Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! - Page 2

davei · May 06 2005, 01:53 PM

Jason, not as far as I know.

mf100forever · May 07 2005, 06:42 AM

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mf100, yes there was one run of trackless Zephyrs. I am not sure how many we made, but it wasn't a big number. Possibly as few as 1000 - 2000. The only colors I can recall are white, and maybe yellow.

I have a gray one with the Innova bar stamp. I would love to find another! mf100, you have any you would trade or sell?

Sorry Scoob, no-one

, I´m looking for one, but there are not that many around, seen them just two times on e-bay in the lest two years!

PS I still use the Zephyr for forehand approach-shots up to 60m. Works very well for me! Love to see a test run in Pro or gummy-champ plastic

20460chase · May 07 2005, 02:45 PM

Hi Dave. In a previous question I asked about Special Blend KC Eagles. Is this the same or a similar plastic that was used on the Pro Line Gremlins? I have now seen many models in this type of plastic { Eagles, Banshees, Valks, Teebirds , Panthers,ect.} and like it very much. Could there be more discs coming out in this tyoe if blend plastic? Thanks as always.

davei · May 07 2005, 07:12 PM

Chase, I don't remember the exact blend of KC Pro Eagles, but I doubt that it was the same as Pro Gremlins. The KC Pro was a blend of candy plastic which is different from the Pro blend we use now, as you probably know. The only difference between the blend before and now would be less weighting agent, and whether or not we use opaque color.

20460chase · May 08 2005, 11:20 PM

These are the newest Champion Eagles. Im sorry, I reffered to them as KCs since his name is on there. 11x Stamp in the new Champion.

May 09 2005, 12:13 AM

well that's not technically the 11x stamp.. the Original 11x stamp was on the original "champion" or candy discs.. the old Proline stamp..
I understood what you meant, but for further discussion that will save the confusion.

-Scott Lewis
P.s. I've had other people call the new champions 11x and i had to return discs i traded because i only throw the old 11x Proline Teebirds. The plastic feels much different and the first few runs of the champion i got were the CAL mold and the 11x is the CA mold(which is a much sleeker mold it seems).

May 09 2005, 01:26 AM

Greets Dave!

Ive been thinking about The pro SF mold in candy alot and bet youve tried it. Was wondering if you have and how does it fly? The first run CFR SF seemed pretty close to the SF pro but not quite. You said you were concerned about the durability of it in the "L" config. Extremly cool of you to consider this especially with the higher price, but I for one think it could be a winner!

davei · May 09 2005, 08:46 AM

Roc Steady, we did run CFR Starfire Ls. They fly more similar to Pro Starfires than the original, but they are still a little more high speed stable. They probably most resemble a good candy Orc at high speeds with less low speed overstability.

Lyle O Ross · May 09 2005, 11:52 AM

And are you going to produce these? It is rare that I come out and say some disc is phenomenal in fact, I'm in strong agreement with those that feel most discs (in a given class) aren't that different. That said, the Pro Starfire flies perfect for my style. It isn't the best all around disc in my bag but for down wind or no wind situations I average about 30 feet farther with this disc. Sooooo, a Candy version with the same flight (and the CFR does not fly the same) would be awesome.

May 09 2005, 02:21 PM

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And are you going to produce these? It is rare that I come out and say some disc is phenomenal in fact, I'm in strong agreement with those that feel most discs (in a given class) aren't that different. That said, the Pro Starfire flies perfect for my style. It isn't the best all around disc in my bag but for down wind or no wind situations I average about 30 feet farther with this disc. Sooooo, a Candy version with the same flight (and the CFR does not fly the same) would be awesome.

ditto. if you need a test dummy to throw 'em, sign me up!

davei · May 09 2005, 07:57 PM

Lyle and Mr. Toad, they have already been produced. They will be available as CFRs very soon.

primetime · May 09 2005, 08:09 PM

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Lyle and Mr. Toad, they have already been produced. They will be available as CFRs very soon.

I can't wait!!

PT Woods
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Plankeye · May 09 2005, 09:08 PM

I just hope that yall did something to differentiate the SF-L from the other CFR starfires.

davei · May 10 2005, 08:29 AM

William, I the SFLs are marked SL instead of SF on the rim wall.

Plankeye · May 10 2005, 10:01 AM

Thanks Dave.

May 10 2005, 10:57 AM

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Lyle and Mr. Toad, they have already been produced. They will be available as CFRs very soon.

woohoo!!!! durability + glideability = winner!!!

