Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 412

AWSmith · May 25 2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by klittle08

Dave,

I've seen a few of these "Test Configuration Valkyrie X's" that were made in CE plastic. Namely Mark has some still for sale on his site. Do you know how these things fly at all? Were they more of a Viking than a Valkyrie? Or were they notched like an Eagle-X?

Being a huge Valk thrower I've always wondered if they'd be worth picking up and if they'd glide/carry like other Valks or if it would be a bit of a dud.

The VX i used to own was a stable and straight thing of beauty. they were lasers that did whatever you wanted them too. they even flew straight into hard headwinds. would flip nice with alot of power and didnt have hard fade but some. i was really ****** when some chucker ran off with it. its similar to the whole BX BL, TB TL, EX EL, FB FL...so on and so on.

aarikc17 · May 25 2011, 09:53 PM

Dave,

Is it possible to run the Champ Glo Firebirds down to 157-159g ? That would be a good fundraiser for the Japan Open.

If you could, would you?

davei · May 26 2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aarikc17

Dave,

Is it possible to run the Champ Glo Firebirds down to 157-159g ? That would be a good fundraiser for the Japan Open.

If you could, would you?

That decision would be up to Sam Ferrans, but I certainly would if he wanted it. I don't know if it is possible as the Glo adds weight.

davei · May 26 2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisMacG

Dave, What are the odds of seeing a Star plastic run of the XD this year?

No idea right now. It depends on how many requests we get and opportunity to mold.

davei · May 26 2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by warlocks00

Dave, Got a curiousity question. How long do you think you can keep coming out with a new disc every few months?

When I started playing DG...which is not that long ago in the grand sceme of Disc Golf(2004), we were lucky to see 1 new disc a year..if that. Now days it seems like something new is being released every few months. Which for sure pumps up disc sales, as everyone has got the to have "the latest and greatest". Even if they don't need or have the arm for it.

I have no idea. I thought I was done a couple of years ago, but they keep on coming on.

Jacks · May 26 2011, 03:02 PM

Hi Dave,

I saw that someone asked about this in 2008, but will the Pig become available in Star plastic? It's by far my favorite utility disc and I'd love to get one in beefier plastic (although a beat up pig is great too). Also, will it ever become available in regular Pro plastic again?

Thanks.

davei · May 27 2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Hi Dave,

I saw that someone asked about this in 2008, but will the Pig become available in Star plastic? It's by far my favorite utility disc and I'd love to get one in beefier plastic (although a beat up pig is great too). Also, will it ever become available in regular Pro plastic again?

Thanks.

We will do some Star or Champion if it is possible weight wise. R-Pro is the usual, but we may be able to do some driver Pro in the future, if we can secure a good supply of the plastic.

jksenior · May 27 2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

We will do some Star or Champion if it is possible weight wise. R-Pro is the usual, but we may be able to do some driver Pro in the future, if we can secure a good supply of the plastic.

A gummy champion Pig would be awfully nice.

cbdiscpimp · May 27 2011, 07:10 PM

What do you think would results in a flippy Destroyer or should I just throw the Pro Destroyers?

davei · May 27 2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cbdiscpimp

What do you think would results in a flippy Destroyer or should I just throw the Pro Destroyers?

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

20460chase · May 28 2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cbdiscpimp

What do you think would results in a flippy Destroyer or should I just throw the Pro Destroyers?

Throw the Pro. It will be beat up before you know it and should be the disc your asking about. I stopped throwing them because they turned into what you want.

20460chase · May 28 2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by warlocks00

Dave, Got a curiousity question. How long do you think you can keep coming out with a new disc every few months?

When I started playing DG...which is not that long ago in the grand sceme of Disc Golf(2004), we were lucky to see 1 new disc a year..if that. Now days it seems like something new is being released every few months. Which for sure pumps up disc sales, as everyone has got the to have "the latest and greatest". Even if they don't need or have the arm for it.

Seriously? You understand that Innova is a business right? The point of being in business is to make money. It doesnt matter if its needed or not, or if its worthwhile, its coming either way.

