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[cgkdisc]

Not sure who won. I'm not involved with the NT point system. Looks like we need to wait for the announcement on the PDGA front page. I'm not sure Andrew was back from Vibram to make the official point tally and write the story.

[araydallas]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Not sure who won. I'm not involved with the NT point system. Looks like we need to wait for the announcement on the PDGA front page. I'm not sure Andrew was back from Vibram to make the official point tally and write the story.

Originally Posted by Patrick P

Who won the 2012 FPO NT title? The Vibram Open has both Cat and Val tied at 388 points. With Cat winning the Vibram Open, that should make her the winner. Yet Innova is announcing Val won.

http://www.pdga.com/nt-series-winners?

[discette]

Originally Posted by Patrick P

Who won the 2012 FPO NT title? The Vibram Open has both Cat and Val tied at 388 points. With Cat winning the Vibram Open, that should make her the winner. Yet Innova is announcing Val won.

Val was actually awarded the NT Champion trophy by PDGA Tour Manager Andrew Sweeten at the awards ceremony following the Vibram Open on Sunday.

Here is a link to a photo showing Val accepting the award:






The PDGA announced on Tuesday that Catrina was the winner after PDGA clarification of the NT tie breaker procedures. INNOVA has posted the updated results.

[steveganz]

Originally Posted by Patrick P

Who won the 2012 FPO NT title? The Vibram Open has both Cat and Val tied at 388 points. With Cat winning the Vibram Open, that should make her the winner. Yet Innova is announcing Val won.

Points were miscalculated on site at the Vibram Open Sunday afternoon. There was actually a tie for first between Val and Cat. Catrina Allen is your 2012 National Tour Champion by virtue of the first tie-breaker: head-to-head competition at the Vibram Open. http://www.pdga.com/nt-series-winners

Final Standings: http://www.pdga.com/national-tour/2012

[omegaputt]

When will the next ratings update be?

Never,ind just saw it on the front page. Sept 18

[Patrick P]

How come a player is not added to the registration list automatically when signing up for an event on PGDA?

[jconnell]

Originally Posted by Patrick P

How come a player is not added to the registration list automatically when signing up for an event on PGDA?

Because the registration lists are manual entry only. And I believe pdgastore.com and pdga.com are on separate servers which makes synching the two processes a bit difficult.

[steveganz]

Originally Posted by jconnell

Because the registration lists are manual entry only. And I believe pdgastore.com and pdga.com are on separate servers which makes synching the two processes a bit difficult.

Something like that.

pdgasignup.com is managed by a third-party and is not directly integrated with pdga.com. The current system periodically notifies the tournament director via email when there are new registrations and it is up to the tournament director to upload the current registration list to pdga.com.

One of our major projects in 2013 will be developing our own tightly integrated tournament registration service. When players register for an event using this new service they will immediately see their names on the registration list.

[Patrick P]

Originally Posted by steveganz

Something like that.

pdgasignup.com is managed by a third-party and is not directly integrated with pdga.com. The current system periodically notifies the tournament director via email when there are new registrations and it is up to the tournament director to upload the current registration list to pdga.com.

One of our major projects in 2013 will be developing our own tightly integrated tournament registration service. When players register for an event using this new service they will immediately see their names on the registration list.

Ok thank you, that makes sense and looking forward to the change. One of the events I played last year used a 3rd party registration that would show players registered immediately. It was helpful because the event filled up in less than 2 hours. This year the event is using pdga and I wanted to make sure I made it into the event. Crossing fingers!

[Patrick P]

Can players receive round ratings for X-tier events?

[cgkdisc]

Yes. It depends on the format. For example, charity events where only the payout is the reason for the X-tier, then no problem getting ratings. However, X-tiers where maybe mulligans are involved are not supposed to be rated.

[DurangoGolfer]

Glad I searched in this forum. Some guys were question the legitmacy of the Superhero I throw and it was nice to find out that not only is it approved but it is not required to have a stamp of approval on the disc.

Thanks for such an informative thread Chuck!

[bruce_brakel]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Wow, I barely got ahead of her this update.

Don't get caught standing still. http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/88595

OR, save yourself; it's too late for me.

[omegaputt]

Chuck,

How many points do you need to get an invite to the AM Worlds in Emporia this year in the Advanced Division? Last year I was only a few points short of an invite, and it was full before I could get in. I dont want to make the same mistake this year. Please Advise. Thanks.

