Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by AviarX

Dave,

I know self caught flight discs are not in high demand, but wouldn't the Blizzard technology be superb for an MTA disc? I still am trying to get a Pebble, how about a Blizzard version? Lynx? Condor? Or would the Blizzard technology make other molds MTA friendly? Maybe that 198X world record can finally fall? what are your thoughts on this?

Blizzard technology is done on Champion plastic to reduce weight. Condors and Pebbles are already weight reduced by using polyethylene. We would have to develop a different tech for making polyethylene discs lighter. I believe it can be done.

However, it may not need to be done as the drivers we are making now in very low weights, may be very good themselves as MTA discs. MTA, like distance, is a combination of gaining altitude, and gliding on the available wind for as long as possible. One for time and one for distance. A 100-110gm Blizzard driver might do the trick. Disc speed is basically altitude. Drivers have that in spades. The rest is flight characteristic allowing the longest glide time or path.

[omegaputt]

Dave,
Do you think one of the new blizzard discs will have a chance to break the distance record?

[ross]

Sorry if this has already been covered but I was wondering if there were plans to produce other models with the blizzard technology. Although I love the blizzard Boss that I bought (139g of heaven) I am pretty used to throwing Orcs, Leopards and Firebirds.

[davei]

Originally Posted by omegaputt

Dave,
Do you think one of the new blizzard discs will have a chance to break the distance record?

Yes. David Wiggins has already done that informally with a 150 Blizzard Boss. He threw one 827 ft in practice. He also threw a Blizzard Katana just short of the record.

[davei]

Originally Posted by ross

Sorry if this has already been covered but I was wondering if there were plans to produce other models with the blizzard technology. Although I love the blizzard Boss that I bought (139g of heaven) I am pretty used to throwing Orcs, Leopards and Firebirds.

If you are referring to narrower rim drivers, probably not soon. If you just mean other models we have not released, yes. The Wraith has the smallest rim so far.
The Beast will probably be done sometime this year. Discs that we already have run Champion in the 150g range will be last, probably.

So far the menu includes: Boss, Destroyer, Katana, TeeDevil, Ape, Wraith, and Dominator.

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by davei

One thing I want to know is if people are interested or know of others who would be interested in light weight Champion long range drivers. The other question would be probably a little trickier as people might not have an idea of what weight is actually best for them until they try. But that question is: what weight do you think would work best for you?

The fact of the matter is that we are able, (with some difficultly), to make virtually any weight Boss, Destroyer, Katana, etc. in Champion down to about 110 gms. If we bother to go to the research time and expense, will disc golf respond to this new product or will they continue to follow the mantra of "heavier is better".

I think the "heavier is better" mantra is a huge impediment, as I have heard many say things like "I can't throw anything but max weight" or they will call a stable disc understable because from their closed perspective their arm is too big for that mold of disc. It would probably do them well to learn the technique of how to throw understable discs far, but unless they are open to it that is an uphill battle. However, if you come out with a disc that gets the disc golf world buzzing because it breaks a world record for distance or because they see other disc golfers using such discs to advantage -- it will probably catch on like wildfire.

i know little about ball golf, but haven't advances in design there caused the same criticism and acclaim? (or say as did the bigger tennis rackets that came out -- I still remember McEnroe, Borg, Connors, etc. using the small rackets).

that said, i am not immune to the whole heavier is better BS and probably throw discs a few grams heavier than would be optimal. now with putters, i think a good case can be made that heavier *is* better...

Maybe the trick to changing the "heavier is better" BS, would be to start a subtle campaign questioning the toughness of any disc golfer who was averse to throwing lighter plastic.

Originally Posted by davei

So far, I can only see three disadvantages and at least four advantages. The disadvantages are: they don't penetrate leaves and other foliage as well, they don't forgive poor throwing (flutter) as well, they may not be as good in the wind, (although this has not been shown yet). So far, any wind disadvantage seems to be tied to flutter. And, also tied to flutter is that they don't work as well for side arms because it is too easy to flutter.

The advantages I see are: they are much easier to whip, they carry farther, they make my bag lighter when I have several, they do well with hitting trees as they don't seem to taco as much, they seem to have a little less low speed overstability. Subjectively, they are more fun and I don't seem to get as tired.

I was wondering if the bubbles actually make the plastic more resilient? (in the sense that flexibility means strength).

