Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[Mayumoogy]

So I got an x out Archon and LOVE IT!!!! It took some getting used to but once I released with some hyzer it flew straight as an arrow! The archon has the Vulcan top and Wraith bottom. I was wondering if you were planning any other hybrid discs in the future? Also when can I look forward to an Archon in a first run stamp? I cant wait to get my hands on a few of them!

[TomJenkins]

Dave, I was told by someone at crown point worlds last summer that the star katanas marked S/ are stabilized versions. Is this true? And how do you think the echo star plastic katanas fly differently than regular star? Thanks for making the worlds best discs.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Mayumoogy

So I got an x out Archon and LOVE IT!!!! It took some getting used to but once I released with some hyzer it flew straight as an arrow! The archon has the Vulcan top and Wraith bottom. I was wondering if you were planning any other hybrid discs in the future? Also when can I look forward to an Archon in a first run stamp? I cant wait to get my hands on a few of them!

We will try all combinations at some point. First run Archons will be available about mid May.

[davei]

Originally Posted by TomJenkins

Dave, I was told by someone at crown point worlds last summer that the star katanas marked S/ are stabilized versions. Is this true? And how do you think the echo star plastic katanas fly differently than regular star? Thanks for making the worlds best discs.

Katanas marked S are the same as those marked with a Star. There are various degrees of stability within the Star Katanas. Echo Star Katanas were slightly less high speed stable than most regular Stars, but that is only a generality. The most stable Katanas I have seen were Champion.

[markpeterson]

Hi Dave,
Are all champion material discs made from 2000- 2004 CE? When did champion plastic become what it is today? P.S. I would love a long winded answer.

Thanks, Mark

[davei]

Originally Posted by markpeterson

Hi Dave,
Are all champion material discs made from 2000- 2004 CE? When did champion plastic become what it is today? P.S. I would love a long winded answer.

Thanks, Mark

CE stood for Champion Edition. We eventually dropped the Edition and just called it Champion. It had nothing to do with a material change. The original material we got from the manufacturer changed at some point, as all the material from all the manufacturers changes with each batch run. We have tried many many materials from several manufacturers, but the first two batches we got from one manufacturer was a little tougher than the subsequent runs. That original plastic was a little stiffer too and probably wouldn't pass standards if it were made in Wraiths, Destroyers etc.

[markpeterson]

Thanks Dave. Would you remember which discs were run with that plastic from the first 2 batches you mentioned? BTW it's great that that you take the time to do this. I for one really do appreciate it! Thank you!

Thanks again,Mark

[quickdisc]

I would love to get a Original Run Red Candy CE Destroyer !!!!

[markpeterson]

Donny you know there are no CE Destroyers. Besides, you would just give it away anyway!

[rizbee]

Hi Dave,

One of my workhorse discs is a 150g gummy Champion TeeBird. I love the grippiness of the gummy plastic, and the proven predictability of the TeeBird's flight. I know you produce some TL's in Champion plastic as part of the TFR/CFR program. Are there ever any of these discs produced in 150-class weights, especially using that great gummy plastic?

Thanks!

[tarel]

Originally Posted by davei

We have run Vulcans as light as 158g, but the plastic doesn't always cooperate to go down that low. I believe we are making 160gm of late. The Ape will not go down to 150 class in Star. I believe the Flick is a mid 50s disc, but we don't have anything quite that light except some very flat Firebirds we made recently. Monsters won't get that light.

Hey dave I managed to get my hands on a heavier firebird that was for a pdga event I attended recently on april 30th. I see what your talking about with the flat firebirds. The fb I picked up was max weight and flat and hard as a board.

There has been some apes coming in at 172g is this a mistake or intended?

Give a raise to who ever pushed the button who made my disc.


Also your EG Boss is amazing beyond words.

High Five

[davei]

Originally Posted by markpeterson

Thanks Dave. Would you remember which discs were run with that plastic from the first 2 batches you mentioned? BTW it's great that that you take the time to do this. I for one really do appreciate it! Thank you!

Thanks again,Mark

Valkyries, Firebirds, TeeBirds, TeeBird L, Leopards. Also probably EagleL and Banshee. Less probably but possible: Cheetahs.

[davei]

Originally Posted by rizbee

Hi Dave,

One of my workhorse discs is a 150g gummy Champion TeeBird. I love the grippiness of the gummy plastic, and the proven predictability of the TeeBird's flight. I know you produce some TL's in Champion plastic as part of the TFR/CFR program. Are there ever any of these discs produced in 150-class weights, especially using that great gummy plastic?

Thanks!

We usually don't do 150 for TFR?CFR and I don't remember doing any TLs in gummy. Maybe, but I don't remember any. Valks, yes. TeeBees yes. Leopards yes. Panthers yes.

[davei]

Originally Posted by tarel

Hey dave I managed to get my hands on a heavier firebird that was for a pdga event I attended recently on april 30th. I see what your talking about with the flat firebirds. The fb I picked up was max weight and flat and hard as a board.

There has been some apes coming in at 172g is this a mistake or intended?

Give a raise to who ever pushed the button who made my disc.


Also your EG Boss is amazing beyond words.

High Five

Apes will go down to 170, but not consistently. We have run Pro Apes down to 161 gms. They are stupid stable, soft, grippy, and domey.

[junky]

What does a C on the bottom of a champion plastic disc stand for? Cheetah? Cobra? It looks to be a midrange disc or a short driver...

[davei]

Originally Posted by junky

What does a C on the bottom of a champion plastic disc stand for? Cheetah? Cobra? It looks to be a midrange disc or a short driver...

