Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[dm4]

Dave, perhaps this has been talked about before, but I am not very good at searching in the PDGA forums; I never can find what I am looking for. I had an early run Star Destroyer (had a stock stamp, and I got it soon after the first run discs were out) and I loved it very much! It wasn't too overstable like the newer runs are, for me. I lost it in a pond at a tourney last year and couldn't find it! I haven't tried First Run Star Destroyers because they are very expensive. I tried an Echo Star Destroyer and it is way too overstable for me. Would you have any suggestions on which run or runs might be less overstable? Thanks, Don

PS I have also tried the Vulcan (It is a useful disc, but too flippy for the disc I want to replace) and the Archon, which is also too overstable, but I am starting to like it more and more).

[pterodactyl]

Try the pro or dx plastic. I like them.

[bcary93]

Originally Posted by davei

Sorry, I don't have and feedback. I wasn't aware the the latest DX was any different. I am glad it is more durable as it will last longer and once the discs do beat in, they should last longer.

Hopefully, I have odd ones or transition run discs. IMO, the traditionally softer and faster-wearing dx, as compared with Pro, Star and Champion, has a big place in mine and I assume other players disc choices. The Rocs I'm looking at wear more like a KC and will never, based on my limited experience, take the same wear patterns that a DX will.

Thanks!

[ejvogie]

Originally Posted by davei

We do make both Champion and DX Rhynos and there is a chance we might do some glow in either or both.

Originally Posted by davei

Definitely possible if we think it will have sufficient appeal for cfr.

Originally Posted by hueyman2

Glow Champ Rhyno's:

I'll buy 5. Innova has just the 1 glow putter. Need to get this done for us Rhyno lovers. More people I know throw Aviars, but I know more people that carry more than 4 Rhyno's than I do that carry more than 2 aviars.

Any word on these? Aviars just aren't comfortable in my hand. Maybe not enough interest for a production run (personally, I think they'd sell), but maybe they could be run as a TFR?

[davei]

Originally Posted by ejvogie

Any word on these? Aviars just aren't comfortable in my hand. Maybe not enough interest for a production run (personally, I think they'd sell), but maybe they could be run as a TFR?

Most likely, they would be run at some time for the Factory Store. Right now, Rhynos are not in the schedule till next year.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dm4

Dave, perhaps this has been talked about before, but I am not very good at searching in the PDGA forums; I never can find what I am looking for. I had an early run Star Destroyer (had a stock stamp, and I got it soon after the first run discs were out) and I loved it very much! It wasn't too overstable like the newer runs are, for me. I lost it in a pond at a tourney last year and couldn't find it! I haven't tried First Run Star Destroyers because they are very expensive. I tried an Echo Star Destroyer and it is way too overstable for me. Would you have any suggestions on which run or runs might be less overstable? Thanks, Don

Sorry, I missed this question previously. I like the same type Destroyer and it takes a while to beat in a new Star, but it is worth it. I recommend the new TeeDevil. It comes out of the box like a slightly worn Destroyer. For me, the Star TeeDevils are the ticket, however, I wouldn't forsake a well tuned Star Destroyer either if it were available.

[dm4]

Originally Posted by davei

Sorry, I missed this question previously. I like the same type Destroyer and it takes a while to beat in a new Star, but it is worth it. I recommend the new TeeDevil. It comes out of the box like a slightly worn Destroyer. For me, the Star TeeDevils are the ticket, however, I wouldn't forsake a well tuned Star Destroyer either if it were available.

Are you serious! Wow! That would be great! I have this bad habit of losing my favorite discs, so no worn Destroyers here! I have new ones, but I don't like them. Even one that I think is an early run is way too new for me! I will order a Star TeeDevil and give it a try. Thanks!

[LastBoyScout]

Dave,

I had a quick question about the star stingray. Did something with the mold change to make it more stable? The star stingray when compared to some of my older DX stingrays appears to have more plastic (read: appears thicker) where a bead might normally go on a disc.

Im just curious because the star stingray is really stable, where a similar shaped/profiled disc like the kite is really understable in star plastic.

