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Old Dec 14 2011, 01:46 PM   #212
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Old Dec 18 2011, 10:47 PM   #214
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... the Official Results form the "Throwdown Showdown" on Moose Run Course ...
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... this score flexed-around between lead-changes quite a bit ... the Final Scores were :

David Wise = 65 ... WINNER
Charlie Chung = 66
Corey Leemhuis = 67
Wayne Forest = 68
Doug Duff = 69

... some pure craziness , and hilarious results for some of those "attempted-flights" ... all participants earned a Poker-Chip for their challenge ... the Big Winner will be the Food Bank , which added $102. into the Tulsa Ice Bowl ...
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Old Dec 19 2011, 08:43 AM   #215
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Thumbs up Poker Chip Update ...

… here’s the Poker Chip List updated … two more “Flights Doubles” on the Schedule in January … some other possible special Challenges and Charity-Matches may add-in as well … these represent the all the Doubles Events from 4/9/11 (ChandlerStock Saturday Nite) thru current ... also added-in was one of the "Challenge Matches" on 12/18/11 ...
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Aaron Calvert
Aaron Triska
Adam Gibbs
Adam Gibbs
Adrian Gastellum
Adrian Gastelum
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Amanda Pierce
Amber Prosser
Amber Prosser
Amber Prosser
Andre Anderson
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
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Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
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Aubrey Johnston
Aubrey Johnston
Austin Thornton
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Austin Thornton
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Benjamin Brand
Bill Fields
Bill Moyers
Billy Juby
Billy Swanson
Blake Williams
Bob Giles
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Bob Morton
Bobby Barnes
Bobby Barnes
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Bobby Brown
Bobby Reed
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Brad HOI
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Brad Zimmerman
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Brandon Langston
Brandon Peak
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Brian Schultes
Bryan Hinds
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Caleb Chung
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Corey Olivarez
Cris Hicks
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Danny Bennett
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Old Dec 19 2011, 08:48 AM   #216
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... on-down-the-road in JANUARY , we have a special Need ... someone out there is possibly affiliated with a School or Recreational organization and may be able to assist us here ... if you know someone , please see what you can do ...
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... We need (5) normal Soccer-Balls , and (5) normal Footballs ... old-and-used is Fine ... need to "Borrow" them for 2 weeks in early January ...
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... it's for a good cause ... (announced later) ...
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... maybe(?) some of those guys with friends at Play-It-Again-Sports (Matthew Treat?) could get us some used-ball-loaners ? ...
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Thumbs up Another Ice Bowl Hero ...

… so , I hear that Charlie Chung is working a possible-connection for (5) loaner-socccer-balls and (5) loaner-footballs … MOST Excellent … keep me informed , Double-C ! … (I’ll get your Ice-Bowl questions answered also) …
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Old Dec 19 2011, 06:30 PM   #219
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... Check out that FINE FORM ... it served him well ! ...
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... full Details about "Balls and Baskets" will be released later today ... ( or tonight ) ...
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Thumbs up BALLS and BASKETS , another Charity "skills" Match ...

… allow me to enunciate on this subject … being known as “long-winded” ; and being a “Forest” ; I guess that means I’ll exfoliate on the Details …
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… announcing : another Crazy , Nutcase-type Contest of Skill(?) and Daring(?) on top of FurDog’s Mountain Preserve :
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… “Balls and Baskets” is another Challenge-Match for Charity pitting us Disc-Golfers against each-other AND the-appointed-choice-of-weapons … namely : Soccer Balls , Footballs , and Golf Balls … at-this-point , we must give Credit where Credit is due … this brainstorm is the concoction of the-one-and-only King-of-the-Mountain : FurDog … he spins out these “brain-droppings” ; and I energetically bring-them-to-life … AND , this particular dose of lunacy will feature TWO separate Challenge-Matches on two different Courses … each one can accommodate 5 Players-entered … more stuff typed-up later …
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Thumbs up SUNDAY , Jan. 8 : Two Challenge Matches ...

