Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!!

[gokayaksteven]

i'll take your word for it---but these feel EXACTLY like my pro plastic discs. same grip, flex, more domey etc. i likes 'em

[Smitty2004]

Dave-

Kevin Babbit is one of the hottest golfer playing right now. Top 4 at KC and some kick arse golf in Des Moines. He has always been nothing but the ideal Innova representative when I have been around him. When is he going to become part of team Champion?

[davei]

Smitty, I agree that Kevin is an excellent representative for us. Team Champion status is based on criteria we have laid out for the team. Kevin could probably tell you how close he is to moving up, but it is not easy. Multiple top finishes in A or NT are basically what it takes.

[20460chase]

What about Ed Burde? Hes 1000 rated and is one of the biggest fan favorites anywhere, anytime. Talk about a excellent representation of Innova.

[davei]

Ed is excellent as a player and person. I don't know about the other factors we take into account. It doesn't look as if he is touring much, I don't know if he plays with Innova discs predominately, and, there are other factors.

[omegaputt]

does Coda have a chance to move up to team champion anytime soon? This year?

[Parkntwoputt]

Well this is pretty good to know Dave. I had always wondered about when players become sponsored. Because I know it would be hard for me to give up on a few of my discs, most companies have generally similar discs, but there are a few Innova and even a few Discraft discs that I cannot live with out right now. I wondered, because eventually I would like to become a sponsored pro, granted not the level of Kenny or Barry, I am trying to concentrate on a career after grad school, but reach the level of Dean Tannock and Joe Thacker (even though Joe is not sponsored, he should be, but he just tore his achilles tendon), I think I would be happy competiting at that level. So it is glad to know that you do not force your lower level sponsored players to throw away some of their favorites, even though I imagine it is discouraged to throw a competitors discs when you are sponsored. Thanks for that info.

Omegaputt.. doesn't that requre that he wins an A-tier or NT event?? i thougth that was what defined a team champion.

-Scott Lewis

[omegaputt]

Im not sure, that sounds right i guess.

check innova's team website and click on the champion star next to the champion players.. it should define it.

-Scott Lewis

Dave -- have you run the new batch of gremlins yet? I've been waiting patiently! Also -- had a comment about the coyote: I have been throwing the CFR Aero that came out in 02 for a while and love the predictable flight. The coyote seemed to be comparable, However, the coyote, even in max weight is flimsy. Can they be made more stiff? With as little stability as they have, a few tree whacks with this flimsy plastic will make it worthless. I'd love to see the Coyote in a firmer blend of plastic like the old school CE Aero.

Make with the ProLine Gremlins!

Thanks.
A.J.

[davei]

Coda can move up real soon if he wins a couple of NTs. Otherwise he will have to work his way up like Kevin McCoy. Kevin has been poised to move up for a few weeks, but hasn't quite put himself over the top yet.

[davei]

AJ, no, we haven't had time to run the Gremlin yet, and it will remain pushed back as long as we are behind on the regular stock stuff. Sorry. We have not settled on exactly how stiff we want the Coyote. That being said, the plastic itself is very comparable to the plastic of the Champion Aero. The structure is different such that the Aero would feel a little stiffer, even though the plastic isn't. From batch to batch, there are perceptible differences in the feel of the plastics, even though they are labled and rated identically from the manufacturer. I hope, that the plastic doesn't do what you fear it might. If it does, we will definitely have to change it.

There was a noticable difference in the CE Aeros and the Champion Aeros in stability, and I believe it to be due to the flimsy nature of the newer Champion Aeros. I don't throw the Champion Aeros because of their lack of stability, and their gumminess. I truly believe you will have a true flying disc with the Coyote if you port it over into a firmer blend of plastic. Thanks Dave for your quick response... I will continue to harass you about proline gremlins though, no offense.

[davei]

AJ, no offense taken.

i'm with chase, ed burde is a good guy and would be an excellent addition to the team. i think ed throws mostly innova with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 discs. i just wanna see the Innova E-burd(e)

I don't think stiffer necessarily means more durable. look at the grand canyon and the colorado river. rock is stiffer; water more durable. Dave I am happy to hear the Coyotes are flexible. Don't gummy champion discs have good durability?

[quickdisc]

Cool ..............my Coyote flys great. Nice and straight.

