Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by one19

I have no idea how "weights" are achieved in certain instances. I'm intrigued. "Weighting Agent?" I'm sure the amount varies between Champion, Star, Etc.

So, what weight do discs generally come out at?
Meaning no or hardly any weighting agent.
Do all discs have some amount of "agent"?
Is the agent spread uniformly across the disc's plastic?
Does this "agent" affect the set-up of discs or make them harder of softer?
So many questions.
.

Good questions, but some are too difficult to cover here, such as the first two.
The generic weight of any disc depends mainly on the mass of the mold and the specific gravity of the plastic. Weighting agents, (which are usually metal salts) are added in various degrees to achieve various weights over the generic weight. The weighting agents are mixed in to achieve a relative uniform density. Yes, the weighting agent does affect the set-up of discs and usually makes them harder.

[drdisc]

Time ,Space Thing? IT is still the 25th here

[bravo]

after watching the oceans 13 film i now know what the weighting agents look like in the early stages of plastic dice manufacturing.

[davei]

Originally Posted by bravo

after watching the oceans 13 film i now know what the weighting agents look like in the early stages of plastic dice manufacturing.

Many different types. Tungsten powder has a specific gravity of about 19gm/ccm. It would probably be the heaviest available. Tungsten oxide is about 7.2gm/ccm. For those who don't know; water is the base at 1gm/ccm.

Any disc whose plastic has a specific gravity lower than 1, will float. Unweighted DX and R-Pro will float. Unweighted Pro, Champion, Star, and Echo Star, will not.

[20460chase]

I was wondering when the Vulcan will be released for the rest of Innovas dealers?

[steven2361]

Dave, is it too late to turn in 2010 CFR certificates?

[woote01]

Originally Posted by steven2361

Dave, is it too late to turn in 2010 CFR certificates?

Its never to late as far as i know, I won schawg the year after turning some in. So i think they will roll over to 2011 drawings.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

I was wondering when the Vulcan will be released for the rest of Innovas dealers?

We are shooting for mid January. It depends when the East Office is ready.

[dehaas]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

I have noticed this, I have a few of these myself. There is also the KC pro stamped 11x teebirds as well. In order of stability, from most stable to least it seems to go KC Pro 11x, CAL 11x, and then CA 11x.

i ran across one of these the other day. i tend to prefer the pearly 11x cal teebirds myself, and a buddy of mine said he had a pearly teebird and wanted to get rid of it because it wasn't as stable as his other teebirds. the disc had the regular 11x distance driver stamp, and sure enough it was marked as a TL on the back. comparing it with a teebird in my bag it was definitely a TL. i thought it was strange because up until this point i hadn't seen a 11x stamped TL...i know the CE teebirds and TL's had the same stamp. i also thought it was strange because i haven't run across a pearly TL either. anybody have any idea how common these discs may be?

[the_kid]

Hey Dave,

At the Piney Woods Open a feww weeks ago LSDiscs had some prototypes which had X-Clone looking tops matched with a wing from a Boss or other driver. Lars explained that they were made in an attempt to make 150 class molds more overstable for use at the Japan Open. While that sounds somewhat credible I was wondering if you had anything to say about these discs.

[gokayaksteven]

hey Dave- just finally had to replace my last champ gator. was dissappointed that the only option i thought existed was the beadless star. An order came in yesterday and i was very pleased to see that the star gator i ordered had a bead and appeared to be the x-mold! thanks alot! are all gators now going to be the beaded x-mold? i would think they should be. now if you could just get them to come out flat (mine has a massive, poppy-top dome, but i can fix that) we would have our beloved gator back. thanks again-

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by the_kid

Hey Dave,

At the Piney Woods Open a feww weeks ago LSDiscs had some prototypes which had X-Clone looking tops matched with a wing from a Boss or other driver. Lars explained that they were made in an attempt to make 150 class molds more overstable for use at the Japan Open. While that sounds somewhat credible I was wondering if you had anything to say about these discs.

Well I am not DAve, but the disc is the XB, go up a couple of pages and read all about it.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hey Dave- just finally had to replace my last champ gator. was dissappointed that the only option i thought existed was the beadless star. An order came in yesterday and i was very pleased to see that the star gator i ordered had a bead and appeared to be the x-mold! thanks alot! are all gators now going to be the beaded x-mold? i would think they should be. now if you could just get them to come out flat (mine has a massive, poppy-top dome, but i can fix that) we would have our beloved gator back. thanks again-

I did the beadless X mold as I thought the beaded would be too crazy over stable, but apparently I was wrong. The beaded X will stay. The dome comes and goes with the plastic batches we get from the manufacturers. Right now we are molding relatively flat, however the Gator isn't in right now. Hopefully, we will be in a flat plastic trend when we run them again.

