Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 395

gippy · Oct 19 2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Yes. No time frame yet.

Nice.......... How do the Champ ones for the Japan open fly??? ANy one?

dgdave · Oct 19 2010, 09:30 AM

Dave,
Have you ran champ glow Bosses? I ask because I picked up a white/clear stock stamped champ boss and when I got home and tossed it on my bed it glowed very faintly. I figured it was just remnants from a previous mold/shot but it doesn't hurt to ask.

davei · Oct 19 2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dgdave

Dave,
Have you ran champ glow Bosses? I ask because I picked up a white/clear stock stamped champ boss and when I got home and tossed it on my bed it glowed very faintly. I figured it was just remnants from a previous mold/shot but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Probably just a residual material. The Glo is a very fine powder that sometimes gets caught in the machine and released later. We don't have any Champion Glo Bosses listed and we don't remember running any.

Drew32 · Oct 19 2010, 12:10 PM

Have you ever tried glow Star plastic?

dgdave · Oct 19 2010, 12:17 PM

Thanks, Dave!

33009 · Oct 19 2010, 10:47 PM

Hey Dave, just lost my 11 x KC champ/pro Eagle. Replaced it with a new 12 x champion Eagle. They don't seem to fly the same. Is there a difference?

davei · Oct 20 2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 33009

Hey Dave, just lost my 11 x KC champ/pro Eagle. Replaced it with a new 12 x champion Eagle. They don't seem to fly the same. Is there a difference?

Could be a different batch of plastic or an original type Eagle compared with an Eagle X. The Eagle X has a bigger concavity in the beveled edge.

Furthur · Oct 20 2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew32

Have you ever tried glow Star plastic?

Doesn't work. Glow needs to be a translucent material.

veganray · Oct 20 2010, 12:31 PM

Glow opaque DX works.

davei · Oct 20 2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by veganray

Glow opaque DX works.

We have to, and can put a much higher loading of glow in DX to compensate for the opacity. We can't do that with the high tech plastics.

gokayaksteven · Oct 26 2010, 11:29 PM

hay Dave-
what molds are used to make star and champ monsters currently? L or X?
the Max's look to have a L type wing. true?
thanks

warlocks00 · Oct 27 2010, 08:11 AM

While I am not Dave, I do have several monsters on the shelf. In the ones I have recently got in the Champs are X and the Stars are L.

davei · Oct 27 2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hay Dave-
what molds are used to make star and champ monsters currently? L or X?
the Max's look to have a L type wing. true?
thanks

I believe all are an in between XL type now, but depending on how they mold, some look more like X than others.

20460chase · Oct 27 2010, 10:48 AM

Is there a reason the new dyed Champion Firebirds dont carry the KC signature?

Also, Ive noticed some diffference in stability ( and plastic ) between the last year batch and current releases of the Starlight Boss ( 166-168 ). In the past you said Innova had gotten better at using the Starlight , does that include adding less? These dont seem to have anywhere near the bite of the older versions.

Thanks Dave.

Drew32 · Oct 27 2010, 12:22 PM

Another glow question;

So now that you released the Beast in DX glow does that mean more drivers in glow dx such as wraiths and starfires etc in dx glow? (and yes, I know they are available in CFR champ)

Also why don't you guys ever release the Holloweennova stamped discs in standard glow plastic?

warlocks00 · Oct 27 2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

I believe all are an in between XL type now, but depending on how they mold, some look more like X than others.

Good to know there is a 3rd version.

davei · Oct 27 2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Is there a reason the new dyed Champion Firebirds dont carry the KC signature?

Also, Ive noticed some diffference in stability ( and plastic ) between the last year batch and current releases of the Starlight Boss ( 166-168 ). In the past you said Innova had gotten better at using the Starlight , does that include adding less? These dont seem to have anywhere near the bite of the older versions.

Thanks Dave.

Don't know the answer about the KC signature yet. We did get better at using Starlite, but also got better at producing lighter weights without Starlite. The Starlite discs have a little yellowing appearance of white plastic, and most times have some pitting around the edges. It used to be very difficult to get Bosses down below 168 without using Starlite, but now we can get down to around 165gms without Starlite. We haven't used Starlite for about a year now, but may resume in the future. We should be able to go down to 162-163gms. These will be segregated from normal runs of Bosses.

davei · Oct 27 2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew32

Another glow question;

So now that you released the Beast in DX glow does that mean more drivers in glow dx such as wraiths and starfires etc in dx glow? (and yes, I know they are available in CFR champ)

Also why don't you guys ever release the Holloweennova stamped discs in standard glow plastic?