My question is how long will it be before the tech standards are "changed" so you can release even more discs? How many are already waiting in the wings when this happens? I remember when there was talk about how Dave D wanted a limit to speed and rim width for PDGA play, which I fully supported. What went wrong there?

According to the newest flight charts you can only fill one more box on top of the Ape, which I assume will be an Ape-X or something I am sure is in the works? Its been a month...

cgkdisc · May 28 2011, 12:16 PM

Dave D and Innova were against raising the wing width to the level that was set. The Tech group and Board finally decided to set the value at the smallest wing width dimension of the Epic which had already been approved. Just like the other manufacturers, Innova has created discs that meet the revised specs that were set at that time. There's no lurking initiative by any manufacturer that we're (Tech Standards) aware of nor the PDGA to extend the specs beyond their current levels.

20460chase · May 28 2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Dave D and Innova were against raising the wing width to the level that was set. The Tech group and Board finally decided to set the value at the smallest wing width dimension of the Epic which had already been approved. Just like the other manufacturers, Innova has created discs that meet the revised specs that were set at that time. There's no lurking initiative by any manufacturer that we're (Tech Standards) aware of nor the PDGA to extend the specs beyond their current levels.

That your aware of? Seriously? Why would they bring it up to you? Possibly to feel out where you may be on it, but otherwise I dont think thats a decision Innova or any other business is going to include you in on until they have to.

They will get changed, and Im not saying Innova is lobbying for that change, but I am saying they will and was curious how long the Innova timeline is on that. Since I probably wont get a real answer, no worries. Ill just wait another year or 2 for it to happen, like everyone else.

cgkdisc · May 28 2011, 03:03 PM

Definitely a cynical point of view. If the Epic had not been approved quite a while ago, the wing width spec likely wouldn't be as wide as it is now. It was close to 50/50 on being set 3mm less. I would not hold your breath on any future increase in the wing width. The next spec change if any might be to support night disc golf. Manufacturers are unlikely to share their new designs that will fall within existing specs with us in advance. But several have shared potential innovations in advance that might require a change in specs.

drdisc · May 31 2011, 11:14 PM

Now that the CFR Vulcan has run it's course, may we order those as CFR's for other events?

JenniferB · Jun 01 2011, 12:38 AM

Dear Dave,

Retailers report lately that they are not able to get Gazelles lower in weight than170.

Can you please offer some insight on what causes this issue, and a prediction regarding whether this one is likely temporary or permanent?

davei · Jun 01 2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by drdisc

Now that the CFR Vulcan has run it's course, may we order those as CFR's for other events?

I don't know for sure yet (no one in offices yet), but I don't see why not except possibly for supply. The supply issue, if any, will only be temporary.

davei · Jun 01 2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JenniferB

Dear Dave,

Retailers report lately that they are not able to get Gazelles lower in weight than170.

Can you please offer some insight on what causes this issue, and a prediction regarding whether this one is likely temporary or permanent?

We have two different supply sources in East and West offices. East Coast is out of 165-169gm. It is definitely only a temporary issue.

davei · Jun 01 2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by drdisc

Now that the CFR Vulcan has run it's course, may we order those as CFR's for other events?

The sales guys say July 1, they will be available for other CFR events.

AWSmith · Jun 07 2011, 11:00 PM

whats the chances of getting something between the destroyer and wahoo?

davei · Jun 08 2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

whats the chances of getting something between the destroyer and wahoo?

I assume you mean an in-between speed 12? We have something in the works that will be coming out later this year probably. It will be closer to the Destroyer than the Wahoo and come in a wider weight range than the Destroyer which will allow for lower weights in driver plastic. Probably low 60s.

DSproAVIAR · Jun 08 2011, 05:50 PM

Dave,

Has there been a recent mold change for Star Destroyers? I've heard rumors that there were Vulcan-top Star DS's stamped with the regular Star DS stamp and shipped, and I'm pretty sure that the rumors are accurate. Actually I'm not certain about the new top being from the Vulcan but it sure does look like a different top than previous Star DS's I've thrown. Can you shed any light on this? Was the Star DS mold changed? How and why?