May 10 2005, 11:30 AM

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Dave,
I have a problem/question about Innova. For the most part I love my Innova discs, never had a problem with them. I purchased a CFR TL last week online and it arrived by mail Monday. I had plans of keeping this in the bag and storing it as a collectable. When I inspected the disc, it has 4 large bubbles (touch bigger than the size of a BB) in the outer ring/wing of the disc. Now I'm a bit upset, this will definately degrade the quality of it as a collectable. Not even sure if I can use this to throw, if something punctures these bubbles doesn't that make the disc PDGA illegal? I tried contacting the party I purchased it from in order to exchange or refund it and they appear to be avoiding me.

I also purchased 2 SB and 2 regular 2005 USDGC Roc's this year. Out of those, 1 SB had noticable black marks in the center of the top and 1 of the regulars had several (over 6) black flakes in the plastic mix. I was planning on storing these as well but decided to throw the two defects. So, out of 5 discs, 3 have flaws. Please understand, I'm not trying to whine about this but when you spend $125 plus shipping on 5 discs and 3 out of 5 are defective it gets a bit frustrating. How can Innova let something like this out without it becoming an X-Out, especially a $25 Fund Raiser?

I would like to publicly thank Innova for resolving this matter. They are replacing the TL disc at no cost, even going as far as re-running the original stamp just for this one disc (told them not to, just give me any TL stamp, but they insisted). I should have the replacement before the week is out. Defective unit to be shipped back to them. Dave, it was Johnathan who took care of this for me. Harold was out of the office when I called. Thanks again.

primetime · May 10 2005, 12:03 PM

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William, I the SFLs are marked SL instead of SF on the rim wall.

What Tournament were they made for?

PT Woods
# 20431

May 10 2005, 12:12 PM

Dave, do you still run the JK Aviars in the firmer plastic or was that a mistake run? I like these quite a bit more than the really soft ones and there seems to be a lot of them being used, but they are getting harder to find. Everyone I talk to seems to have a different story on why some were made with the firmer plastic. thanks

rhett · May 10 2005, 12:57 PM

Dave, what does "SX" on a disc mean? I have seen it on very light discs that were supposed to be Starfires. Is there an overstable X-mold for the Starfires?

Plankeye · May 10 2005, 01:18 PM

Yeah...probably so.

MTL21676 · May 10 2005, 01:34 PM

Dave,

I have gotten my hands on some of the CFR Orcs and love thier flight.

Any plans on running large numbers of these like you did with TL's?

davei · May 10 2005, 02:26 PM

primetime, they have just been released and I don't have the info available yet. Sorry.

davei · May 10 2005, 02:31 PM

flick-n-putt, that was a mistake, but every run seems to have some of those. It might be a good idea to have a variant, which would be in-between KC and JK stiffness and marked as such. The latest run of JK is fairly soft, but not the softest ever. Very straight with less low speed overstability. This current run is hands down my favorite.

davei · May 10 2005, 02:33 PM

Rhett, that was probably the prototype mark for the latest CFR Starfires, or "second run" Starfires.

Plankeye · May 10 2005, 02:35 PM

Dave, I think he was thinking about the early 4x JK aviars...because they were STIFF. I mean if you hit a number plate with one it would put a nasty gouge in it.

I think you mentioned that the mixture was a mistake and fixed it and sent out new 4x's which were softer.

davei · May 10 2005, 02:36 PM

MTL, the CFR glow Orcs will only be available as CFR, but there was a pretty good amount of them made at the time. I believe they are one of our most popular CFR discs.

davei · May 10 2005, 02:38 PM

William, that sounds correct.

Boneman · May 10 2005, 06:12 PM

How can we tell if they [JK Aviars} are from the latest run? Living in the boonies, I have to order discs online. Any discription or markings I can use to ask for discs from this run?
And ... a CFR Starfire Ls ... SWEET! I love the Pro Starfire ... but the trees/rocks on my home course are killing the pro plastic pretty quickly. I will be looking to purchase a few of the CFR's as soon as they are available.

Lyle O Ross · May 10 2005, 06:19 PM

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Lyle and Mr. Toad, they have already been produced. They will be available as CFRs very soon.

O.K. cancel the order for the Pro Starfires, place order for extra CFR versions... Done!

Thanks!

May 06 2005, 01:53 PM	#31
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Jason, not as far as I know. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 07 2005, 02:45 PM	#33
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Hi Dave. In a previous question I asked about Special Blend KC Eagles. Is this the same or a similar plastic that was used on the Pro Line Gremlins? I have now seen many models in this type of plastic { Eagles, Banshees, Valks, Teebirds , Panthers,ect.} and like it very much. Could there be more discs coming out in this tyoe if blend plastic? Thanks as always. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

May 07 2005, 07:12 PM	#34
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Chase, I don't remember the exact blend of KC Pro Eagles, but I doubt that it was the same as Pro Gremlins. The KC Pro was a blend of candy plastic which is different from the Pro blend we use now, as you probably know. The only difference between the blend before and now would be less weighting agent, and whether or not we use opaque color. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 08 2005, 11:20 PM	#35
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! These are the newest Champion Eagles. Im sorry, I reffered to them as KCs since his name is on there. 11x Stamp in the new Champion. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

May 09 2005, 12:13 AM	#36
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! well that's not technically the 11x stamp.. the Original 11x stamp was on the original "champion" or candy discs.. the old Proline stamp.. I understood what you meant, but for further discussion that will save the confusion. -Scott Lewis P.s. I've had other people call the new champions 11x and i had to return discs i traded because i only throw the old 11x Proline Teebirds. The plastic feels much different and the first few runs of the champion i got were the CAL mold and the 11x is the CA mold(which is a much sleeker mold it seems).