Thanks for coming out with the Blizzard plastic. as with the Eagle/Aero in 1983, I think unless you buck the prevailing mentality and just build it so people can discover what it really means when the disc hits the air, there will not be enough support to do it.

I look forward to trying a Blizzard Destroyer. A Blizzard TL might be nice too :-)

[drdisc]

Biggest breakthrough in years. Good going. Just about everyone who has one is finding greater distance in the right conditions.
Where is the next WFDF Overall? Records will fall!

[hankdabank]

Originally Posted by drdisc

Biggest breakthrough in years. Good going. Just about everyone who has one is finding greater distance in the right conditions.
Where is the next WFDF Overall? Records will fall!

There may be one before this, not sure.
http://www.scientificdiscgolf.com/HDDC2012flyer.html

[davei]

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I believe the Blizzards have better impact (tree hit) resistance, but less abrasion (scuff) resistance.

[fmags87]

would love to see blizzard valks as well as arcs and rr as far as unders go

[fmags87]

also watch a buddy beat the sh*t out of his in one week no real char. change other than a slight bit deeper laserations in the plate but i will def. deal with that katana blizz by the way

[mtreat]

Maybe the Blizzard bubbles should be filled with Helium. Hmm...

I am totally in love with my 150 gram Wraith. I am 53 years old and throw around 320 with normal Innova disc. This weekend I amazed myself with some Blizzars shots.

My take so far, is they are kind of like a Roc. You need to trust the disc and let it do it's thing..

[futurecollisions]

Dave,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but I rarely ever see stock champion or stock star discs with white stamps anymore. They seem to be pretty desirable among discs from the past like kc pro and ce. Are they just uncommon or is there a reason for very few white stamp discs?

Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Dave,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but I rarely ever see stock champion or stock star discs with white stamps anymore. They seem to be pretty desirable among discs from the past like kc pro and ce. Are they just uncommon or is there a reason for very few white stamp discs?

Thanks

They are uncommon. We have tended to use metallic foils, which, we think, generally have more appeal.

[fmags87]

Hey how did your operation go apparently ricks went well rumor mill says he's bAck I'n the shop i gotta get I'n there an see him.

[davei]

Originally Posted by fmags87

Hey how did your operation go apparently ricks went well rumor mill says he's bAck I'n the shop i gotta get I'n there an see him.

Operation went well. Torn meniscus was fixed. My knee is still a little swollen, but I am doing fine, thank you.

[oldman wallis]

Been there. Done that. Isn't it great what Dr's can do for us old guys.

[warlocks00]

Hey Dave, thanks for taking time out to answer all these questions. I have a question about the Xcal, hopefully it's not something that has been asked and I just missed it.

Has the mold changed? Or is it just a plastic variation right now? I am a disc retailer and use to sell a lot of Star Xcals, but the last few orders I have gotten in people are complaining that they are not Xcals, but more like Maxs as far as stability goes. Can you shed any light on this for me to tell my customers? Thanks again!

[davei]

Originally Posted by warlocks00

Hey Dave, thanks for taking time out to answer all these questions. I have a question about the Xcal, hopefully it's not something that has been asked and I just missed it.

Has the mold changed? Or is it just a plastic variation right now? I am a disc retailer and use to sell a lot of Star Xcals, but the last few orders I have gotten in people are complaining that they are not Xcals, but more like Maxs as far as stability goes. Can you shed any light on this for me to tell my customers? Thanks again!

The mold has not changed. What is the specific complaint? I don't understand what being more like a Max means. Does this mean they are too stable or not stable enough?

Thanks

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by warlocks00

Hey Dave, thanks for taking time out to answer all these questions. I have a question about the Xcal, hopefully it's not something that has been asked and I just missed it.

Has the mold changed? Or is it just a plastic variation right now? I am a disc retailer and use to sell a lot of Star Xcals, but the last few orders I have gotten in people are complaining that they are not Xcals, but more like Maxs as far as stability goes. Can you shed any light on this for me to tell my customers? Thanks again!

The xcal is supposed to be a slightly faster max, overstable. People got a hold of some less stable xcals and that's what they think the disc is supposed to be, but its not, they should try a boss instead.

[warlocks00]

Originally Posted by davei

The mold has not changed. What is the specific complaint? I don't understand what being more like a Max means. Does this mean they are too stable or not stable enough?

