PDGA Sanctioned Leagues

[the_kid]

Originally Posted by jconnell

Oh boo freaking hoo. The world's got to revolve around you, huh?

I hope that if you're allowed to skip out on the PDGA sanction of the league, you're put in your own division/league, completely separate and uninvolved with those paying to participate in the PDGA league.

Because the Sanctioning Agreement states that by signing, the league director acknowledges that he must...

Well they are running two separate leafues in some respect and handle the payout their own way.

BTW I should be in my own division because I am rated 60pts higher than the next guy but instead the place me in ADV.

Not saying the world should revolve around me but I am trying to point out why many established tournament players may find these unappealing. This is not to say the rated leagues are a bad idea for 90% of players but I would assume their accuracy varies on a case by case basis.

The whole point of this is why league rounds are rated when in ALL cases they are not tournaments and in MOST they are nothing like a tournament.....besides the fact you keep score.

I could pick my card in one league and play with the same guys every week or get stuck with 3 guys rated 100pts lower in another.

Inconsistency is my issue when it comes to rating these rounds which, to many, aren't even competitive.

[krupicka]

I posted my first week of Leagues online, but the Show Round Ratings Button isn't there. Any ideas?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=13159

[cgkdisc]

Ratings are there now. I think when Ganz changed some of the settings to speed up the website, certain files that are just loaded on the site take longer to see now, especially in IE browser. The Show Ratings may not be seen right away within 5 minutes of posting for example. Normally, if you don't see the Show Ratings, it means there aren't enough props but you have enough.

[steveganz]

When using the link provided by Mike you would always get the latest version of the results immediately.

[krupicka]

I think what my problem was is I had the got the scores mismatched with the players when I was filling in the League spreadsheet (I have since corrected it). Is there something that in the unofficial rating calculator that realizes when the ratings of the players and the scores seem to not match correctly?

[steveganz]

Originally Posted by krupicka

Is there something that in the unofficial rating calculator that realizes when the ratings of the players and the scores seem to not match correctly?

Not that I can see. The only time ratings don't show up are when there aren't enough propagators.

[drumin5216]

Originally Posted by drumin5216

For the May ratings update, what happens if our spring league runs past the deadline for submission? We have an 8 week league and would be able to submit the first 7 weeks by the deadline, but the 8th week happens afterwards.

a. Do the weeks played prior to the deadline get counted?
b. Do all of the weeks get pushed to the next official ratings update?

It would be great to go ahead and get as many rounds as possible included in the May update. As a league director, this is a question that I am getting asked. Everybody's curious as to when these rounds will be included, and I haven't been able to give them a definitive answer.

Thanks!

Bumping this post to try to get an answer since the ratings update is coming up.

Thanks,
Clifford Smith
dgb league director

[jconnell]

Originally Posted by drumin5216

Bumping this post to try to get an answer since the ratings update is coming up.

Thanks,
Clifford Smith
dgb league director

Pretty sure you don't submit anything until the league has completely run its course. So the only way any league rounds get rated in the May update is if they have ended or will end by tomorrow night and are submitted on Tuesday.

[cgkdisc]

At this point we're not set up to process ratings for leagues that haven't completed all of their planned rounds. I hope we'll move toward that goal before yearend.

[krupicka]

I'm trying to enter week 6 and have a couple of new players. With the formatting of style sheets setup the way they are I cannot get to the checkbox for the new players thus they keep getting skipped. Any work arounds?

Using Firefox 12.0 and IE8 I get the same behavior.

[steveganz]

I'll get that fixed for you this evening and let you know as soon as it's taken care of.

[steveganz]

Fix is in place.

[krupicka]

Saw your changes when uploading for my tournament this weekend. Thanks for the quick response.

[drumin5216]

Originally Posted by krupicka

I'm trying to enter week 6 and have a couple of new players. With the formatting of style sheets setup the way they are I cannot get to the checkbox for the new players thus they keep getting skipped. Any work arounds?

Using Firefox 12.0 and IE8 I get the same behavior.

This is a moot point since it is fixed now, but the work around is to use your tab button. It will cycle you over to the check boxes that you can't see. I had the same problem, and that worked for me. Thanks for the quick fix guys!

[Leefou]

Hi, I am running a sanctioned league and we have had enough propagators until last night. We only had 3 propagators. I didn't think there would be preview ratings when I uploaded the scores but there was. I was wondering why?