[atreau3]

Originally Posted by dehaas

i ran across one of these the other day. i tend to prefer the pearly 11x cal teebirds myself, and a buddy of mine said he had a pearly teebird and wanted to get rid of it because it wasn't as stable as his other teebirds. the disc had the regular 11x distance driver stamp, and sure enough it was marked as a TL on the back. comparing it with a teebird in my bag it was definitely a TL. i thought it was strange because up until this point i hadn't seen a 11x stamped TL...i know the CE teebirds and TL's had the same stamp. i also thought it was strange because i haven't run across a pearly TL either. anybody have any idea how common these discs may be?

Ive got a few of these...pearly champion tee bird tls from 2003. Most were tournament stamped discs. The see through last run ce tis are from a similar time frame... If it had an 11x stamp on it, it was probably a miss stamped disc. Sweet flying grippy durable champion plastic.

[oklaoutlaw]

Originally Posted by davei

I did the beadless X mold as I thought the beaded would be too crazy over stable, but apparently I was wrong. The beaded X will stay. The dome comes and goes with the plastic batches we get from the manufacturers. Right now we are molding relatively flat, however the Gator isn't in right now. Hopefully, we will be in a flat plastic trend when we run them again.

So can you tell us what are you molding now? There are a few discs that I prefer much more when the flat plastic is used. Star Destroyers and Champion Monarchs top the list and seem to be the hardest for me to get my hands on.

Thanks

[Southpaw527]

Hey Dave is there any chance of different color glow disc's coming out? Maybe orange or red? Thanks.

[davei]

Originally Posted by oklaoutlaw

So can you tell us what are you molding now? There are a few discs that I prefer much more when the flat plastic is used. Star Destroyers and Champion Monarchs top the list and seem to be the hardest for me to get my hands on.

Thanks

We haven't run those two yet. Firebirds, TeeBirds, Starfires are a few that got run fairly flat.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Southpaw527

Hey Dave is there any chance of different color glow disc's coming out? Maybe orange or red? Thanks.

Maybe, but all the other glow colors don't glow as well as green. Blue, orange, and red are comparatively dull.

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

(mine has a massive, poppy-top dome, but i can fix that)

can you tell us how this is done?

[Southpaw527]

Thanks Dave

[Southpaw527]

Ok Dave I have a night shift orc and I love it!

Any chance of another "night shift" mold coming out in the future?

Besides the Boss I was thinking another small rim disc.

Thanks!

[listen2bob]

Originally Posted by Southpaw527

Ok Dave I have a night shift orc and I love it!

Any chance of another "night shift" mold coming out in the future?

Besides the Boss I was thinking another small rim disc.

Thanks!

I would like a case of Nightshift orcs, destroyers (so money for years), and teebirds. If we all band together then they have to make them right? please?

[rickm]

i have a few nightshift orcs if yall are interested. pm me

[futurecollisions]

has anyone noticed different colors of max weight star beasts being more stable than others?

[mf100forever]

Hi Dave,
recieved a R-PRo Tank (..from Sharon/Mark Molnar), my question; it is marked which what looked as "P 1s" or "P Ls" ? Was it a test shot for a new model?

[Southpaw527]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

has anyone noticed different colors of max weight star beasts being more stable than others?

Dark blue with some dome are the most stable

I know a top 25 ranked player in the world that swears by them...

[bravo]

why in the world would someone want an over stable beast.

[Southpaw527]

I said stable Brad, not overstable...

and having a stable beast is nice because it hyzer-flips nicely and has lots of glide.

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Hi Dave,
recieved a R-PRo Tank (..from Sharon/Mark Molnar), my question; it is marked which what looked as "P 1s" or "P Ls" ? Was it a test shot for a new model?

Test shots for possible reintroduction. Don't remember the marking.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Southpaw527

Ok Dave I have a night shift orc and I love it!

Any chance of another "night shift" mold coming out in the future?

Besides the Boss I was thinking another small rim disc.

Thanks!

Yes.