Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Dave,

Now that Pigs (and a few other discs) have switched to R-pro plastic, do you think the stability has changed any>?

Thanks

No. Not for me. I throw R-Pro Pigs.

[AWSmith]

dave,

do you know of any CFR classic rocs that have gone out recently?

[davei]

Originally Posted by smyith

dave,

do you know of any CFR classic rocs that have gone out recently?

I don't, but I don't deal directly with CFR. I supply the disc for the program. We are currently running the Classic Roc in DX. If the program needs any
CFR types, I will be able to make them.

[sprdgr]

Hey Dave,

Any update on the new Driver that you were mentioning was due out sometime in Dec.?

Mike

[davei]

Originally Posted by sprdgr

Hey Dave,

Any update on the new Driver that you were mentioning was due out sometime in Dec.?

Mike

Well, the one I was working on got pushed back to January or February.

However, we do have a different one coming out in December. The December driver is a single weight, float in water long range driver called the Wahoo. It weighs about 169 gms in R-Pro, which is the only material it will be made in. Preliminary numbers are 13, 6, -2, +3.

The driver I was talking about before will be a very light weight high speed turning driver. These will be made of Star, Champion, and driver Pro. Preliminary numbers for these: 13, 5, -3, +2. These will be available in weights down to about 158 gms.

Neither of these drivers are meant for pros. They are meant for players with less power who want to get more distance.

[cgkdisc]

Hopefully, we'll be able to buy an officially licensed hot stamped disc with Chief Wahoo on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Wahoo

[sprdgr]

Originally Posted by davei

Well, the one I was working on got pushed back to January or February.

However, we do have a different one coming out in December. The December driver is a single weight, float in water long range driver called the Wahoo. It weighs about 169 gms in R-Pro, which is the only material it will be made in. Preliminary numbers are 13, 6, -2, +3.

The driver I was talking about before will be a very light weight high speed turning driver. These will be made of Star, Champion, and driver Pro. Preliminary numbers for these: 13, 5, -3, +2. These will be available in weights down to about 158 gms.

Neither of these drivers are meant for pros. They are meant for players with less power who want to get more distance.

Thank you - great info.

[sprdgr]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Hopefully, we'll be able to buy an officially licensed hot stamped disc with Chief Wahoo on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Wahoo

we?

[AWSmith]

what are the chances the tank could be brought back? would they be available for CFR/TFR by some miracle?

[cgkdisc]

we?

Gotta be at least one more Tribe fan out there.

[sprdgr]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Gotta be at least one more Tribe fan out there.

Jake Taylor maybe? or Ricky Vaughn?

[davei]

Originally Posted by smyith

what are the chances the tank could be brought back? would they be available for CFR/TFR by some miracle?

That has been discussed. It probably will be back in some program at some time.

[20460chase]

So how is this any different than a Katana? Just the weight?

[AWSmith]

Originally Posted by davei

That has been discussed. It probably will be back in some program at some time.

thats a very Jedi-ish answer. lol

Originally Posted by 20460chase

So how is this any different than a Katana? Just the weight?

judging by one of dave's earlier comments on the goal of these drivers, is that it would be easier to turnover with more control for lower power players than the Katana.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

So how is this any different than a Katana? Just the weight?

Similar to the Katana, but easier to turn over and it comes in much lower weights. This is an out of the box flip roller for power players. We are probably marking it as a -3 because it will be first released in Star. However, in Pro, it is definitely a -4 turn. We will be giving it a good test this weekend so it may very well end up being a -4.

I assume you are asking about the second disc and not the Wahoo.

[davei]

Originally Posted by davei

Right now the only specs are that it is about a 13/14 speed and a 3/4 glide. The high speed is -2/-3 depending on nose angle and the low speed is 0 to +3, again depending on nose angle. Right now they will be offered in low weights predominately from 157gms up to about 164gms. Can't post the name until we get it certified.

Just to clear things up: The disc I was talking about in this quote no longer exists except for the proto shots, it was designated XB.

I was concurrently working on a different driver which has been submitted and is called the Wahoo. Flight numbers are expected to be 12, 6, -2, 2. This is a float in water long range driver in R-Pro and weighing about 169gms.

After finishing the Wahoo, I went back to designing a high speed, low weight driver similar to the Katana, but at lower weights, and with more high speed turn. This disc won't be ready for release until next year.

[Honor Guard]

dave,
has there ever been a rhyno in champ glow plastic? if not, would it be possible for a future cfr candidate?

i've just switched to the rhyno in champ plastic and it has been great for my game.

