Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 413

jaylane420 · Jun 11 2011, 09:22 PM

Phew!! cancel the scramble. so, does this mean that future champ gators will be square nose (meaning the mold hasn't changed)?

davei · Jun 12 2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylane420

Phew!! cancel the scramble. so, does this mean that future champ gators will be square nose (meaning the mold hasn't changed)?

Yes. If there is a demand for the original round nosed, we will have them in the Pro Shop.

jaylane420 · Jun 13 2011, 08:32 AM

thanks dave....you da man!

djb240z · Jun 13 2011, 11:21 AM

Hey Dave, is the star sl a thing of the past? I see it is not on the Innova site. If so why did they stop making it and will they bring it back? Thanks!

davei · Jun 13 2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by djb240z

Hey Dave, is the star sl a thing of the past? I see it is not on the Innova site. If so why did they stop making it and will they bring it back? Thanks!

It will be back, but the mold needs repair. Not sure of the time frame.

deshemag11 · Jun 14 2011, 10:46 AM

Hey Dave, I've recently been getting into some of the older plastic; CE, Pro Line, etc., and I've gotten a pretty good grasp on their mold and plastic differences. What I am a little fuzzy on is the plastic difference between the KC Pro runs. Ever since I started disc golfing, 12x's were already released. MY QUESTION...What is the difference in the plastic, durability, and stability between the 9x, 10x, 11x, and 12x KC Pro Runs, say more specifically (if it makes it easier) with KC Pro Eagles? Thanks for the help!

davei · Jun 14 2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deshemag11

Hey Dave, I've recently been getting into some of the older plastic; CE, Pro Line, etc., and I've gotten a pretty good grasp on their mold and plastic differences. What I am a little fuzzy on is the plastic difference between the KC Pro runs. Ever since I started disc golfing, 12x's were already released. MY QUESTION...What is the difference in the plastic, durability, and stability between the 9x, 10x, 11x, and 12x KC Pro Runs, say more specifically (if it makes it easier) with KC Pro Eagles? Thanks for the help!

That question is out of my league. You are going to have to ask collectors. Sorry.

Cooper · Jun 16 2011, 07:53 AM

Dave (or really anyone who knows),

How often are KC Aviars run in non-white colors? I've been looking for a nice black one but it seems that they are fairly rare. Any thoughts on the best way to find one?

flynvegas · Jun 16 2011, 09:27 AM

[QUOTE=Cooper;1456802]Dave (or really anyone who knows),

How often are KC Aviars run in non-white colors? I've been looking for a nice black one but it seems that they are fairly rare. Any thoughts on the best way to find one?[/QUOT

Try discgolfvalues, Mark has a section for black discs.

rizbee · Jun 16 2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooper

Dave (or really anyone who knows),

How often are KC Aviars run in non-white colors? I've been looking for a nice black one but it seems that they are fairly rare. Any thoughts on the best way to find one?

Or you could join the San Diego Aces Disc Golf Club and request that your membership disc be a Black KC Pro Aviar. www.sandiegoaces.com

Before you put your money down, you should send a message (through the site) to the Membership Director, Dan Lichtman, to make sure he still has some. He also had some purple ones...

futurecollisions · Jun 20 2011, 12:16 PM

Hey Dave,

Would the champion teebird+ tend to be more stable or less stable than the regular champion teebird?

Thanks

davei · Jun 20 2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Hey Dave,

Would the champion teebird+ tend to be more stable or less stable than the regular champion teebird?

Thanks

depends upon the run, I suppose. I've heard both ways but have only experienced that it is about the same. The only real difference is the grip. If I hadn't heard differently, I would say the + mold is the same at high speed and a little less low speed over stable.

DouglasDetroit · Jun 29 2011, 11:09 PM

is it still possible to order the star beadless Gators? or are they available for tournament disc?

davei · Jun 30 2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DouglasDetroit

is it still possible to order the star beadless Gators? or are they available for tournament disc?

