Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Teerex-di...item33647cdbf4

Yeah. Apparently it has always been in TFR/CFR

[T Wrecks]

Originally Posted by pdiddy71

i also wondered why there wasn't a champion teerex? i know there is the teerex-x, but quite the same thing.

A champion Teerex was made for the 07, or 08 US Masters. They were released when the proto champ destroyers were released. I heard this was the original Teexex mold, not the Teerex-x. They were all blue and had a gold sparkle stamp. I can't recall how many were made, but I think it was something like 120. I have 2. One used, and one mint if anyone is interested. They aren't very glidey. Mark @ discgolfvalues would have more info on the exact runs.

[flynvegas]

Dave,
How many of the Star Wedges were made? Thx

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Dave,
How many of the Star Wedges were made? Thx

About 1200 of the Star stamped Wedges. A bit more that were not stamped.

[zj1002]

Originally Posted by davei

About 1200 of the Star stamped Wedges. A bit more that were not stamped.

Dave,

Will we be seeing any stock run's of star Wedges? I really enjoy the DX but it doesnt hold up on the texas ground

thanks,
Zach J

[davei]

Originally Posted by zj1002

Dave,

Will we be seeing any stock run's of star Wedges? I really enjoy the DX but it doesnt hold up on the texas ground

thanks,
Zach J

Yes, I don't see why not.

[pigz2]

Hey Dave,
Any more of these coming out anytime soon? I remember asking you in 2004 about them, and you said they were made when supply justified, or something to that effect. I was just wondering if that was still the case.
Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by pigz2

Hey Dave,
Any more of these coming out anytime soon? I remember asking you in 2004 about them, and you said they were made when supply justified, or something to that effect. I was just wondering if that was still the case.
Thanks

Still the case. We will probably have a more regular supply by this time next year.

[prospect]

Hey Dave,
I have a question about disc weights. I started weighing my plastic, and I have several discs that are marked 175g, but actually weigh anywhere from 176g to 178g, thus making them over weight for PDGA play. I guess I'm wondering how these discs leave the factory without being X-outs, or at least being marked with the correct weight? It also makes it difficult to purchase a disc online, or even in person at a retailer. I'm now looking at replacing a bunch of discs so that I'm not disqualified in my next tournament. Is there a way to reduce the weight of a disc without breaking any rules?

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by prospect

Hey Dave,
I have a question about disc weights. I started weighing my plastic, and I have several discs that are marked 175g, but actually weigh anywhere from 176g to 178g, thus making them over weight for PDGA play. I guess I'm wondering how these discs leave the factory without being X-outs, or at least being marked with the correct weight? It also makes it difficult to purchase a disc online, or even in person at a retailer. I'm now looking at replacing a bunch of discs so that I'm not disqualified in my next tournament. Is there a way to reduce the weight of a disc without breaking any rules?

Dave answered this before, but I cant find the posts.

I think what he said was the discs absorb moisture after they are produced and shipped off, thus gaining mass.

[prospect]

Well if that is the case, there must be a ton of players out there with "illegal" discs that don't even know it. The Japan Open is the only tourney that I am aware of that actually verifies the discs that players use. Am I expected to look past the fact that I, along with many of my competitors, are using over weight discs? It seems that Innova and the PDGA would make a stronger effort to correct this problem if they expect players to follow technical standards. I feel like the weight tolerance (1.5%) used for Super Class events could be applied to regular tournaments and the problem could be somewhat alleviated. Any ideas Dave?

[davei]

Originally Posted by prospect

Well if that is the case, there must be a ton of players out there with "illegal" discs that don't even know it. The Japan Open is the only tourney that I am aware of that actually verifies the discs that players use. Am I expected to look past the fact that I, along with many of my competitors, are using over weight discs? It seems that Innova and the PDGA would make a stronger effort to correct this problem if they expect players to follow technical standards. I feel like the weight tolerance (1.5%) used for Super Class events could be applied to regular tournaments and the problem could be somewhat alleviated. Any ideas Dave?

Discs do get mis weighed and mis marked. That's going to happen. Discs made of Star and Champion are hygroscopic and can gain 2 or 3gms after molding. Unfortunately, getting that water out by heating will probably warp the disc. I suppose you could leave it in kitty litter or some other dessicant over night. That might do something.