Also the ratings are REALLY low. We have experienced lower ratings (as others have been reporting) but if these are SUPER low....an easier layout was played 2 weeks prior and shooting a 54 was rated 37 points lower last night.

Any info on how these ratings are being calculated would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Lee

Oh and here is the link to our results:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/91650&619145144

[cgkdisc]

The threshold for propagators has been lowered to 3 for doing unofficial ratings so more leagues could potentially see them on nights like the one you mentioned. However, the calculation process will produce wider swings in unofficial ratings. The official ratings process will combine all of the scores on the same layout so you won't see the swings.

[Leefou]

Alright thanks for the info! So only if the layout is the same will it "smooth out" the swings?

[cgkdisc]

Yes, although we have other manual techniques to balance things out if that one league day was on a unique layout and only had 3 props.

[Leefou]

Just wondering if that "mid-july" ratings update is still gonna happen? Not sure if I got my results submitted in time (july 12th is when I sent it in).

Thanks!

[steveganz]

Originally Posted by Leefou

Just wondering if that "mid-july" ratings update is still gonna happen? Not sure if I got my results submitted in time (july 12th is when I sent it in).

Thanks!

The special interim ratings update previously announced for mid-July has been delayed due to a schedule conflict with the 2012 PDGA World Championships. We'll announce a new date as soon as possible.

[Leefou]

Originally Posted by steveganz

The special interim ratings update previously announced for mid-July has been delayed due to a schedule conflict with the 2012 PDGA World Championships. We'll announce a new date as soon as possible.

Thanks for the info!

[ERicJ]

Just mailed in the TD report for my second ten-week sanctioned league session... and players are still asking me when they'll get official ratings from the first session rounds they played four+ months ago.

[gregorvn]

Since it looks like the special mid-July update didn't happen, is there any word on whether the league results that weren't processed last time will happen on the August 14th date?

I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed that this hasn't happened yet. I generally try not to badmouth the PDGA, and I'm trying to be patient knowing that the first time around there are glitches that need to be worked out, but this is taking way too long.

[cgkdisc]

All the reported league results are in a batch to be processed during this update.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

All the reported league results are in a batch to be processed during this update.

Originally Posted by ERicJ

Just mailed in the TD report for my second ten-week sanctioned league session... and players are still asking me when they'll get official ratings from the first session rounds they played four+ months ago.

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

You can tell if an event will be in the next update if you look at the event on PDGA and it says "Official Results" (and there are no ratings shown). If it still says "Unofficial Results" or you see no scores at all, then the PDGA has not received the report from the TD yet.

My second ten-week session is still showing "Unofficial Results".
The report was mailed Jul 26 vs. deadline of Jul 31.
What's up?
http://www.pdga.com/tournament_resul...s%3D1088936978

[cgkdisc]

I only got the Southwest Handicap League 3-13 report to process this time. I'm guessing Andrew only processed reports received by mid-July when the special update was going to be done and didn't add any more but you can contact him to confirm.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Each league round, once they get official ratings, will be listed with the date of the round in a player's most recent 12 months of rated rounds and will be included (or not) in their most recent 25% based on those dates intermingled with any tournament rounds.

Did this happen?

Based simply on the Ratings Detail view it doesn't look like it, but the actual calculations might break out the weeks individually. I can't tell based on my rating because it only makes ~0.4 points difference right now.

[cgkdisc]

It looks like the date for all league rounds will be the first day of league in terms of whether a round gets double weighted. This is one way for league rounds to likely not get weighted as much as regular rounds due to the reporting time delay.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

It looks like the date for all league rounds will be the first day of league in terms of whether a round gets double weighted. This is one way for league rounds to likely not get weighted as much as regular rounds due to the reporting time delay.

That's too bad.

That methodology of treating a league session as a one time event with up to ten rounds can further pollute ratings data if some of a session's rounds falls into the "double range". In that case you're going to double the highest rated round(s) from the session even if it/they were thrown many weeks before.

Seems like treating each week separately would give a more accurate representation of the already lagging performance indicator.

[cgkdisc]

True, but we're already using all players' ratings at the end of league to calculate league ratings for each week which will boost them slightly compared with using ratings at the beginning of a league. Frankly, I'm not sure the double weighting is necessary in general but it makes people feel like their most recent rounds are more important, when in most cases, they are just statistical chatter and don't provide enough data yet to indicate a trend. If anything, 8-10 league rounds are a better indication of a player's true rating except for the relatively small number of players who are regular weekend warriors over that time period and have as many or more event rounds.