Thanks!

davei · Jun 08 2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Has there been a recent mold change for Star Destroyers? I've heard rumors that there were Vulcan-top Star DS's stamped with the regular Star DS stamp and shipped, and I'm pretty sure that the rumors are accurate. Actually I'm not certain about the new top being from the Vulcan but it sure does look like a different top than previous Star DS's I've thrown. Can you shed any light on this? Was the Star DS mold changed? How and why?

Thanks!

The recent runs have an odd cooling property. It makes it appear as if there is a mini thumtrac, when there is none. Sometimes it is more pronounced than other times. It is not a mold change.

AWSmith · Jun 08 2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

I assume you mean an in-between speed 12? We have something in the works that will be coming out later this year probably. It will be closer to the Destroyer than the Wahoo and come in a wider weight range than the Destroyer which will allow for lower weights in driver plastic. Probably low 60s.

awesome. thats exactly what i was looking for. just a slight less overstable destroyer. will it have a smaller rim like that in the 2.2-2.4cm range?

discgolf lion · Jun 09 2011, 05:33 AM

Dave,
I figured I would check in since it has been 2 months since I asked about new disc golf courses in southern california. I called Glen Helen in Devour and they told me the disc golf course was under construction. Can you add anything to this or have you heard anything about this course? Any new info on Yucaipa or any other possible new courses poping up in the area? Please chime in with any news or rumors. thanks

davei · Jun 09 2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

awesome. thats exactly what i was looking for. just a slight less overstable destroyer. will it have a smaller rim like that in the 2.2-2.4cm range?

Rim size same as the Destroyer.

davei · Jun 09 2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by discgolf lion

Dave,
I figured I would check in since it has been 2 months since I asked about new disc golf courses in southern california. I called Glen Helen in Devore and they told me the disc golf course was under construction. Can you add anything to this or have you heard anything about this course? Any new info on Yucaipa or any other possible new courses poping up in the area? Please chime in with any news or rumors. thanks

Glen Helen is ready to install, but we haven't gotten any word of the exact time. Should be in the next week or so. Yucaipa is on a much longer schedule. That may take into next season because of all the prep work that has to go into the land space.

The parks departments in San Bernardino County continue to be very positive about getting courses into every available space, but the realities of budgets and schedules is going to make this a long term project. I can see a dozen or more courses going in over time, but I don't know what that time frame is.

jaylane420 · Jun 11 2011, 09:25 AM

dave,

i would love to know why the mold for the champ gator has changed. I recently picked up a 175g champ gator from the west coast (i live in sc), with the european open stamp on it, and it has a rounded nose on it (which was advertised)....vs. the origional "square" nose mold. the rounded nose configuration seems to be a completely different disc! It is much more understable/domey/soft.....where as my other "sqaure nose" gators are overstable/flat/stiff. the, now billed "square nose" gator, is a mainstay in my bag, its like my firebirds fat little brother!..... I would hate to see the origional mold go oop. it almost seems as though there is a missing link the overstable mids for innova now. i'm scrambling around trying to find some square nose gators to put away for the future. why the change?

davei · Jun 11 2011, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylane420

dave,

i would love to know why the mold for the champ gator has changed. I recently picked up a 175g champ gator from the west coast (i live in sc), with the european open stamp on it, and it has a rounded nose on it (which was advertised)....vs. the origional "square" nose mold. the rounded nose configuration seems to be a completely different disc! It is much more understable/domey/soft.....where as my other "sqaure nose" gators are overstable/flat/stiff. the, now billed "square nose" gator, is a mainstay in my bag, its like my firebirds fat little brother!..... I would hate to see the origional mold go oop. it almost seems as though there is a missing link the overstable mids for innova now. i'm scrambling around trying to find some square nose gators to put away for the future. why the change?

