to bring its own nose down as it turns. The Monster is DOA with nose up, and will be going hard left (RHBH). In term of how much finesse a disc requires: I think it depends on the rate of turn and the domeyness of the individual disc. IMO, domey discs make better finesse discs as they are easier to read and fade back more predictably. It used to be the case that a domier disc would invariably have more high speed turn. But that is not always the case anymore with high speed drivers.

When will the BS leopards be out. Sorry if this has already been asked.

[davei]

The Barry Leopard won't be out for a while as we have to sell through our existing stock of previously stamped discs. Probably six months. Maybe less.

[20460chase]

The Barry Leopard won't be out for a while as we have to sell through our existing stock of previously stamped discs. Probably six months. Maybe less.

Was there any tweaking done to this disc, Dave? I really love the Leopard, but havent liked the newer plastic versions, and still only throw CE versions. Any chance in seeing the Leopard in the opaque plastic that the Eagles, Panthers, Banshees and a few others came in? Thanks Dave.

[davei]

Chase, no tweaking. Not sure which plastic you are referring to, but it is run in the same stuff. It's not usually opaque, but sometimes colorants make it opaque in yellow blue and red.

Dave, was there any tweaking done to the two time beast?
I have the watermelon color and it fades left. Seems more predictable than when I threw one a few years ago

[davei]

matchu, yes the Beast has been tweaked twice.

I just picked up a champion beast, it seems longer, more stable and thus more predictable than my dx beast. The champ. also seems like it may be a bit wider, I'm wondering if this is accurate and how to tell which version it is.

[davei]

The lastest version has the thickest nose. Not any sharper, just more meat through the center. Same width from rim to nose tip.

[Blarg]

How about the SE Leopards? Any chance of running some new ones? My buddy has one and the plastic seems to be super durable. He's been using it for about a year and it still flies very straight.

[davei]

Blarg, I am not sure which SE that was. It could have been the original candy material.

[prairie_dawg]

Which run of SE plastic was the original CE? I'm guessing it was a blend of the '99 SE with CE, is that correct? Was there a difference in the feel/grippiness?

Wow, I never knew.

Thanks for your reply to these mundane questions.

Ray

[davei]

The original CE was fairly stiff and opaque in heavier weights. SE was and is Special Edition. It could be made with any plastic, but is usually a Pro blend or candy.

[20460chase]

Chase, no tweaking. Not sure which plastic you are referring to, but it is run in the same stuff. It's not usually opaque, but sometimes colorants make it opaque in yellow blue and red.

Im referring to the plastic Ive been bugging you about for some time. First I asked about the newest Champion Eagles, ect. If you want to PM me your address, Ill send you one for a definite answer. I know it sounds funny, but Im serious.

hey dave,
thank you for your reply to my question about the whip.
My other question is about the Classic Aviar.
How many different types of classic aviars are there?
I have been using them for about 2 years now(about as long as i've been playing disgolf) and i've run across a few types.

The only ones that i play with are the Super STiff Small bead. They have almost no bead like an AviarP&A.
The other I have picked up was a softer version that was Big beaded. I didn't like these at all.

I just bought a PRactice set from zonedriven of classic aviars and came across about 3 different types in the 5 discs i got.
2 are exactly like my classic aviars(super stiff)
1 is a little softer
and 2 of them are soft like omega drivers.

Are there that many different types of classic aviars or all the small beads the same and they just vary in stiffness depending on drying conditions and such in the factory?

thx again for your replies and all your knowledge that you have in discgolf technique and discs.

-Scott Lewis

[thenatureboy68]

I love BB soft classic aviars. I have 16 of them. Since David said that there will be no more BB only stiff SB. But 16 will last me forever

[davei]

scott, we have in the past made many "feels" of small bead Aviars, but now we are only making a small bead classic we call the stiffy, and our Putt & Approach. In the past we have made small beads with several variations of plastic including the Omegas AP and SS. We dropped the big bead Driver, and replaced it with the small bead Classic which feels and flies most like the original Aviar. There are still three versions of big beads left: JK, KC, and Pro. JK is soft, KC hard, and Pro in Pro type plastic in between.

[timherring]

Hi Dave,

I hope you can help me out on this one, i am running the British Open this year and have been kindly donated some old discs, one of which i haven't the foggiest what it is other than it's an innova disc, this is what it says on it

1994 PDGA World Disc Golf Championships Pleasure Island, Port Arthur, Tx. this is the stamp, the weight is 179g and on the top it has 5 circular grooves all the way around and states on the top side that it is "Designed and produced exclusively for wham-o by Innova Champion Discs inc.

We are going to raffle this disc off but would like to let everyone know what it is and other than historical value is it worth anything? I can email some pictures to you, but haven't worked out how to embed them on this forum yet.

Thanks in advance

Tim
Only 10 spots left...

[flynvegas]

Sounds like it may be either a Whamo 44, 77, or 78 mold. The value will be that it's from the Worlds. $15 to $30 US.

[timherring]

Sounds like it may be either a Whamo 44, 77, or 78 mold. The value will be that it's from the Worlds. $15 to $30 US.

Thanks for that, how do you find out what mould it is? It would be nice to be accurate about what we are offering for people to win.

Tim

[flynvegas]

Is there a mold # on it like the old 40 & 50 molds had? If not it may be hard to describe, the 44 is 21.6 dia. the 77 and 78 is 21.7.

I tried Steve Hatwell's Worlds catalog and these were not in there for that year. http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/wdgc.html

There are pictures of these molds in other years, maybe you can tell from them.

[xterramatt]

Could also be an Apollo. The Apollo also had the 5 ribs and came up to 180 grams.

[flynvegas]

Just answered the question, it's a 91 mold. Look into the '94 Worlds.

[timherring]

Just answered the question, it's a 91 mold. Look into the '94 Worlds.

Yep, that's a good site with all the different discs from the worlds and yep mine is a 179 Wham-O 91 mold, yellow, should be a good raffle prize, thanks for helping, i also have a special edition 2001 Pro Worlds Z Reaper that looks very sweet that we are raffling also, all the discs will be on the site over the weekend for anyone that's interested, a big thanks to all the Southern National DGers who donated these discs.

Tim

[adogg187420]

Hey Dave, i just received two slightly used 10x Eagles in the mail yesterday. One is dyed, the other is all black with a hotfoil stamp. They have noticeably different rims. The dyed one has more of an Orcish rim, a little more curvy, while the black one is straighter and more blunt. Do you know anything about this? And if so, which would/should have more stability? Thanks.