Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[cgb9800]

I have several green star Excalibers with the first run star stamp. The green color is the same as the early echo plastic, but the back just has the handwritten star (no echo sticker). Are these "echo" plastic, and if yes are the first runs worth more than the $20 I paid for them when they first came out?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Angst

Dave,

The recent super-flat run of Firebirds in the Champion Glow plastic have been really popular in my area. Is there any chance we might see a run of flat-top X-Mold Monsters in the Champion Glow plastic?

Possibly. You might want to put a request to Eric at the Factory Store.

[davei]

Originally Posted by cgb9800

I have several green star Excalibers with the first run star stamp. The green color is the same as the early echo plastic, but the back just has the handwritten star (no echo sticker). Are these "echo" plastic, and if yes are the first runs worth more than the $20 I paid for them when they first came out?

Echo is usually denoted on the back, whether or not there is a sticker. The recent runs have not had stickers.

I don't know what one run is worth versus any other. Sorry.

[drdisc]

When will Champion Vulcans become a stock item?

[20460chase]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INNOVA-BUTTE...item43a99cacc6


Hi Dave. I know your not into the collectors, but do you think this is an accurate disc description? Based off this stamp and the era wouldnt it be more likely this is an SE plastic disc? I ask as I recently held a Teebird with the same plastic being sold as CE and it clearly wasnt CE plastic, but the SE plastic.

Im not out to hurt the sellers auction or anything like that, and am not trying to put you in a position where you do the same. Im just asking about the timeline of that stamp vs. when CE started making it into discs.

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[davei]

Originally Posted by drdisc

When will Champion Vulcans become a stock item?

Some time later this year, I believe.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INNOVA-BUTTE...item43a99cacc6


Hi Dave. I know your not into the collectors, but do you think this is an accurate disc description? Based off this stamp and the era wouldnt it be more likely this is an SE plastic disc? I ask as I recently held a Teebird with the same plastic being sold as CE and it clearly wasnt CE plastic, but the SE plastic.

Im not out to hurt the sellers auction or anything like that, and am not trying to put you in a position where you do the same. Im just asking about the timeline of that stamp vs. when CE started making it into discs.

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It may be an accurate description, but just from the picture, it doesn't even look like anything but DX. The fog line around the rim is more characteristic of DX rather than SE or CE. But that said, I really don't know one way or another.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by davei

It may be an accurate description, but just from the picture, it doesn't even look like anything but DX. The fog line around the rim is more characteristic of DX rather than SE or CE. But that said, I really don't know one way or another.

Okay, I appreciate your insight. Thanks Again Dave.

[jaylane420]

Dave,

I was wondering if an Echo Aviar might be in the works at the innova magic shop??? Personaly, i think it would be a nice complement to the echo line.

Jay

[sprdgr]

Hey Dave,

Now that the new USDGC Champion Rancho Rocs have been released and sold to Partners through DGU, could you please give us your take on why they might be considered special compared to past runs?

thanks,

Mike

[davei]

Originally Posted by jaylane420

Dave,

I was wondering if an Echo Aviar might be in the works at the innova magic shop??? Personaly, i think it would be a nice complement to the echo line.

Jay

They may be available now. At any rate, we will have them from time to time.

[davei]

Originally Posted by sprdgr

Hey Dave,

Now that the new USDGC Champion Rancho Rocs have been released and sold to Partners through DGU, could you please give us your take on why they might be considered special compared to past runs?

thanks,

Mike

Firmest and flattest run in many years. Also very good looking, however I was told to keep the variety down for some reason.

[atreau3]

The "team" specific disc feels very much like a stiff 2003 mold, that fly similarly to the overstable Glow Kenny 4x Champ Rocs.

Maybe JP wanted to "get back to basics" and concentrate on what players/throwers and collectors wanted?

Either way, thank you for these discs.

[sprdgr]

Originally Posted by davei

Firmest and flattest run in many years. Also very good looking, however I was told to keep the variety down for some reason.

I haven't seen any yet because they won't be shipped until after the USDGC but I did hear from several Team Members who have them that they definitely were firm but not necessarily flat. As for the variety, are they all say, yellow 180g?

[davei]

Originally Posted by sprdgr

I haven't seen any yet because they won't be shipped until after the USDGC but I did hear from several Team Members who have them that they definitely were firm but not necessarily flat. As for the variety, are they all say, yellow 180g?

I'm not sure if the team has these yet or not. Most are definitely heavy, but there are several colors, not a lot though, and few tweeners.

[jcrab66]

hey dave, i was just looking at some of my old discs and ran across a couple of 2002 US Masters Gazelles. It got me thinking about what type of plastic they are. I am thinking theses are CE but I may be off by a year or so when the Champ plastic came out. Could you clarify this for me please? Thanks

[rhett]

Originally Posted by jcrab66

hey dave, i was just looking at some of my old discs and ran across a couple of 2002 US Masters Gazelles. It got me thinking about what type of plastic they are. I am thinking theses are CE but I may be off by a year or so when the Champ plastic came out. Could you clarify this for me please? Thanks

Those are the "taffy" Gazelles that all weigh about 160g. They are grippier than the standard slick CE plastic of the time. I think Dave was playing around with the formula to get better grip, better light weight production, and better "manufacture-ability" out of the plastic. There were some gummy 150 CE Valks that came out around that time, too, although they weren't stamped for U.S. Masters.