The original round nosed Gator was a mistake. We changed to the square nose and were supposed to stay.

May 28 2011, 12:16 PM	#12343
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,219	Dave D and Innova were against raising the wing width to the level that was set. The Tech group and Board finally decided to set the value at the smallest wing width dimension of the Epic which had already been approved. Just like the other manufacturers, Innova has created discs that meet the revised specs that were set at that time. There's no lurking initiative by any manufacturer that we're (Tech Standards) aware of nor the PDGA to extend the specs beyond their current levels. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 28 2011, 03:03 PM	#12345
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,219	Definitely a cynical point of view. If the Epic had not been approved quite a while ago, the wing width spec likely wouldn't be as wide as it is now. It was close to 50/50 on being set 3mm less. I would not hold your breath on any future increase in the wing width. The next spec change if any might be to support night disc golf. Manufacturers are unlikely to share their new designs that will fall within existing specs with us in advance. But several have shared potential innovations in advance that might require a change in specs. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc. Last edited by cgkdisc; May 28 2011 at 03:16 PM.

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drdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL. Posts: 342	Now that the CFR Vulcan has run it's course, may we order those as CFR's for other events? __________________ DrDisc/033

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May 25 2011, 09:53 PM	#12332
aarikc17 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 11	Dave, Is it possible to run the Champ Glo Firebirds down to 157-159g ? That would be a good fundraiser for the Japan Open. If you could, would you?

May 26 2011, 03:02 PM	#12336
Jacks PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1	Hi Dave, I saw that someone asked about this in 2008, but will the Pig become available in Star plastic? It's by far my favorite utility disc and I'd love to get one in beefier plastic (although a beat up pig is great too). Also, will it ever become available in regular Pro plastic again? Thanks.

May 27 2011, 07:10 PM	#12339
cbdiscpimp PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northville, Michigan Posts: 4,805	What do you think would results in a flippy Destroyer or should I just throw the Pro Destroyers?

Jun 01 2011, 12:38 AM	#12347
JenniferB PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 231	Dear Dave, Retailers report lately that they are not able to get Gazelles lower in weight than170. Can you please offer some insight on what causes this issue, and a prediction regarding whether this one is likely temporary or permanent?

Jun 07 2011, 11:00 PM	#12351
AWSmith PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 338	whats the chances of getting something between the destroyer and wahoo?

Jun 08 2011, 05:50 PM	#12353
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Dave, Has there been a recent mold change for Star Destroyers? I've heard rumors that there were Vulcan-top Star DS's stamped with the regular Star DS stamp and shipped, and I'm pretty sure that the rumors are accurate. Actually I'm not certain about the new top being from the Vulcan but it sure does look like a different top than previous Star DS's I've thrown. Can you shed any light on this? Was the Star DS mold changed? How and why? Thanks!

Jun 09 2011, 05:33 AM	#12356
discgolf lion PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: SOCAL Posts: 5	Dave, I figured I would check in since it has been 2 months since I asked about new disc golf courses in southern california. I called Glen Helen in Devour and they told me the disc golf course was under construction. Can you add anything to this or have you heard anything about this course? Any new info on Yucaipa or any other possible new courses poping up in the area? Please chime in with any news or rumors. thanks

Jun 11 2011, 09:25 AM	#12359
jaylane420 PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: charleston, sc Posts: 4	dave, i would love to know why the mold for the champ gator has changed. I recently picked up a 175g champ gator from the west coast (i live in sc), with the european open stamp on it, and it has a rounded nose on it (which was advertised)....vs. the origional "square" nose mold. the rounded nose configuration seems to be a completely different disc! It is much more understable/domey/soft.....where as my other "sqaure nose" gators are overstable/flat/stiff. the, now billed "square nose" gator, is a mainstay in my bag, its like my firebirds fat little brother!..... I would hate to see the origional mold go oop. it almost seems as though there is a missing link the overstable mids for innova now. i'm scrambling around trying to find some square nose gators to put away for the future. why the change?