C could be Co, Cy, Cro, Ch. Cheetah is a fairway driver. All the others are mids. I would have to see the disc to confirm one way or another.

[discgolf lion]

Dave,
the Rancho Jurupa 9 hole course is ok, not to many trees and very simple. Only one long hole. hole 2 400+. The rest are all easy and simple holes. Only 2 holes have trees on them really. Most holes are 240-280 feet and wide open. Do you have a time line for the course in Devour? Let me know thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by discgolf lion

Dave,
the Rancho Jurupa 9 hole course is ok, not to many trees and very simple. Only one long hole. hole 2 400+. The rest are all easy and simple holes. Only 2 holes have trees on them really. Most holes are 240-280 feet and wide open. Do you have a time line for the course in Devour? Let me know thanks

No time line yet, but we have gotten a purchase order for the baskets, and the course has already been designed.

[discgolf lion]

Dave,
I talk to you a while ago about the course in Devour and you had mentioned that if they let you design the course on a certain piece of land that you wanted it would be a really awesome course. By chance did they give you that land or just another random part of the park. I purchased a year pass for the san bernardino regional parks now that there will be three parks with potentially awesome courses. I love the prado and yucaipa courses. Any word about the Yucaipa course? Are they moving the baskets or adding another 18 hole course. Let me know and thanks for keeping me on top of things.

[davei]

Originally Posted by discgolf lion

Dave,
I talk to you a while ago about the course in Devour and you had mentioned that if they let you design the course on a certain piece of land that you wanted it would be a really awesome course. By chance did they give you that land or just another random part of the park. I purchased a year pass for the san bernardino regional parks now that there will be three parks with potentially awesome courses. I love the prado and yucaipa courses. Any word about the Yucaipa course? Are they moving the baskets or adding another 18 hole course. Let me know and thanks for keeping me on top of things.

Sorry, I didn't get the part of the park with the water. But I did get enough space for three Par 4s.

Yucaipa is adding another 18 in a previously unused part of the park that isn't even open yet. It has to have the fences moved and brush removed before we can start designing.

[jksenior]

Dave, any update on the factor store?

[LastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by jksenior

Dave, any update on the factor store?

Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know...

Even the URL for this store would be nice...

[davei]

Originally Posted by jksenior

Dave, any update on the factor store?

Every time I ask, it's two to three weeks. Same this time. Apparently the money processing system needs to be finalized, and discs hot stamped. Other than that, I am told we are good to go.

[LastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by davei

Every time I ask, it's two to three weeks. Same this time. Apparently the money processing system needs to be finalized, and discs hot stamped. Other than that, I am told we are good to go.

Anyway to get a list of what the store will carry posted here so that i can set a part of my paycheck for "misc. expenses"...?

[rizbee]

Dave - I finally was able to try out the Vulcan and Archon this weekend with near-full power drives. Speaking as a player with somewhat slower arm speed, I love these discs! The Vulcan was super-fast coming out of my hand and flipped up very nicely from a hyzer release. It had a long, consistent turn, which will require some fine-tuning of nose and release angle to perfect, but I'm looking forward to having this new distance tool in my bag. I didn't try any rollers, but there's a trip out to Goat Hill in my future for that.

The Archon was also a pleasant surprise. I have carried a Wraith in the past in a limited fashion, but always wanted them to flip a little bit more. The Archon does that for me. The disc I was throwing was heavier than I would normally throw, but I used it on a few headwind shots which seemed to suit the heavier weight fine.

Thank you for these new designs!

[AWSmith]

dave,

i was under the impression that when you buy an Am Worlds disc youre supposed to get a card with it. am i correct? if so, what is the card supposed to be for? and what should i do if i didnt get one?

[davei]

Originally Posted by smyith

dave,

i was under the impression that when you buy an Am Worlds disc youre supposed to get a card with it. am i correct? if so, what is the card supposed to be for? and what should i do if i didnt get one?

CFR discs get certificates that you fill out and send in for prize drawings each month. I assume the Am Worlds discs are part of the CFR program. I think you need to ask the person you bought it from. If it was one of our sites, no problem, let them know. If it was a dealer intermediary, possibly a problem as some of them have been keeping the certificates or don't know they should be giving them to the end customer. I suggest you call or email the west or east coast office and ask for the person who handles the CFR program for you exact course of action.

[one19]

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Dear Dave -

As we are nearing your Mid-May target date I am getting excited.
Is the intention that Star Archon's will be PRESSED in Mid-May or RELEASED then?

Thanks -

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[one19]

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As I am new to DG, I have experienced some confusion regarding the terms OVERstable, UNDERstable, and just plain STABLE.

Overstable seems to describe a RHBH throw finishing hard to the left.
Understable seems to describe the same throw creating a rightish turn or a potential turnover.

That leaves STABLE.

As a psychologist, STABLE in a person leads one to believe that variance is low, and extremes in behavior are not usually in evidence.

I originally thought a STABLE disc was one that flew basically STRAIGHT -
With little fade or variance one way or the other.

Yet it seems when people say a disc is STABLE, they mean OVERSTABLE.

Why don't they say OVERSTABLE??

Sorry for my ignorance, but it seems quite confusing.

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[davei]

Originally Posted by one19

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Dear Dave -

As we are nearing your Mid-May target date I am getting excited.
Is the intention that Star Archon's will be PRESSED in Mid-May or RELEASED then?

Thanks -

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The date of release to dealers. It might have gotten pushed back to the 23rd, but was originally the previous week. Basically, that means the release date to the end user will be end of May.