Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by Cooper

I agree that the marking is irrelevant, except insofar as it can help you find a particular run or increase the likelihood that you have a particular run.

So, what causes the marbling and can it be replicated?

As far as the marbled destroyers I've seen they are all pretty stable, have a moderately high dome, and seem to be stiffer than some other runs of star destroyers. It would be awesome if they were all like that.

The marbling is easily replicated, but the exact feeling and flight is not as easy. We can make discs that are purposefully flat, overstable, and marbled, like the Firebirds we are currently running. We are not really looking for overstable flat Destroyers so we use a different formula that hopefully gives us a stable, but not too overstable flight, especially in Star. We might make a run of Champion Destroyers a little more overstable. As far as consistency goes, we can only be as consistent as one batch of plastic. Once we order a new batch, it's a crap shoot.

[atreau3]

Hey Dave!

There is some big demand around the Totem Stamped Teebirds that your son designed...

Any chance that this design could be recreated for a fundraiser run? Many of us collectors

out there would love to see more of these!!!

[davei]

Originally Posted by atreau3

Hey Dave!

There is some big demand around the Totem Stamped Teebirds that your son designed...

Any chance that this design could be recreated for a fundraiser run? Many of us collectors

out there would love to see more of these!!!

Eric has been looking for stuff like that to put in the Factory Store. Give him a call or email. Be sure to mention what type of plastic as a retro stamp could could go on any plastic potentially.

[rizbee]

Dave -

Thanks again for Blizzard!!! My 150g Blizzard Katanas were go-to distance discs last week at the Beaver State Fling. Very predictable flight, putting me out on the fairway past most of my competitors. Nearly all of the players in MG1 were throwing Blizzard discs, and those that didn't probably are from now on.

I received two other Blizzard discs just before the trip to Oregon. A 149g Blizzard DD2, which (once I figured it out) became a great hyzer-flip turnover disc, very useful on some of the long Milo holes. The second one, a 147g Blizzard Krait is crazy overstable and very nose-angle-sensitive. The only way I could get a decent flight out of it was with a heavy flex line. I might try it with the Bonopane grip to keep the nose down.

Also, many thanks for the Factory Store. It's a good way to get some specialty discs out to the players. I picked up a gummy Valk and 2-ring Aviar that I'm very pleased with.

Keep up the good work!

Allen

[rizbee]

Also, I know you said that the Wolf didn't turn out well in Champion plastic, but can it be run in anything that has a softer feel to it? I love the mold, but almost all the Wolfs that I have found are run in a stiff DX. Maybe some Pro or R-Pro?

Also, how about a run of Gophers in a softer plastic? (Mmmmm...gummy champ Gophers...)

[davei]

Originally Posted by rizbee

Also, I know you said that the Wolf didn't turn out well in Champion plastic, but can it be run in anything that has a softer feel to it? I love the mold, but almost all the Wolfs that I have found are run in a stiff DX. Maybe some Pro or R-Pro?

Also, how about a run of Gophers in a softer plastic? (Mmmmm...gummy champ Gophers...)

Pro might work. We could also make DX Wolfs a little softer and grippier.

[rizbee]

Originally Posted by davei

Pro might work. We could also make DX Wolfs a little softer and grippier.

Pro would be great. A little softer/grippier and still great glide. I'd buy a stack.

[tarel]

Dave, would rw be an option for the wolf, or perhaps a flat leo in that plastic.

[JenniferB]

I noticed recently the newer KC pro plastic is softer than what I'm used to. Is that by design, or are you at the mercy of your plastic suppliers, as they change formulas to cut costs, for example? Have you ever thought about opening your own plastic manufacturing facility so you can control the formulation directly?

[davei]

Originally Posted by tarel

Dave, would rw be an option for the wolf, or perhaps a flat leo in that plastic.

Probably not for main distribution, but it could be something for the Store.

[davei]

Originally Posted by JenniferB

I noticed recently the newer KC pro plastic is softer than what I'm used to. Is that by design, or are you at the mercy of your plastic suppliers, as they change formulas to cut costs, for example? Have you ever thought about opening your own plastic manufacturing facility so you can control the formulation directly?

The plastic we order is exactly the same, so yes, we are at the mercy of the manufacturing facitlity.