I don't see them on the available list, but you can ask Eric at the west coast office. He may have them available at the Factory Store.

killamgreg · Jun 30 2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftyGod

Champion rams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been throwing RAMS since 96'. Wimp introduced me to the RAM and called it the bowling ball of disc golf. A few years ago Dave Moody gave me what he believed to be a Champion Viper and asked me to compare the two disc's. I never threw it but told him I didn't think anything could be compared to a RAM. My four questions follow: Did you run Viper's in Champion plastic? Would you ever consider running RAMS in Champion plastic? If you did would they be the original mold? In your opinion, how do you think a RAM and a Champion Viper(if they exist) compare? Thank you!

davei · Jun 30 2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by killamgreg

I've been throwing RAMS since 96'. Wimp introduced me to the RAM and called it the bowling ball of disc golf. A few years ago Dave Moody gave me what he believed to be a Champion Viper and asked me to compare the two disc's. I never threw it but told him I didn't think anything could be compared to a RAM. My four questions follow: Did you run Viper's in Champion plastic? Would you ever consider running RAMS in Champion plastic? If you did would they be the original mold? In your opinion, how do you think a RAM and a Champion Viper(if they exist) compare? Thank you!

We did run Champion Vipers a few years ago. Not many. The Ram mold is the same as it was the last runs we did. I don't remember if it had any modifications from the original run. We would consider running Rams in Champion for the Factory Store.

I don't know if I could compare a Champion Viper to a Ram accurately. It's been too long since I've thrown a Ram. Both are in a similar niche. The Viper is a little faster and the Ram a little more over stable.

AWSmith · Jun 30 2011, 07:21 PM

so whats up with the factory store anyway?

also, what other plastics are planned for the vulcan?

davei · Jul 01 2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

so whats up with the factory store anyway?

also, what other plastics are planned for the vulcan?

The store should open this month. The Vulcan will be made in Star, Champion, and Pro. No plans for R-Pro or Dx as yet.

quickdisc · Jul 01 2011, 04:57 PM

I'd like to come up to this factory store. Where will it be located ?

Thanks in Advance !

Donny Olow
donnyotime@yahoo.com

davei · Jul 01 2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by quickdisc

I'd like to come up to this factory store. Where will it be located ?

Thanks in Advance !

Donny Olow
donnyotime@yahoo.com

It will share the building with Herodisc, but it won't be open to the public probably til next year when the sales offices move to Ontario. Until that time, everything will be on line.

kinfolkfan · Jul 02 2011, 06:58 PM

I was wondering if the mold for Champion Sidewinders had changed recently. I saw a new one at KOTL in Tahoe and the inside rim seemed to be angled out instead of directly down from the flight plate. If the disc were upside down and you were looking at the rim what use to look like this _l is now _/ . Sorry if this had been discussed earlier but after a few pages I gave up searching.

veearesix · Jul 04 2011, 10:54 PM

Just out of curiosity, although I'm sure this question has been asked plenty of times on here, but I was wondering why the old CE plastic was discontinued. I love the feel of the plastic and the durability of it. I use my CE Valk, Eagle and Teebird the most out of anything in my bag and love the consistency of it.

Thanks!

veearesix · Jul 04 2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kinfolkfan

I was wondering if the mold for Champion Sidewinders had changed recently. I saw a new one at KOTL in Tahoe and the inside rim seemed to be angled out instead of directly down from the flight plate. If the disc were upside down and you were looking at the rim what use to look like this _l is now _/ . Sorry if this had been discussed earlier but after a few pages I gave up searching.

Sidewinder Plus maybe? I know the plus molds of the Roc and Teebird have angled rims like that. Just an idea but I wouldn't quote me on it lol

davei · Jul 05 2011, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kinfolkfan

I was wondering if the mold for Champion Sidewinders had changed recently. I saw a new one at KOTL in Tahoe and the inside rim seemed to be angled out instead of directly down from the flight plate. If the disc were upside down and you were looking at the rim what use to look like this _l is now _/ . Sorry if this had been discussed earlier but after a few pages I gave up searching.

Possibly made with a different mold bottom or different material, but not a + mold. Those are only on Rocs, TeeBirds, and Eagles.

davei · Jul 05 2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by veearesix

Just out of curiosity, although I'm sure this question has been asked plenty of times on here, but I was wondering why the old CE plastic was discontinued. I love the feel of the plastic and the durability of it. I use my CE Valk, Eagle and Teebird the most out of anything in my bag and love the consistency of it.

Thanks!

The old CE plastic was and is no longer available.

veearesix · Jul 05 2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

The old CE plastic was and is no longer available.

