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gokayaksteven · Dec 03 2010, 05:16 PM

hey Dave-
it seems as some pro leos and pro valks (as well as some newer dx rocs) are coming out with a more slanted inner rim. is this intentional or an effect of the latest molding processes? some seem to like it, I personally do not.
just curious-
thanks

davei · Dec 03 2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hey Dave-
it seems as some pro leos and pro valks (as well as some newer dx rocs) are coming out with a more slanted inner rim. is this intentional or an effect of the latest molding processes? some seem to like it, I personally do not.
just curious-
thanks

Not intentional, unless the Roc was a + version. I don't think we ran DX Roc + though. If so, it would say Rancho and be closer to the rim than the regular Rancho engraving.

sprdgr · Dec 04 2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Not intentional, unless the Roc was a + version. I don't think we ran DX Roc + though. If so, it would say Rancho and be closer to the rim than the regular Rancho engraving.

Hero released a DX Roc+ in Japan weights.

http://www.herodiscusa.com/dx-rancho...2010-logo.html

gippy · Dec 04 2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Probably not the KC Pro Whippet that we had before, but regular driver Pro could happen, depending on demand. Keep in mind, most of this stuff is probably a year away from happening.

How about Champion Whippets. The old KCs would beat up to quick and the Whippet became like a slow Firebird. The Champs just stay overstable and don't fly flat unless you gave it some OAT

one19 · Dec 05 2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

It might be, but it won't go farther that a Katana downwind. It's not a glider, just a wind penetrator. Maybe upwind and definitely better control at lower weights.

Would you say it would be capable of replacing my Destroyer for headwind drives?

Also, from an older post about "domey" Destroyers, I find both my Star & Pro models that are domey, to FEED on headwinds, and fly straight and far.

Being I come from a Frisbee background, and just started playing DG, I absolutely HATED the way the Roc felt in my hand. Very foreign.
The Roc Plus however, i LOVE! Thanks!

Finally, Star Katana's have never felt like Star plastic to me. They have the hard slick plastic characteristics of Pro. But the Echo Star Katana's are wonderful. I'm glad to see you finally doing a regular run. Can't wait to fling an Echo Roadrunner as well. Don't forget the BEAST!!

Oh yeah, one more thing. You know me & my Zephyr's.
Can Zeph's be run using "recycled" plastic. Echo Zeph's?

Thanks -

.

mf100forever · Dec 06 2010, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by mf100forever
Have you tried to run Zephyrs and Jaguars in R-Pro?

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Originally Posted by davei

No. Why do you ask?

Just curious! Do you think it would work out?

davei · Dec 06 2010, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

How about Champion Whippets. The old KCs would beat up to quick and the Whippet became like a slow Firebird. The Champs just stay overstable and don't fly flat unless you gave it some OAT

This will happen at some point.

davei · Dec 06 2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by one19

Would you say it would be capable of replacing my Destroyer for headwind drives?

.

This is referenced, I believe, to a Nov 4 post about the XB. That was discontinued, in favor of the Vulcan. The Vulcan is definitely not a headwind driver.

davei · Dec 06 2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mf100forever

Originally Posted by mf100forever
Have you tried to run Zephyrs and Jaguars in R-Pro?

Just curious! Do you think it would work out?

No, the big discs would have too much flex.

oddgeir · Dec 06 2010, 04:59 PM

Any Champ Mako in regular run soon?
And, Would you please make glow ch teebird with standard inside rim-angle?

hankdabank · Dec 06 2010, 05:24 PM

Glow Champ Gators would be very well received. Is there any chance that they could be produced in the future?

I know that there is a huge market for Gators out there. The more stable(and flatter) the better.

gippy · Dec 06 2010, 06:47 PM

Dave or Any one in the know,
I was looking at the Avery Destroyers at my local shop. All of the Heavy 172-175 had a dome like regular Stamp Star Ds and all the Light weights 165-168-9 where all flat and more grippy very different feeling star Plastic.
Why is this? I want a heavy grippier one but they where all light weight.

sprdgr · Dec 07 2010, 12:43 AM

Hey Dave,

What king of flight numbers would you say the XB has and what would you compare it closest to in the current line? More importantly, since the XB itself wasn't what you were ultimately looking for, are you planning on releasing something similar to it that will be PDGA approved in the near future? Or is this what the Vulcan is going to be??

davei · Dec 07 2010, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oddgeir

Any Champ Mako in regular run soon?
And, Would you please make glow ch teebird with standard inside rim-angle?