As I have said before, the only fairly certain way of not getting an overweight disc is either to weigh it before purchase, buy it from an on-line guy who will certify the weight for you, or buy a disc a couple of grams off the max. Our dealers can return unused overweight discs for replacement, so they could offer a verification service to their customers. They don't have to sell over weight discs.

[TimMirabal]

I have a 1st run bar stamp puma I was wondering if is it worth anything or should i take it out of the bag and try it out ?

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by TimMirabal

I have a 1st run bar stamp puma I was wondering if is it worth anything or should i take it out of the bag and try it out ?

Save it. Its worth more now in that bag than it would be in your bag.

[zaschenbach1]

Have they changed the 12x firebird mold?

[kwibby1]

Originally Posted by davei

Discs do get mis weighed and mis marked. That's going to happen. Discs made of Star and Champion are hygroscopic and can gain 2 or 3gms after molding. Unfortunately, getting that water out by heating will probably warp the disc. I suppose you could leave it in kitty litter or some other dessicant over night. That might do something.

As I have said before, the only fairly certain way of not getting an overweight disc is either to weigh it before purchase, buy it from an on-line guy who will certify the weight for you, or buy a disc a couple of grams off the max. Our dealers can return unused overweight discs for replacement, so they could offer a verification service to their customers. They don't have to sell over weight discs.

wonder if putting a disc in rice would suck out the moisture? works for wet cell phones...

[gokayaksteven]

hey Dave-=
are the newer r-pro rocs the regular rancho mold or are they the roc+ mold?

thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hey Dave-=
are the newer r-pro rocs the regular rancho mold or are they the roc+ mold?

thanks

I don't recall but you can tell by the engraving. Both Ranchos say Rancho, but the plus mold has the engraving much closer to the rim.

[djb240z]

Hey Dave, I was wondering if we could ever see r-pro destroyer's?

[SEAS49]

Dave, I have many Champion Edition discs that are less then 10 years old that keep developing a dusty looking film. It covers the disc, and when wiped off leaves kind of a greasy appearance to the plastic. One disc is from the 2001 Worlds in the Twin Cities, its a Millennium JLS. It has never been thrown and is designating . the disc are kept in a dark spot, dry and stacked horizontally . What do you think is causing this. Leopards, T-birds, Firebirds and Valkyries are al involved. SEAS

[davei]

Originally Posted by djb240z

Hey Dave, I was wondering if we could ever see r-pro destroyer's?

Definitely, if we can develop a tougher R-Pro material.

[davei]

Originally Posted by SEAS49

Dave, I have many Champion Edition discs that are less then 10 years old that keep developing a dusty looking film. It covers the disc, and when wiped off leaves kind of a greasy appearance to the plastic. One disc is from the 2001 Worlds in the Twin Cities, its a Millennium JLS. It has never been thrown and is designating . the disc are kept in a dark spot, dry and stacked horizontally . What do you think is causing this. Leopards, T-birds, Firebirds and Valkyries are al involved. SEAS

That was one of the marks of the original CE. That is something mixed in the plastic that oozes out over time. Sometimes color does this, and sometimes the plasticizing agent used to make the plastic flexible does this. From your description (greasy), I would guess plasticizer. From our point of view, it is random other than we know there is a limit to which a plastic can hold other ingredients such as weighting agent, plasticizer, color, and mold release agents. The limit varies from plastic to plastic.

[alexjohnson13]

Dave,

Trying to pinpoint this disc and can't figure out what it could be.
TX States 88' stamp
Thanks for any input.

[davei]

Originally Posted by alexjohnson13

Dave,

Trying to pinpoint this disc and can't figure out what it could be.
TX States 88' stamp
Thanks for any input.

Not sure, but if it is a small diameter disc, it would have to be either a Classic Ace or an XD.

[drdisc]

Classic Ace? Not the original?

[flynvegas]

Stamp says 1988, and bottom stamp is Ontario. Wasn't Innova still in San Marino in '88?

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Stamp says 1988, and bottom stamp is Ontario. Wasn't Innova still in San Marino in '88?

We were never "in" San Marino. That was a PO box near Tim's parent's house that we used. We started in Temple City and quickly moved to South El Monte. We move to Ontario in 1987-1988. That was the first place we actually did our own molding.

[flynvegas]

Good stuff, thx for the history.

[jksenior]

Dave,

Any ETA on 2011 Innova catalog?

[davei]

Originally Posted by jksenior

Dave,

Any ETA on 2011 Innova catalog?

It has been sent to the printers, so any day now, I expect.