If I throw with a bit of Hyzer , it holds !!!!

Long distance Turnover , no problem.

It is just stable.

Fun Disc to have Dave !!!!!!

Thanks !!!!!!!

[davei]

robj, yes the plastic itself is durable, but the gummy stuff, in the past, tended to mold up less stable to begin with. That could easily give the perception that it is less durable. We have a new plastic that corrected that in lighter weights.

[jugggg]

Hey Dave,

When is innova going to do another run of the coveted CE plastic? I've heard it will never be made again but I know innova has thought about it and how much revenue it could generate.

[Plankeye]

I've heard it will never be made again

It won't be made again because they ran out of the plastic. You answered your own question in the question.

Yea, don't feel bad. I asked the same question when I first started playing. Shame realy.

Now I will post another, why doesn't Innova offer a "trade in" program? Then when we beat up the old ce plastic to the point it is unusable they can set it aside, grind it up, and make small batches of "low run resurrected CE discs" like for the USDGC rocs. How cool would it be to have a USDGC roc in old school CE plastic, like the 2001? Is this plastic recyclable?

[davei]

Chariots, we didn't exactly run out. We are using the identical plastic according to the manufacturer, but it does seem to have changed slightly from the original batch. One thing we noticed was that it wasn't quite as stiff. That turned out to be a good thing as we were informed by the PDGA, that the discs we were making at the time were borderline too stiff.

[davei]

JoeT, the plastic is recyclable. However, it is most recyclable initially with unhotstamped bad original parts that havent been out in the sun and/or getting little dirt particles imbedded in the plastic. The UV tends to degrade the plastic over time. Also, it would take work to sort, and grind the plastic. Between this stuff and the freight to get it all back it would be more practical to recycle them some other way, like giving them to new players.

[20460chase]

Ed is excellent as a player and person. I don't know about the other factors we take into account. It doesn't look as if he is touring much, I don't know if he plays with Innova discs predominately, and, there are other factors.

Since I started the lobby: Dave, I played with Ed last week and hes still all about throwing Innova. I think I got him on the Bulldog as well. He has been selective about touring because of the Tye Dye business. He took 2nd at Peoria { Heeron won in the final 9} and was the only player to hit 3 1000 rated rounds. Hes a friend and ambassador to the game. Not that you dont sponsor great reps, but the only Pro Ive met thats even close to Burde in the sense of personality and being a fan favorite without National titles is Schweb. Thanks for the chance to talk about a great guy! Everyone who doesnt, should know Ed.

[jugggg]

It doesnt matter

If you throw enough R&D $ at it there is no doubt it could be made again.

Thanks though for trying to make my question look stupid.

It won't be made again because they ran out of the plastic. You answered your own question in the question.

Actually, unless one or more of the ingredients are no longer available or the formula has been lost, Innova could make more.

Dave mentioned in an earlier post that a not insignificant consideration that prompted the switch actually, not so much a switch as a tweak to the plastic blend) from CE to ProLine/Champion is that the CE plastic blend was borderline too stiff to pass the flexibility test (see PDGA Technical Standards). In light of that, I would presume is that, short of a change in the flexibility standard, we won't be seeing runs of "true" CE any time in the near future.

Dave, has there been any thought to a collaboration effort between disc manufactures to produce a fundraising disc for worlds or something of that nature? Seems as it would be great to have all the manufactures working together with ideas and sharing cost of these ideas.

food for thought

Dave mentioned in an earlier post that a not insignificant consideration that prompted the switch actually, not so much a switch as a tweak to the plastic blend) from CE to ProLine/Champion is that the CE plastic blend was borderline too stiff to pass the flexibility test (see PDGA Technical Standards). In light of that, I would presume is that, short of a change in the flexibility standard, we won't be seeing runs of "true" CE any time in the near future.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the PDGA flexibility test a safety issue and therefore it is highly unlikely they'll ever lower the bar? also, it seems like the post CE Champion line may have been much closer to CE plastic than we tend to think. the mystique of the CE hotstamp may be the secret

[ChunkyleeChong]

speaking of mystique, with the 01 Roc stamp resembling the old football stamp and the 02 Roc with the classic star stamp,How cool would it be to have the one of the stamps on the next batch of Rocs look just like the old CE stamp, just a thought