[widiscgolf]

Hi Dave,

I had new batch of KC Pro Aviars recently for a PDGA event I ran. I noticed on the bottom it doesn't have the words "San Marino, CA. 91108-8368" under Innova Champion Discs, Inc.

I had a customer ask me are these San Marino Mold kc pro aviars?

Please advise and thank you in advanced,

Josh

[davei]

Originally Posted by Honor Guard

dave,
has there ever been a rhyno in champ glow plastic? if not, would it be possible for a future cfr candidate?

i've just switched to the rhyno in champ plastic and it has been great for my game.

Definitely possible if we think it will have sufficient appeal for cfr.

[davei]

Originally Posted by widiscgolf

Hi Dave,

I had new batch of KC Pro Aviars recently for a PDGA event I ran. I noticed on the bottom it doesn't have the words "San Marino, CA. 91108-8368" under Innova Champion Discs, Inc.

I had a customer ask me are these San Marino Mold kc pro aviars?

Please advise and thank you in advanced,

Josh

The last of the two San Marino Aviar molds has had to be repaired. So new engraving went on with the www.innovadiscs.com

Any San Marino Aviar is now a collector item as it no longer will be produced as such.

[dgdave]

The new www KC Aviars are KILLER!!!!! They are so close to 10x's it's rediculous. I've only seen them tourney stamped and 172ish.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by dgdave

The new www KC Aviars are KILLER!!!!! They are so close to 10x's it's rediculous. I've only seen them tourney stamped and 172ish.

Some of them are this way. Some are Domey and real "chunky" I have noticed that the new ones with the 3 Circles on the underside are the 10X replicas. Very Nice

San Marnios are still my favorites they are softer and falt top

[Jeff_LaG]

Dave,

In the 2002/2003 timeframe, CE Classic Rocs were made in a domey mold which is similar to a DX Classic Roc:



Since 2004, CE Classic Rocs and Champion Classic Rocs have made with a blunt edge mold similar to a Ching Roc with a lower parting line, which makes it somewhat more overstable and more importantly, reduces glide:



Imo, the latter disc isn't really a Classic Roc at all...it really flies nothing like a DX Classic Roc with the flight pattern we've all come to know and love. Is there any chance that Champion Classic Rocs will again be made in the old style mold? I absolutely LOVE these discs because they offer all the flight characteristics of the DX version with increased durability - I tend to beat up my DX Classic Rocs relatively quickly.

Thanks.

[mf100forever]

Any news about the R-Pro Coupe? Will you try it?

[flynvegas]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Any news about the R-Pro Coupe? Will you try it?

I'd try it, I like that shallow rim.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Jeff_LaG

Dave,

In the 2002/2003 timeframe, CE Classic Rocs were made in a domey mold which is similar to a DX Classic Roc:



Since 2004, CE Classic Rocs and Champion Classic Rocs have made with a blunt edge mold similar to a Ching Roc with a lower parting line, which makes it somewhat more overstable and more importantly, reduces glide:



Imo, the latter disc isn't really a Classic Roc at all...it really flies nothing like a DX Classic Roc with the flight pattern we've all come to know and love. Is there any chance that Champion Classic Rocs will again be made in the old style mold? I absolutely LOVE these discs because they offer all the flight characteristics of the DX version with increased durability - I tend to beat up my DX Classic Rocs relatively quickly.

Thanks.

We can still make Classic Rocs like a few years ago, but they didn't fly like the originals. That's why we changed. The original was much more stable to start, like the blunt nosed model. The original mold had gotten so soft flying that it resembled an XD, rather than a Classic Roc. The glide is a different matter. It is mostly dependent on how it is molded. If it is molded flatter, it will have less glide. If it is molded domier, it will have more glide. I think what you might want is the newer model in a domier version. Otherwise, you might want an XD. Either way, we will make some of the older type from time to time for people who just want it they way it was. Hopefully, we will have that available about this time next year. We are currently moving things around to make more room.

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Any news about the R-Pro Coupe? Will you try it?

Yes, but no time frame yet.

[flynvegas]

Dave,
Is Ahart's recollection correct on these bald Eagle's? I have one that I bought from Molnar years ago. Any idea on how many exist? Thx
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Dave,
Is Ahart's recollection correct on these bald Eagle's? I have one that I bought from Molnar years ago. Any idea on how many exist? Thx
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Very few ever existed. They are a milky white and are about 130gms and stiff. Probably no engraving. I don't know how Ahart got them if he has them.

[AWSmith]

Dave,
Love the Discmania DD, was wondering if they will ever be released in C-Line? Or if they are available as CFR?