The purple Gazelles fade in the sunlight and eventually turn a "dirty clear". They don't return to purple after fading.

There were Gazelles, Rhynos, and Aeros in that plastic for U.S. Masters in 2002, as well as Classic Rocs in the same plastic as the 2002 USDGC Rancho Rocs.

Plus there were 50 yellow CE Aviars from the 2001 run using the same plastic as the 2001 USDGC Rocs. They found a 100-pack of the Aviars in the warehouse and stamped half with the 2002 U.S. Masters logo and half with a Texas tourney, worlds maybe? In any event, the yellow 2002 USM Aviars are the same run as the 2001s.

[jcrab66]

thanks for the info!

[aarikc17]

Hey Dave,

I have a suggestion. You should develop a disc that feels like a Roc in hand that is also a large diameter mid, but is understable like a stingray.

If you think about people love throwing seasoned rocs, so why not market to those people with an out of the box flippy roc in DX and KC plastic.

What do you think?

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave,

Do you know how many Glow KC Rocs you guys just ran? Also are you planning on future runs of these for CFR?

Thanks

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by aarikc17

Hey Dave,

I have a suggestion. You should develop a disc that feels like a Roc in hand that is also a large diameter mid, but is understable like a stingray.

If you think about people love throwing seasoned rocs, so why not market to those people with an out of the box flippy roc in DX and KC plastic.

What do you think?

An Ontario, or R-Pro Roc are both flippy out of the box....or will be after one tree.

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by aarikc17

Hey Dave,

I have a suggestion. You should develop a disc that feels like a Roc in hand that is also a large diameter mid, but is understable like a stingray.

If you think about people love throwing seasoned rocs, so why not market to those people with an out of the box flippy roc in DX and KC plastic.

What do you think?

What you are describing is a CE QMS, some of which are flippy and some stable. No longer available except on ebay sometimes or from collectors

[davei]

Originally Posted by aarikc17

Hey Dave,

I have a suggestion. You should develop a disc that feels like a Roc in hand that is also a large diameter mid, but is understable like a stingray.

If you think about people love throwing seasoned rocs, so why not market to those people with an out of the box flippy roc in DX and KC plastic.

What do you think?

Not a bad idea. However a flippy disc out of the box is likely to turn into a really flippy disc in a short time.

It seems that the best turning discs, especially Rocs, have been seasoned from an initial stable beginning. Sanding, tree tuning, etc. just doesn't seem to produce the same results.

[bcary93]

On a related note, has the DX plastic become more durable the last few years? In the last year, I've lost my two well seasoned Rocs and the newer ones I've started throwing don't ding, scuff or scratch. I've had my best results from DX Rocs that wear in fairly quickly from brand new, but are very useful for a long time. The newer ones I've been throwing feel like they won't wear in with nice scuffs, blunted edge and sunken tops.

Originally Posted by davei

Not a bad idea. However a flippy disc out of the box is likely to turn into a really flippy disc in a short time.

It seems that the best turning discs, especially Rocs, have been seasoned from an initial stable beginning. Sanding, tree tuning, etc. just doesn't seem to produce the same results.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave,

Do you know how many Glow KC Rocs you guys just ran? Also are you planning on future runs of these for CFR?

Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Do you know how many Glow KC Rocs you guys just ran? Also are you planning on future runs of these for CFR?

Thanks

sorry, I don't know for sure. I think it was about 4,000. We will run these in the future if the response is good enough.

[pterodactyl]

Hey Dave, how is the Archon performing and selling?

[davei]

Originally Posted by pterodactyl

Hey Dave, how is the Archon performing and selling?

Selling very well. The Star is pretty easy to throw. Good speed and distance.
Not so good into a wind. The Champion is a little more stable and much better into a wind.

[bcary93]

Can you provide any feedback on my question regarding the DX plastic becoming more durable the last few years? I've recently lost my two well worn Rocs and the newer ones I've started throwing don't beat up as much. I've had my best results from DX Rocs that wear in nicely from brand new, but are very useful for a long time. The newer ones I've been throwing feel like they won't wear in with nice scuffs, blunted edge and sunken tops.

[davei]

Originally Posted by bcary93

Can you provide any feedback on my question regarding the DX plastic becoming more durable the last few years? I've recently lost my two well worn Rocs and the newer ones I've started throwing don't beat up as much. I've had my best results from DX Rocs that wear in nicely from brand new, but are very useful for a long time. The newer ones I've been throwing feel like they won't wear in with nice scuffs, blunted edge and sunken tops.

Sorry, I don't have and feedback. I wasn't aware the the latest DX was any different. I am glad it is more durable as it will last longer and once the discs do beat in, they should last longer.