Yes and Yes.

davei · Dec 07 2010, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankdabank

Glow Champ Gators would be very well received. Is there any chance that they could be produced in the future?

I know that there is a huge market for Gators out there. The more stable(and flatter) the better.

Yes, but no schedule yet for those.

davei · Dec 07 2010, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave or Any one in the know,
I was looking at the Avery Destroyers at my local shop. All of the Heavy 172-175 had a dome like regular Stamp Star Ds and all the Light weights 165-168-9 where all flat and more grippy very different feeling star Plastic.
Why is this? I want a heavy grippier one but they where all light weight.

Could be several reasons, but the most likely would be a change of plastics to get more or less weight. Another reason could be when they were produced. We could have a different batch of the same plastic. Less likely when different weights are involved.

davei · Dec 07 2010, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprdgr

Hey Dave,

What king of flight numbers would you say the XB has and what would you compare it closest to in the current line? More importantly, since the XB itself wasn't what you were ultimately looking for, are you planning on releasing something similar to it that will be PDGA approved in the near future? Or is this what the Vulcan is going to be??

The Vulcan is what the XB turned into. The main problem with the XB was that it had speed without much glide. It worked well for accuracy in lighter weights but really wasn't a good fit for those who wanted lighter weights. They usually want glide too. The only market it would have fit well was Japan Pro Class.

gokayaksteven · Dec 07 2010, 10:57 AM

also looking for flat regular-run champ gators, have been for years it seems. Glow cfr would be nice....

sprdgr · Dec 07 2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

The Vulcan is what the XB turned into. The main problem with the XB was that it had speed without much glide. It worked well for accuracy in lighter weights but really wasn't a good fit for those who wanted lighter weights. They usually want glide too. The only market it would have fit well was Japan Pro Class.

Will the Vulcan have a similar flight plate ridge design to the XB? Could you give your flight rating #'s for both the XB and Vulcan please?

Thanks, Mike

davei · Dec 07 2010, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprdgr

Will the Vulcan have a similar flight plate ridge design to the XB? Could you give your flight rating #'s for both the XB and Vulcan please?

Thanks, Mike

The Vulcan doesn't have the same flight plate feature.

They have similar numbers: both are speed 13, Vulcan has a 5 glide compared to XB at 3. High speed turn for the XB is -2 or -3, the Vulcan is -3 to -4, low speed fade is about 2 for either.

chrispfrisbee · Dec 07 2010, 06:09 PM

You can buy some proto XB's at www.herodiscusa.com Very few produced and they're going fast.

sprdgr · Dec 07 2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

The Vulcan doesn't have the same flight plate feature.

They have similar numbers: both are speed 13, Vulcan has a 5 glide compared to XB at 3. High speed turn for the XB is -2 or -3, the Vulcan is -3 to -4, low speed fade is about 2 for either.

Thanks Dave. Once again, great information.

aarikc17 · Dec 08 2010, 02:26 PM

Hey Dave,

I was wondering if you think there could be a new disc on the horizon that fits between a Teebird and a Banshee. Maybe a Banshee-L or something? Just would like something with a 1.7cm rim thickness and a touch more stable than a Teebird.

gippy · Dec 08 2010, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aarikc17

Hey Dave,

I was wondering if you think there could be a new disc on the horizon that fits between a Teebird and a Banshee. Maybe a Banshee-L or something? Just would like something with a 1.7cm rim thickness and a touch more stable than a Teebird.

Eagle

davei · Dec 09 2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gippy

Eagle

I'm not sure right now, but I think that may have been the Bomb. I believe it might have been a Banshee with an L stripper. However, I am not sure it was more stable than a TeeBird. We don't have any current plans to make this disc, but we might in the future.

aarikc17 · Dec 09 2010, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

I'm not sure right now, but I think that may have been the Bomb. I believe it might have been a Banshee with an L stripper. However, I am not sure it was more stable than a TeeBird. We don't have any current plans to make this disc, but we might in the future.