Thanks

The reports I am getting is they are way more overstable and have less glide than in the past. Think they started telling me this about 3 months ago. Told them to just wait till the next run and they would probably be back to the same: that it was probably just something with this run, but thought I'd ask just to make sure.

[davei]

Originally Posted by warlocks00

The reports I am getting is they are way more overstable and have less glide than in the past. Think they started telling me this about 3 months ago. Told them to just wait till the next run and they would probably be back to the same: that it was probably just something with this run, but thought I'd ask just to make sure.

I think you are probably right.

[tafe]

Dave, earlier you said you had made some champion Zephyrs that would be available at the Pro Shop. I haven't seen them. Did I miss them?

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by tafe

Dave, earlier you said you had made some champion Zephyrs that would be available at the Pro Shop. I haven't seen them. Did I miss them?

I am also interrested...

[davei]

Originally Posted by tafe

Dave, earlier you said you had made some champion Zephyrs that would be available at the Pro Shop. I haven't seen them. Did I miss them?

I assume he, (eric), hasn't put them up yet. I will check. They were made.

[desertstormvet]

Hi Dave, I'm new to the PDGA and just started Discing last summer at the ripe young age of 46. I have spent the last year trying different discs to find the one that best fits my throwing style. So far my top 2 fav discs are the Valk, and the Wraith. However when at play it again we bought a Star SL, I threw it a couple of times and have fell in love with it, I recently bought a heavier SL and I read somewhere that the SL is going to stop being made, is this true? I Hope not but would like to know, thanks.

[davei]

Originally Posted by desertstormvet

Hi Dave, I'm new to the PDGA and just started Discing last summer at the ripe young age of 46. I have spent the last year trying different discs to find the one that best fits my throwing style. So far my top 2 fav discs are the Valk, and the Wraith. However when at play it again we bought a Star SL, I threw it a couple of times and have fell in love with it, I recently bought a heavier SL and I read somewhere that the SL is going to stop being made, is this true? I Hope not but would like to know, thanks.

We will still make the Star SL and the Pro SL. You might want to try an Archon too. It is like a little mellower flying Wraith.

[desertstormvet]

Originally Posted by davei

We will still make the Star SL and the Pro SL. You might want to try an Archon too. It is like a little mellower flying Wraith.

I have a champion Archon, got it about two weeks ago, only have thrown it a few times, still breaking it in. I still get the most distance with my Valk, but I'm working on my technique, it was pointed out to me when i release the disk the nose is slightly up so I have not been throwing flat. I'm thinking about trying the Mamba since I dont have the strongest throws yet, I have been looking for reviews on the Mamba to see what other discers think of it. Last summer I bought a Vulcan and had struggled with it, but since I started throwing last month it is starting to fly better for me, I still struggle with the Boss though, maybe the 13 speed discs are to fast for me, I will keep them around until i get stronger throws. I will say this as far as mid range discs, I have thrown a Buzzz SS for a while but really wanted a Innova Mid, so I bought a XG Roc+, I absolutely love this disc and highly recomend it, i'm slowely pushing all of the Discraft discs out of my Bag and replacing them with Innova. It took me a while to find a Putter that i'm comfy with, I tryed a Dart, Banger gt, APX, and now I have found a Putter that fits me well, it is a Soft Champion Ryhno, and now Im content with it. Dave can you give me some comments you have heard about the Mamba? Thanks.

[davei]

Originally Posted by desertstormvet

Dave can you give me some comments you have heard about the Mamba? Thanks.

The Mamba is a finesse driver. It has good speed and glide, but is speed sensitive for flight character. The turning rating is the highest of our drivers and comes into play for higher power throws. For medium power it is very controllable. For high power, it would take a bit of skill to master this disc. It is very easy to get 300ft throwing from a standstill with a little hyzer fairly low to the ground.

I have been using a 170gm Mamba for rollers and long tunnel shots. Rollers are fairly spectacular at times at full power. At 75% power, I have been having good success with the tunnel shots starting with a hyzer and flipping to flat.

[munky]

this isnt a question but rather a thumbs up for the blizzards. it has added about 100' to my throw. i am just coming off of a knee injury that had me off the course for 3 months so i think the distance will get even better once my leg muscles get back in shape. just use less power/snap people and these things float forever.