May 09 2005, 01:26 AM	#37
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Greets Dave! Ive been thinking about The pro SF mold in candy alot and bet youve tried it. Was wondering if you have and how does it fly? The first run CFR SF seemed pretty close to the SF pro but not quite. You said you were concerned about the durability of it in the "L" config. Extremly cool of you to consider this especially with the higher price, but I for one think it could be a winner!

May 09 2005, 08:46 AM	#38
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Roc Steady, we did run CFR Starfire Ls. They fly more similar to Pro Starfires than the original, but they are still a little more high speed stable. They probably most resemble a good candy Orc at high speeds with less low speed overstability. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 09 2005, 11:52 AM	#39
Lyle O Ross PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas, where it floods, all the time Posts: 3,403	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! And are you going to produce these? It is rare that I come out and say some disc is phenomenal in fact, I'm in strong agreement with those that feel most discs (in a given class) aren't that different. That said, the Pro Starfire flies perfect for my style. It isn't the best all around disc in my bag but for down wind or no wind situations I average about 30 feet farther with this disc. Sooooo, a Candy version with the same flight (and the CFR does not fly the same) would be awesome.

May 09 2005, 07:57 PM	#41
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Lyle and Mr. Toad, they have already been produced. They will be available as CFRs very soon. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 09 2005, 09:08 PM	#43
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! I just hope that yall did something to differentiate the SF-L from the other CFR starfires.

May 10 2005, 08:29 AM	#44
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! William, I the SFLs are marked SL instead of SF on the rim wall. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 10:01 AM	#45
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Thanks Dave.

May 10 2005, 12:12 PM	#49
Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, do you still run the JK Aviars in the firmer plastic or was that a mistake run? I like these quite a bit more than the really soft ones and there seems to be a lot of them being used, but they are getting harder to find. Everyone I talk to seems to have a different story on why some were made with the firmer plastic. thanks

May 10 2005, 12:57 PM	#50
rhett PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ignoramusville Posts: 7,032	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, what does "SX" on a disc mean? I have seen it on very light discs that were supposed to be Starfires. Is there an overstable X-mold for the Starfires?

May 10 2005, 01:18 PM	#51
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Yeah...probably so.

May 10 2005, 01:34 PM	#52
MTL21676 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 9,690	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, I have gotten my hands on some of the CFR Orcs and love thier flight. Any plans on running large numbers of these like you did with TL's? __________________ Robert Leonard - North Carolina State Coordinator Playing worlds in 2012? Stick around and play the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship! An A Tier and only a 2 1/2 hour drive from Charlotte!

May 10 2005, 02:26 PM	#53
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! primetime, they have just been released and I don't have the info available yet. Sorry. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 02:31 PM	#54
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! flick-n-putt, that was a mistake, but every run seems to have some of those. It might be a good idea to have a variant, which would be in-between KC and JK stiffness and marked as such. The latest run of JK is fairly soft, but not the softest ever. Very straight with less low speed overstability. This current run is hands down my favorite. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 02:33 PM	#55
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Rhett, that was probably the prototype mark for the latest CFR Starfires, or "second run" Starfires. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 02:35 PM	#56
Plankeye PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,395	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! Dave, I think he was thinking about the early 4x JK aviars...because they were STIFF. I mean if you hit a number plate with one it would put a nasty gouge in it. I think you mentioned that the mixture was a mistake and fixed it and sent out new 4x's which were softer.

May 10 2005, 02:36 PM	#57
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! MTL, the CFR glow Orcs will only be available as CFR, but there was a pretty good amount of them made at the time. I believe they are one of our most popular CFR discs. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 02:38 PM	#58
davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,637	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! William, that sounds correct. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

May 10 2005, 06:12 PM	#59
Boneman Community Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 915	Re: Ask Dave D about Innova Here!!! How can we tell if they [JK Aviars} are from the latest run? Living in the boonies, I have to order discs online. Any discription or markings I can use to ask for discs from this run? And ... a CFR Starfire Ls ... SWEET! I love the Pro Starfire ... but the trees/rocks on my home course are killing the pro plastic pretty quickly. I will be looking to purchase a few of the CFR's as soon as they are available.

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