Obviously. I understand that but I was wondering why you stopped producing the plastic.

kinfolkfan · Jul 05 2011, 11:25 AM

So Innova just changes a mold bottom and sells it as the same disc with out even telling anyone, including you? Strange.

tafe · Jul 05 2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by veearesix

Obviously. I understand that but I was wondering why you stopped producing the plastic.

Innova just molds the plastic. They actually buy it from producers.

Honor Guard · Jul 05 2011, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veearesix

Just out of curiosity, although I'm sure this question has been asked plenty of times on here, but I was wondering why the old CE plastic was discontinued. I love the feel of the plastic and the durability of it. I use my CE Valk, Eagle and Teebird the most out of anything in my bag and love the consistency of it.

Thanks!

over at marshall street disc golf's site they are stating that they heard the reason was because the CE plastic was 'too durable'! even quoting a discraft rep as saying that innova was 'out of their minds' (or something close to that) for introducing CE plastic! basically saying that innova would never make any money on discs that never wore out!

i find this hard too believe, but it is on their site, under one of the discs descriptions, i forget which one. they even name the discraft rep!

dave, can you put this rumor to rest!

Furthur · Jul 05 2011, 04:21 PM

Dave has put this rumor to rest multiple times. People are just too lazy to use the search button.

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Jun 11 2011, 09:22 PM	#12361
jaylane420 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: charleston, sc Posts: 4	Phew!! cancel the scramble. so, does this mean that future champ gators will be square nose (meaning the mold hasn't changed)?

Jun 13 2011, 08:32 AM	#12363
jaylane420 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: charleston, sc Posts: 4	thanks dave....you da man!

Jun 13 2011, 11:21 AM	#12364
djb240z PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Redding CA. Posts: 10	Hey Dave, is the star sl a thing of the past? I see it is not on the Innova site. If so why did they stop making it and will they bring it back? Thanks!

Jun 14 2011, 10:46 AM	#12366
deshemag11 PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1	Hey Dave, I've recently been getting into some of the older plastic; CE, Pro Line, etc., and I've gotten a pretty good grasp on their mold and plastic differences. What I am a little fuzzy on is the plastic difference between the KC Pro runs. Ever since I started disc golfing, 12x's were already released. MY QUESTION...What is the difference in the plastic, durability, and stability between the 9x, 10x, 11x, and 12x KC Pro Runs, say more specifically (if it makes it easier) with KC Pro Eagles? Thanks for the help!

Jun 16 2011, 07:53 AM	#12368
Cooper PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 15	Dave (or really anyone who knows), How often are KC Aviars run in non-white colors? I've been looking for a nice black one but it seems that they are fairly rare. Any thoughts on the best way to find one?

Jun 16 2011, 09:27 AM	#12369
flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	[QUOTE=Cooper;1456802]Dave (or really anyone who knows), How often are KC Aviars run in non-white colors? I've been looking for a nice black one but it seems that they are fairly rare. Any thoughts on the best way to find one?[/QUOT Try discgolfvalues, Mark has a section for black discs.

Jun 20 2011, 12:16 PM	#12371
futurecollisions PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: houston Posts: 235	Hey Dave, Would the champion teebird+ tend to be more stable or less stable than the regular champion teebird? Thanks

Jun 29 2011, 11:09 PM	#12373
DouglasDetroit PDGA Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15	is it still possible to order the star beadless Gators? or are they available for tournament disc?

Jul 02 2011, 06:58 PM	#12381
kinfolkfan PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3	I was wondering if the mold for Champion Sidewinders had changed recently. I saw a new one at KOTL in Tahoe and the inside rim seemed to be angled out instead of directly down from the flight plate. If the disc were upside down and you were looking at the rim what use to look like this _l is now _/ . Sorry if this had been discussed earlier but after a few pages I gave up searching.

Jul 04 2011, 10:54 PM	#12382
veearesix PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7	Just out of curiosity, although I'm sure this question has been asked plenty of times on here, but I was wondering why the old CE plastic was discontinued. I love the feel of the plastic and the durability of it. I use my CE Valk, Eagle and Teebird the most out of anything in my bag and love the consistency of it. Thanks!

Jul 05 2011, 11:25 AM	#12387
kinfolkfan PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3	So Innova just changes a mold bottom and sells it as the same disc with out even telling anyone, including you? Strange.

Jul 05 2011, 04:21 PM	#12390
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Dave has put this rumor to rest multiple times. People are just too lazy to use the search button.