[pterodactyl]

Dave: I'm likin' my 170 star Archon. Very controllable. I like it a lot more than the 175 gram model, but that's just my average D arm talkin'. KL

[davei]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave,

I had a quick question about the star stingray. Did something with the mold change to make it more stable? The star stingray when compared to some of my older DX stingrays appears to have more plastic (read: appears thicker) where a bead might normally go on a disc.

Im just curious because the star stingray is really stable, where a similar shaped/profiled disc like the kite is really understable in star plastic.

One part of the Stingray mold is new as that part wore out. It does make the bottom of the rim less sharp.

[justingoss]

Hi Dave,

Why don't Valarie Jenkins and Des Reading have signature discs? They are both 3x World Champs. Several of your male players (deservedly) have signature discs with only one or two world championships under their belts. Surely you don't think Val and Des should be denied the honor because you are afraid their signature discs will be labeled "girl" discs and not sell as well. Come on, they deserve their own disc!

[davei]

Originally Posted by justingoss

Hi Dave,

Why don't Valarie Jenkins and Des Reading have signature discs? They are both 3x World Champs. Several of your male players (deservedly) have signature discs with only one or two world championships under their belts. Surely you don't think Val and Des should be denied the honor because you are afraid their signature discs will be labeled "girl" discs and not sell as well. Come on, they deserve their own disc!

We have a lot of World Champions that may deserve signature discs. We have six players that have five or more World Titles, and others that also have three World Titles. None of these have had their own regular line signature disc. Harold Duvall has two Open World Championship titles and
he doesn't have a disc either. Open Worlds is weighted most heavily in our
consideration of marketability.

All do receive their own limited edition signature discs.

[JenniferB]

Where can I get a Val Jenkins Starfire and a Des Reading Stingray?

NVM. I found where:

http://www.valariejenkins.com/Site/Shop.html

http://www.yetidisc.com/pages.php?pageid=12

Except Des's Team Star disc is the boss? No thanks. I think I'll go for those wraiths though ;-)

[justingoss]

Originally Posted by davei

Open Worlds is weighted most heavily in our
consideration of marketability.

I am confused by this statement. I thought Val and Des's wins were Open Worlds. Do you mean MEN'S Open Worlds?

[the_kid]

Originally Posted by justingoss

I am confused by this statement. I thought Val and Des's wins were Open Worlds. Do you mean MEN'S Open Worlds?

Only one "Open Division" even if some tournaments like to list Open Masters or Open Women.

Open means anyone can play

[pterodactyl]

Originally Posted by JenniferB

Where can I get a Val Jenkins Starfire and a Des Reading Stingray?

Have them sign your disc.
Juliana signed my Valkyrie.

[the_kid]

Originally Posted by pterodactyl

Have them sign your disc.
Juliana signed my Valkyrie.

Give them a buck or two as well since they aren't getting the help from disc sales the guys do.

[ishkatbible]

Originally Posted by JenniferB

Where can I get a Val Jenkins Starfire and a Des Reading Stingray?

NVM. I found where:

http://www.valariejenkins.com/Site/Shop.html

http://www.yetidisc.com/pages.php?pageid=12

Except Des's Team Star disc is the boss? No thanks. I think I'll go for those wraiths though ;-)

des also has/had roadrunners. next time you see her ask about them. jay usually has some with him as well.

[justingoss]

Originally Posted by the_kid

Only one "Open Division" even if some tournaments like to list Open Masters or Open Women.

Open means anyone can play

Yeah, yeah, Matty, I got it. I was speaking more to the absurdity of it all. I know that the term "open" is often misused. That doesn't change the fact that two women who have shown dominance at an elite level deserve to be treated with the same respect as their male counterparts.

[justingoss]

Originally Posted by ishkatbible

des also has/had roadrunners. next time you see her ask about them. jay usually has some with him as well.

Des also has Leopards. I have one hanging on my wall and it is a beauty.

[jobwilson]

Hey Dave, what's the story with Lycan? Is it something new or just a retooled, renamed Coyote?

According to the newly released flight chart, the Lycan is there and the Coyote is gone.

[cgkdisc]

You likin' the Lycan? It'll grow on you liken lichen.

[davei]

Originally Posted by jobwilson

Hey Dave, what's the story with Lycan? Is it something new or just a retooled, renamed Coyote?

According to the newly released flight chart, the Lycan is there and the Coyote is gone.