… the first Challenge will tee at 11:00am on Moose Run … each Player carries three weapons : a soccer-ball , a football , and a golf-ball … from Tee pad to Basket , it is completely their choice for which-to-use … they can propel these items by human power only … by foot or by hand … nothing by artificial means … No clubs, bats, or extensions …the Hole is completed and scored once they have one of these at-rest in-the-Basket (lower tray) … other conditions that apply :
… a “contact Ace” is possible … if any throw from concrete-tee-pad strikes the Basket anywhere from top-to-bottom (including lower-pipe) ; that is a hole-in-one … on 2 special-holes-on-Moose , number 1 and 4 , this would include the brick-and-stone-structure … hitting those is good on tee-shot-only …
… any-other-shot from fairway or putt must come-to-rest INSIDE the Basket to complete the Hole …
… if you lose one-of-your-Balls (probably the little-golf-ball) ; you must re-throw from your last position … that would cost you a 1-stroke-penalty ; and you would only have two balls to finish with …
… Playing a Disc-Golf Course with No Discs ? … does that sound different ? … sound wild ? … sound zany and dumb ? … sound like something you’ve never-seen-before ? … sound like too much FUN ? … YES , to all the above …
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… each 18-Hole Challenge Match can have 5 individuals entered …
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… the first Match : Moose Run at 11:00am : already has 4 entered … each one earns another Poker-Chip :
John “Gumby” Barton
Charlie Chung
Wayne Forest
Doug Duff
… contact Forest if you want in on this nuttiness for Charity …
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… the first Challenge will tee at 11:00am on Moose Run … each Player carries three weapons : a soccer-ball , a football , and a golf-ball … from Tee pad to Basket , it is completely their choice for which-to-use … they can propel these items by human power only … by foot or by hand … nothing by artificial means … No clubs, bats, or extensions …the Hole is completed and scored once they have one of these at-rest in-the-Basket (lower tray) … other conditions that apply :
… a “contact Ace” is possible … if any throw from concrete-tee-pad strikes the Basket anywhere from top-to-bottom (including lower-pipe) ; that is a hole-in-one … on 2 special-holes-on-Moose , number 1 and 4 , this would include the brick-and-stone-structure … hitting those is good on tee-shot-only …
… any-other-shot from fairway or putt must come-to-rest INSIDE the Basket to complete the Hole …
… if you lose one-of-your-Balls (probably the little-golf-ball) ; you must re-throw from your last position … that would cost you a 1-stroke-penalty ; and you would only have two balls to finish with …
… Playing a Disc-Golf Course with No Discs ? … does that sound different ? … sound wild ? … sound zany and dumb ? … sound like something you’ve never-seen-before ? … sound like too much FUN ? … YES , to all the above …
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… each 18-Hole Challenge Match can have 5 individuals entered …
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… the first Match : Moose Run at 11:00am : already has 4 entered … each one earns another Poker-Chip :
John “Gumby” Barton
Charlie Chung
Wayne Forest
Doug Duff
… contact Forest if you want in on this nuttiness for Charity …
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... recently added-in for January 8 Challenges :
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Tony Walker
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... Check out that FINE FORM ... it served him well ! ...
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... some of THIS Beautiful Stamp (and Karma) will be spread around the Chandler MountainTop around mid-January ...
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Since this is a charity event this $5000 hole-in-one will earn the individual that makes it $5000 and the Community Food Bank of Eastern Oklahoma will get $5000...... 2012 is the year that someone gets this $$$$$
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I was just checking out the 2011 TDSA ACES on our website....you all su**ed this year!!! Here is to a MUCH better year for aces!!
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… here’s the Poker Chip List updated … two more “Flights Doubles” on the Schedule in January … some other possible special Challenges and Charity-Matches may add-in as well … these represent the all the Doubles Events from 4/9/11 (ChandlerStock Saturday Nite) thru current ... also added-in was one of the "Challenge Matches" on 12/18/11 ...
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Aaron Calvert
Aaron Triska
Adam Gibbs
Adam Gibbs
Adrian Gastellum
Adrian Gastelum
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Alan Riding
Amanda Pierce
Amber Prosser
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Amber Prosser
Andre Anderson
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
Anson Adams
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Anson Adams
Anson Adams
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Aubrey Johnston
Aubrey Johnston
Austin Thornton
Austin Thornton
Austin Thornton
Austin Thornton
Austin Thornton
Benjamin Brand
Bill Fields
Bill Moyers
Billy Juby
Billy Swanson
Blake Williams
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Giles
Bob Morton
Bobby Barnes
Bobby Barnes
Bobby Barnes
Bobby Brown
Bobby Reed
Bobby Reed
Brad HOI
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Brad HOI
Brad HOI
Brad Zimmerman
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Brandon Langston
Brandon Peak
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Brandon Peak
Brian Schultes
Bryan Hinds
Bryan Hinds
Bryan Hinds
Bryan Hinds
Caleb Chung
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Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
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Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
Charlie Chung
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Chris Cox
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Julio Melendez
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Matt Shipley
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Tony Torrez
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Tony Walker
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Travis Koehring
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Travis Koehring
Wade Largent
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Old Dec 31 2011, 07:03 PM   #238
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... actually , , , not ... although Mr.Briley has partaken of "Flights" in the past ; this Series represents all play from ChandlerStock Saturday-Nite thru current ... Corey Bailey was a novice player who entered and played the Doubles on Saturday Nite ...
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Old Jan 03 2012, 08:30 PM   #239
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Thumbs up the Lineups for this Sunday :

"BALLS and BASKETS" Challenge Matches ... Soccer-Ball, Football, Golf-Ball for 18-Holes
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(pending possible changes)
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Moose Run at 11:00am
Doug Duff
Charlie Chung
Wayne Forest
John Gumby Barton
Tony Walker

Bear's Lair at 1:15pm
Gary Harrison
Corey Leemhuis
Bryan Hinds
Bill Slim Moyers
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Old Jan 03 2012, 08:33 PM   #240
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… the first Challenge will tee at 11:00am on Moose Run … each Player carries three weapons : a soccer-ball , a football , and a golf-ball … from Tee pad to Basket , it is completely their choice for which-to-use … they can propel these items by human power only … by foot or by hand … nothing by artificial means … No clubs, bats, or extensions …the Hole is completed and scored once they have one of these at-rest in-the-Basket (lower tray) … other conditions that apply :
… a “contact Ace” is possible … if any throw from concrete-tee-pad strikes the Basket anywhere from top-to-bottom (including lower-pipe) ; that is a hole-in-one … on 2 special-holes-on-Moose , number 1 and 4 , this would include the brick-and-stone-structure … hitting those is good on tee-shot-only …
… any-other-shot from fairway or putt must come-to-rest INSIDE the Basket to complete the Hole …
… if you lose one-of-your-Balls (probably the little-golf-ball) ; you must re-throw from your last position … that would cost you a 1-stroke-penalty ; and you would only have two balls to finish with …
… Playing a Disc-Golf Course with No Discs ? … does that sound different ? … sound wild ? … sound zany and dumb ? … sound like something you’ve never-seen-before ? … sound like too much FUN ? … YES , to all the above …
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… each 18-Hole Challenge Match can have 5 individuals entered …
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... each entrant earns another Poker-Chip ...
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