We are way to small to have our own plastic manufacturing facility, but it would be nice.

[chrispfrisbee]

Dave, Any time-frame on a Dominator release?

[AviarX]

Hi Dave, I'm having trouble using the search tool -- sorry if this was addressed previously. Are the metal flake Champion Roadrunners only a cosmetic difference or are there any noted flight characteristic differences?

Also, to me personally Champion > or = to Star. While I do I prefer the grippiness of star, the champion seems more durable in that they break in slower and retain more stability over time... Is the extra price for Star due to the cost of material or ... ?

[davei]

Originally Posted by chrispfrisbee

Dave, Any time-frame on a Dominator release?

We just started running them, so I would assume the beginning of August.

[davei]

Originally Posted by AviarX

Hi Dave, I'm having trouble using the search tool -- sorry if this was addressed previously. Are the metal flake Champion Roadrunners only a cosmetic difference or are there any noted flight characteristic differences?

Also, to me personally Champion > or = to Star. While I do I prefer the grippiness of star, the champion seems more durable in that they break in slower and retain more stability over time... Is the extra price for Star due to the cost of material or ... ?

There are some anecdotal accounts of Metal Flake being a little more stable and my limited experience indicates the same. But, I am not prepared to say that it is a general trend at this point. I am just beginning to get to the point of throwing well enough to properly test these.

The extra price was due to several things, some of those, have gone away and they are priced closer than they used to be. Star is softer and grippier which dictates longer cycle times for Star. Our Champion used to be less grippy, but has gotten much better over the years. We are in the process of switching to a new Champion that seems to be even better for grip and appearance. That will put more pressure on the Star to be as grippy as possible. Look for Star to become softer and grippier in the future.

[gippy]

Dave,
I know this has been asked before, but any chance that Star XDs will be run any time soon? I have been looking for them and not having any luck any where. Please tell me the Factory Store will have them some time soon

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by davei

There are some anecdotal accounts of Metal Flake being a little more stable and my limited experience indicates the same. But, I am not prepared to say that it is a general trend at this point. I am just beginning to get to the point of throwing well enough to properly test these.

The extra price was due to several things, some of those, have gone away and they are priced closer than they used to be. Star is softer and grippier which dictates longer cycle times for Star. Our Champion used to be less grippy, but has gotten much better over the years. We are in the process of switching to a new Champion that seems to be even better for grip and appearance. That will put more pressure on the Star to be as grippy as possible. Look for Star to become softer and grippier in the future.

The metal flake Roadrunner I picked up yesterday does seem a bit more stable, but I have not thrown it a lot yet. It also has very sweet grippiness (Not gummy but a bit towards that side of the continuum).

I have talked to a few people and there seems to be somewhat of a limited, anecdotal concensus that Star and Champ should be on equal price footing or maybe champion slightly more expensive, but that of course is from a user rather than a manufacturing perspective (and seems to be mainly based on a perceived superiority of champ in terms of durabilty and break-in resistance -- when it comes to grip and glide Star seems to have the edge). And, if Star costs more to make then a higher price point makes a lot of sense.

In your opinion, was there anything special about the Tulsa SB Orcs? The blue ones I have (and I have almost run out of them) seem even more durable than Champion and have the great grip and glide. They are the one Stars I have thrown which I find more desirable than Champion. Fortunately I have several pearly Champ Orcs which I love as well.

Any plans for a 30th anniversary Aviar? Maybe similar to the 20th anniversary limited edition ones -- or -- maybe just a common small added stamp for *all Aviar models* run for 2013 like "30th year anniversary". (Not sure if that would be easier than re-doing a whole hotstamp or if re-doing hotstamps is much of a cost...)

Thanks for your time and input -- it is spectacular what you do here!

[JenniferB]

Regarding the difference in hardness of plastic batches you receive, is it possible to add a little if the glow additives to harden them up a little? Or does the glo plastic come with the additives already in it?

[davei]

Originally Posted by JenniferB

Regarding the difference in hardness of plastic batches you receive, is it possible to add a little if the glow additives to harden them up a little? Or does the glo plastic come with the additives already in it?

Glo is a powder added.

[lockhartkent]

Dear Dave,
You guys rock. Bubbles are sweet! Just ordered a dd2 hope it's nice. But what I really wanted to say was thank you sooo much for the champion zephyr. You just made my year!

