California's Dominance: 2011 Worlds

[dwiggmd]

Originally Posted by denny1210

Just to play devil's advocate, the comparison might be better made on the basis of a million disc golfers, rather than a million inhabitants. Under that basis, the results are:

1000+ rated players per million disc golfers:

California: 20,309
North Carolina: 18,237


1020+ rated players per million disc golfers:

California: 7311
North Carolina: 6079

I think you are talking about licensed disc golfers, but the talent pool consists of licensed and unlicensed disc golfers. We all know of the nonconformist nature of Californians so it is a safe assumption that there is a far greater percentage of unlicensed disc golfers in California meaning the number of 1000+ rated disc golfers in California per million disc golfers would again fall below that of NC. Q.E.D. :-)

[davei]

You guys might want to look at world rankings for your discussion. It's likely the winners will come from that list.

[cgkdisc]

Eric McCabe has been the lowest World Ranked player (31st just before Worlds) to win Worlds. However, he had a 1025 rating and was around 10th rated at the Worlds he won. Ratings more than rankings would probably be a better indicator for winning Worlds potential.

[davei]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Eric McCabe has been the lowest World Ranked player (31st just before Worlds) to win Worlds. However, he had a 1025 rating and was around 10th rated at the Worlds he won. Ratings more than rankings would probably be a better indicator for winning Worlds potential.

Ratings don't mean anything unless you get it playing against good competition. I could name you lots of players with ratings higher than their ability to compete in a real open setting. All you have to do is be very good at one or two local courses. No offense to Eric, but that was a career performance. He is a very good player and he happened to be putting lights out at that tournament. Even so, by your logic, his rating would not have predicted a win for him.

[cgkdisc]

davei - Ratings don't mean anything unless you get it playing against good competition

C'mon Dave, for 12 years now, it's been shown that it doesn't matter who is playing in the event. The course ratings (SSA) are independent of who's playing and what rating a score gets.

Regardless, my point is that ratings of the top players (based on at least 25 rounds) are still better than rankings if you're placing odds on a particular player winning. For example, Jussi will drop out of the World Rankings in early 2012 without any stats in majors but still have around a 1023 rating.

[denny1210]

Originally Posted by dwiggmd

I think you are talking about licensed disc golfers, but the talent pool consists of licensed and unlicensed disc golfers. We all know of the nonconformist nature of Californians so it is a safe assumption that there is a far greater percentage of unlicensed disc golfers in California meaning the number of 1000+ rated disc golfers in California per million disc golfers would again fall below that of NC. Q.E.D. :-)

or, it could be argued that the non-sanctioned north carolina home grown tour provides enough evidence to assume that the ratio of pdga members to total disc golfers is lower in north carolina than in california.

[John Hernlund]

All these statistics don't really matter in the long term, since in each instance it is only one player who will win in each division. Statistics don't work well with small numbers. For example, do the reverse logic, and try to construe Climo's career as a characteristic measure of the typical Florida disc golfer...it's totally skewed.

Originally Posted by pterodactyl

if I am in a tourney and I am the only player to get stuck up 2m+ and it happens 3 times during a round...that doesn't affect my rating?

No, it only changes the SSA.

But, the California disc golfer doesn't think of a tree as a disc catching device, like a NC disc golfer does...but guys like Nate Doss spend a lot of time playing east coast rules and can easily adjust, and still dominate.