[cgkdisc]

I'm not involved in the points calculations or setting the minimums for invites. That's Andrew's job at PDGA HQ. I'm not sure he can advise what the numbers will be since it depends on the number of events and points generated each year. It was the top 25% point earners in each state but I haven't checked if that's still the standard.

[omegaputt]

Thanks for the quick reply. I emailed him earlier, so Im sure he respond soon.

[Patrick P]

Has there been a discussion about keeping events unofficial until an upcoming rating update? For the longest time the issues I see with unofficial/official results of an event prior to a rating update are this:
1) Unofficial results show a projected round rating. ok cool!
2) Official results show that the TD has submitted the TD report, paid PDGA fees, and the PDGA has processed the report. ok cool!
3) Official results prior to a rating update do not show ratings. Not cool!

I think we can all agree that we want to see projected/actual ratings for an event irregardless if it's official or not official. We all like to see if the TD or PDGA has done their job so that the event will be included for an upcoming rating update.

So, is there any changes or plans in the works to get our icecream and cake too?

[krupicka]

This has already been solved:
Unofficial ratings stay present until the Tournament is official and ratings delivered.
Add /official to the end of the URL and you will get the pending official page. This will show that has been processed. Ratings won't be there until the update.

See this thread:
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=36444

[jconnell]

Originally Posted by Patrick P

Has there been a discussion about keeping events unofficial until an upcoming rating update? For the longest time the issues I see with unofficial/official results of an event prior to a rating update are this:
1) Unofficial results show a projected round rating. ok cool!
2) Official results show that the TD has submitted the TD report, paid PDGA fees, and the PDGA has processed the report. ok cool!
3) Official results prior to a rating update do not show ratings. Not cool!

I think we can all agree that we want to see projected/actual ratings for an event irregardless if it's official or not official. We all like to see if the TD or PDGA has done their job so that the event will be included for an upcoming rating update.

So, is there any changes or plans in the works to get our icecream and cake too?

Are you saying they should find a way to keep the unofficial ratings up until the official ratings are done, regardless of whether the tournament has been officially processed?

If so, they already did that. Ganz set that up a few weeks ago.

[Patrick P]

Originally Posted by jconnell

Are you saying they should find a way to keep the unofficial ratings up until the official ratings are done, regardless of whether the tournament has been officially processed?

If so, they already did that. Ganz set that up a few weeks ago.

Perfect, I recall there was some discussion to this. I'll enjoy my cake and ice cream now!

Tried it out and it works. I know it's probably asking for another serving of cake, but is it possible to get ratings to show up for official results before the rating update? :-)

[ERicJ]

Chuck, SSAs for the two rounds at the event below are less than a half a stroke apart. Any thoughts as to why the two rounds weren't combined?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/96986/Open

[cgkdisc]

If they weren't combined it was likely the TD report indicated they were two separate layouts. I'm on the road and can't check the TD report to see until Friday.

[Disckey]

Any reason why ratings weren't calculated for Sept 1-2 tournaments? Report was sent on Sunday the 2nd or Monday the 3rd I believe.

[Patrick P]

How did my rating change from yesterday? After the rating update it was 959, today it's 958. I checked all the round ratings when it was updated and nothing has changed. I calculated my rating at 959.2 which matched the rating update. So why the change? I know it's only 1 point, no big deal, but just want to know how it could change.

[cgkdisc]

There was an unplanned correction run posted overnight so maybe 30 players might have a ratings chnge by a few points.

I believe all events properly filled out and received by Tues Sep 4th got processed.

[Patrick P]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

There was an unplanned correction run posted overnight so maybe 30 players might have a ratings chnge by a few points.

I believe all events properly filled out and received by Tues Sep 4th got processed.

I know that Sweeney and team were correcting the Sun Valley Open Pool 2 issue (now fixed). I didn't see any changes in any of my round ratings. Is it possible that my rating was updated, and any changes to round ratings has not been updated either to the event page or player's 'rating detail' page?

(Sorry not trying make a big deal out of 1pt, just trying to understand the process and the rating change). Thanks.

[cgkdisc]

It's likely your per hole rating slightly changed on those rated rounds and when they were expanded, the decimal change just flipped you to one point different when rounded.

[sunrisensunrise]

The event below used mulligans. How can it be included in player ratings?
http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/79212/Open

[cgkdisc]

It shouldn't have gotten rated. I'll get it added to the corrections for the next update. Thanks for the tip.

[Patrick P]

In a recent event the results have the players in the proper order, but the number for the places is wrong and out of order: http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/96990

What causes this and how can it be fixed?