[quickdisc]

Originally Posted by AviarX

The metal flake Roadrunner I picked up yesterday does seem a bit more stable, but I have not thrown it a lot yet. It also has very sweet grippiness (Not gummy but a bit towards that side of the continuum).

I have talked to a few people and there seems to be somewhat of a limited, anecdotal concensus that Star and Champ should be on equal price footing or maybe champion slightly more expensive, but that of course is from a user rather than a manufacturing perspective (and seems to be mainly based on a perceived superiority of champ in terms of durabilty and break-in resistance -- when it comes to grip and glide Star seems to have the edge). And, if Star costs more to make then a higher price point makes a lot of sense.

In your opinion, was there anything special about the Tulsa SB Orcs? The blue ones I have (and I have almost run out of them) seem even more durable than Champion and have the great grip and glide. They are the one Stars I have thrown which I find more desirable than Champion. Fortunately I have several pearly Champ Orcs which I love as well.

Any plans for a 30th anniversary Aviar? Maybe similar to the 20th anniversary limited edition ones -- or -- maybe just a common small added stamp for *all Aviar models* run for 2013 like "30th year anniversary". (Not sure if that would be easier than re-doing a whole hotstamp or if re-doing hotstamps is much of a cost...)

Thanks for your time and input -- it is spectacular what you do here!

YES !!!! Make it like the 2001 CE Version !!!!

[drdisc]

Anyone notice that the DD2 in Blizzard is a turnover disc ?

[futurecollisions]

Dave,

Can you tell us more about the upcoming release of Starlite discs? I know of the destroyers and bosses from the normal run of starlite, and they are very overstable, will the new release have the same characteristics?

[davei]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Dave,

Can you tell us more about the upcoming release of Starlite discs? I know of the destroyers and bosses from the normal run of starlite, and they are very overstable, will the new release have the same characteristics?

I don't think so. We are using a different system this time. More like normal Blizzard, I think.

[Cooper]

Dave,

Ever made (or thought about making) a Glow Classic Roc? It might be a nice little step up from the regular DX and I'm sure people would be interested.

[gvan]

Originally Posted by Cooper

Dave,

Ever made (or thought about making) a Glow Classic Roc? It might be a nice little step up from the regular DX and I'm sure people would be interested.

There are Star Classic Rocs available on the Proshop right now. Not glow, but premium plastic at any rate.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Cooper

Dave,

Ever made (or thought about making) a Glow Classic Roc? It might be a nice little step up from the regular DX and I'm sure people would be interested.

I am sure we have done these before, but probably dont have any left, and we didn't think of it last time the mold was in. We will do them again at some point. Thanks for the suggestion.

[jgilm]

Dave,
What's the stiffest plastic you're using? I'm looking for a disc that is LEAST LIKELY to distort.

[davei]

Originally Posted by jgilm

Dave,
What's the stiffest plastic you're using? I'm looking for a disc that is LEAST LIKELY to distort.

KC Rocs and Putters

[rickgz]

Hello Dave,

Another question about the Blizzard series.

So far I have a Blizzard Boss 154 which I really like for long consistent and predictable Hyzer shots. It is very stable to over stable. Then I bought a Blizzard Katana in a 154 and was starting to learn it and was throwing nice long "S" shots and then of course I lost it. I went and bought 2 more Blizzards a Wraith in a 150 which I am starting to learn as well and I think it will be a nice replacement for my lost Katana, and a Destroyer that has me baffled.

I also have a Champion Destroyer in a 172 and it has been a very predictable and stable to over stable power driver. I know it will finish with a fade to the left or I can Hyzer it more if need be. But this Blizzard Destroyer in a 150 is just crazy! It doesn't seem to matter how I throw it, but it turns over and anhyzers hard right indicating that it is very understable. A friend who is a bit better than me had the same experience. When we throw it, we laugh at the flight path as it just doesn't seem to behave like a stable to slightly over stable Destroyer should.

I have noticed that the bubbles are in the rim and not the dome like my Blizzard Boss and Katana were. The rim is also not very smooth with a rougher texture than any other disc I have. My Blizzard Wraith is similar but not as pronounced. Did I get a bad disc here? Of is there something else going on?

Many thanks,

Rick G