That chart was being worked on and shouldn't have been released. We were talking about replacing the Coyote on the chart with the new Lycan, because the present chart doesn't have room for both. The Lycan is a new disc and the Coyote will still be available. We haven't decided yet how to deal with the flight charts. Right now, although this is subject to change. We are thinking about having the Coyote available in the Factory Store, and putting the Lycan on the chart. The Coyote is more similar to the Mako than the Lycan although the current flight numbers are the same for both the Coyote and Lycan. I would place the Lycan closer to the Shark than the Coyote.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by justingoss

Surely you don't think Val and Des should be denied the honor because you are afraid their signature discs will be labeled "girl" discs and not sell as well. Come on, they deserve their own disc!

They wont sell as well, as much as I hate to admit it. I lobbied as hard as anyone for Des for years, and still support it. But, that being said I cant tell you how many times I corrected people over JK Valks. Maybe its different in your area, I hope so and hope they get them.

[pterodactyl]

Sounds to me like the Lycan should replace the wolf.

[Scottcrawford70]

I have been playing disc golf for around 2 years now and just can't seem to find a great turnover disc for me. I have a very seasoned DX Beast that i use for my long turnover shots right now but the possibility of it rolling on every shot worries me.If anyone had any suggestions on disc that have a good turnover (RHBH) please let me know.
Thanks so much!

[John Hernlund]

Hi Dave,

I was wondering how Innova produces flight patterns like the ones compiled in the following image:



I figure that somebody compiled these based upon the patterns published in the Innova catalog. My question is more about the origin of the flight patterns, themselves. Here are some specific questions I have:
-What is the characteristic release speed for these flights?
-Are these flight patterns for flat release, hyzer/anhyzer, nose up/down?
-What is the spin rate at release supposed to be to produce this flight?
-What is the distance scale?
-Is this computed? Or an artistic rendering?
-Is the left-right and up-down to scale? Or is the vertical/horizontal skewed?

I'm very interested in your response. The answers to these questions will help me along in my research.

Cheers!
John

[davei]

Originally Posted by John Hernlund

Hi Dave,

I was wondering how Innova produces flight patterns like the ones compiled in the following image:



I figure that somebody compiled these based upon the patterns published in the Innova catalog. My question is more about the origin of the flight patterns, themselves. Here are some specific questions I have:
-What is the characteristic release speed for these flights?
-Are these flight patterns for flat release, hyzer/anhyzer, nose up/down?
-What is the spin rate at release supposed to be to produce this flight?
-What is the distance scale?
-Is this computed? Or an artistic rendering?
-Is the left-right and up-down to scale? Or is the vertical/horizontal skewed?

I'm very interested in your response. The answers to these questions will help me along in my research.

Cheers!
John

Hi John,
These flights are really not supposed to be compared across all speed ratings; only within speed ratings. Also, I noticed that several are wrong, and if they are ours, need to be changed. One notable was the Yeti shown more low speed overstable than the JK.

One thing is missing from these is the distance grid on the left of each speed category that tells how far the disc needs to fly to achieve these characteristics, thrown flat and nose level, with calm wind. Many people read these distances as how far the disc will fly, but it really represents how far you need to throw it.

As you infer, from your questions, throwing style can change the way the disc flies; especially nose up, nose down, or up wind, down wind.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by Scottcrawford70

I have been playing disc golf for around 2 years now and just can't seem to find a great turnover disc for me. I have a very seasoned DX Beast that i use for my long turnover shots right now but the possibility of it rolling on every shot worries me.If anyone had any suggestions on disc that have a good turnover (RHBH) please let me know.
Thanks so much!

Get yourself a Roadrunner,Leopard. Beat up a Valkyrie. Ask a friend for a old broken in Champ Beast or Valk.
If you want a faster disc look towards the Vulcan.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by Scottcrawford70

I have been playing disc golf for around 2 years now and just can't seem to find a great turnover disc for me. I have a very seasoned DX Beast that i use for my long turnover shots right now but the possibility of it rolling on every shot worries me.If anyone had any suggestions on disc that have a good turnover (RHBH) please let me know.
Thanks so much!

TD from Discmania. Super easy to throw, flies like a Roadrunner and finishes like a Sidewinder.