That would be awesome! A fairway driver for power players that won't flip up, but also not stall out very soon either. Something that would hold a hyzer line for power players all the way to the ground with good glide.

davei · Dec 09 2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aarikc17

That would be awesome! A fairway driver for power players that won't flip up, but also not stall out very soon either. Something that would hold a hyzer line for power players all the way to the ground with good glide.

I believe the Millennium EXP was made in this configuration. The Bomb had the Banshee L configuration, but might have had a slightly smaller rim like the Cheetah size.

dgdave · Dec 09 2010, 02:53 PM

And the EXP in the 1.7 run is CE plastic. They are found pretty easily and cheaply.

20460chase · Dec 10 2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

I believe the Millennium EXP was made in this configuration. The Bomb had the Banshee L configuration, but might have had a slightly smaller rim like the Cheetah size.

Speaking of EXPs, I have some that are blank with a flat wing, not the typical Banshee/EXP are these what your talking about Dave? Were those ever released?

sandalbagger · Dec 10 2010, 12:32 PM

My only question is, why don't you guys use the refractive, oil slick, glitter stamps as much as you guys used to? You used to be able to get all kinds of discs with cool textured hot stamps. Anymore, it just seems like they are all 1-color. Are the other foils that much more expensive, or is the supply dwindling? Just curious because we used to get all kinds of cool stamps when we ordered our discs for events, now everything we get it 1-color. I miss the oil slick stamps, glitter stamps, etc. I had to specifically ask for the refractive stamps on an order I placed this year. Just curious? Guess I'm still stuck in the 90's.

Also....still waiting for some old mold hammers

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oddgeir PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19	Champ Mako Any Champ Mako in regular run soon? And, Would you please make glow ch teebird with standard inside rim-angle?

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hankdabank PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 37	Glow Champ Gators would be very well received. Is there any chance that they could be produced in the future? I know that there is a huge market for Gators out there. The more stable(and flatter) the better. __________________ Team WiDye Team D-CAF Throw INNOVA Last edited by hankdabank; Dec 06 2010 at 05:30 PM.

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sprdgr PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North WI or South AZ Posts: 36	XB Hey Dave, What king of flight numbers would you say the XB has and what would you compare it closest to in the current line? More importantly, since the XB itself wasn't what you were ultimately looking for, are you planning on releasing something similar to it that will be PDGA approved in the near future? Or is this what the Vulcan is going to be?? Last edited by sprdgr; Dec 07 2010 at 12:46 AM. Reason: changed wording

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Dec 03 2010, 05:16 PM	#11941
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	hey Dave- it seems as some pro leos and pro valks (as well as some newer dx rocs) are coming out with a more slanted inner rim. is this intentional or an effect of the latest molding processes? some seem to like it, I personally do not. just curious- thanks

Dec 06 2010, 06:47 PM	#11952
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	Dave or Any one in the know, I was looking at the Avery Destroyers at my local shop. All of the Heavy 172-175 had a dome like regular Stamp Star Ds and all the Light weights 165-168-9 where all flat and more grippy very different feeling star Plastic. Why is this? I want a heavy grippier one but they where all light weight.

Dec 07 2010, 10:57 AM	#11958
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	also looking for flat regular-run champ gators, have been for years it seems. Glow cfr would be nice....

Dec 08 2010, 02:26 PM	#11963
aarikc17 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 11	Hey Dave, I was wondering if you think there could be a new disc on the horizon that fits between a Teebird and a Banshee. Maybe a Banshee-L or something? Just would like something with a 1.7cm rim thickness and a touch more stable than a Teebird.

Dec 09 2010, 02:53 PM	#11968
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	And the EXP in the 1.7 run is CE plastic. They are found pretty easily and cheaply.

Dec 10 2010, 12:32 PM	#11970
sandalbagger PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Moraine State Park Posts: 2,002	My only question is, why don't you guys use the refractive, oil slick, glitter stamps as much as you guys used to? You used to be able to get all kinds of discs with cool textured hot stamps. Anymore, it just seems like they are all 1-color. Are the other foils that much more expensive, or is the supply dwindling? Just curious because we used to get all kinds of cool stamps when we ordered our discs for events, now everything we get it 1-color. I miss the oil slick stamps, glitter stamps, etc. I had to specifically ask for the refractive stamps on an order I placed this year. Just curious? Guess I'm still stuck in the 90's. Also....still waiting for some old mold hammers