More drivers may be available in glow in the future. It just depends on what the sales guys ask for.

The Holloweennova stamp has been done on orange discs, but I can't think of why we wouldn't want to do some glow with that stamp. Good idea, I think.

veganray · Oct 27 2010, 02:34 PM

I have some "Halloweenova" Aviars in inverse colors (i.e., orange stamp on black disc). I believe they are from 2002 or 2003.

20460chase · Oct 27 2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

Don't know the answer about the KC signature yet. We did get better at using Starlite, but also got better at producing lighter weights without Starlite. The Starlite discs have a little yellowing appearance of white plastic, and most times have some pitting around the edges. It used to be very difficult to get Bosses down below 168 without using Starlite, but now we can get down to around 165gms without Starlite. We haven't used Starlite for about a year now, but may resume in the future. We should be able to go down to 162-163gms. These will be segregated from normal runs of Bosses.

So it would be safe to assume, the originals wont be duplicated in terms of stability?

I just bought out almost all the blank versions of the original Starlights from the East, so it isnt an issue for me. People have gotten used to them now, like me, and I think they are the best Bosses made. Thanks!

davei · Oct 27 2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

So it would be safe to assume, the originals wont be duplicated in terms of stability?

Is!

I believe so, unless and until we make another run of Starlites.

AWSmith · Oct 29 2010, 05:10 PM

dave,

i have a question about the gremlin. what mold is the discmania gremlin? my buddy has both star and pro line gremlins that are definitely very different, especially on the rim. but the discmania gremlin doesn't feel or like very much like either of them. i liked the pro line mold but the star mold isn't as favorable. thanks in advance

MischiefMKR · Oct 31 2010, 08:56 PM

Dave any new disc coming out end of this year or beginning of next year thanks

davei · Nov 01 2010, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

dave,

i have a question about the gremlin. what mold is the discmania gremlin? my buddy has both star and pro line gremlins that are definitely very different, especially on the rim. but the discmania gremlin doesn't feel or like very much like either of them. i liked the pro line mold but the star mold isn't as favorable. thanks in advance

The Gremlin is basically the old Sniper. It has been made in different materials and at least two versions. There is a third possibility of a beadless version too. I believe we are using the beaded version with extra stability for the Discmania Gremlin. I will have to check stock.

davei · Nov 01 2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MischiefMKR

Dave any new disc coming out end of this year or beginning of next year thanks

We have a 13/14 speed driver coming out December. It will be in Pro plastic at first. It hasn't been submitted for approval yet.

davei · Nov 01 2010, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

The Gremlin is basically the old Sniper. It has been made in different materials and at least two versions. There is a third possibility of a beadless version too. I believe we are using the beaded version with extra stability for the Discmania Gremlin. I will have to check stock.

I checked and it is so. We are using the beaded extra stable version.

MischiefMKR · Nov 01 2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

We have a 13/14 speed driver coming out December. It will be in Pro plastic at first. It hasn't been submitted for approval yet.

Cool can u give us specs or the name

TOURNEYPLAYER · Nov 01 2010, 11:18 AM

I found a disc that i have not seen before. it is Star plastic but has no stamp on it. it is shaped like a midrange but kind of understable. the ink underneath says *V. what is this??

20460chase · Nov 01 2010, 11:36 AM

Probably a misprint.

So Dave, are those Gremlins the same as the CFR Champion Gremlins? Think that we will ever see a Gremlin that compares to the Pro Line? None released have compared, in all honesty. Maybe its the plastic, but the older Pro Lines were flatter, the CFR and DiscMania versions all are domey. They are also a guessing game. I bought 2 of the CFRs one flipped the other flew like a Gator.

The Beadless versions were in Star from about 3 years ago.

veganray · Nov 01 2010, 11:49 AM

DM GMs are, unfortunately, very similar to CFR Gremlins in their massive dominess. Beadless Gremlins were run in April '06 in STAR, DX, and Champion (the latter two materials being extremely limited, with the only examples I possess bearing either the US Masters '06 or SoCal Championships '06 stamp) and are pretty darned flat on top, similar to their beaded siblings, Pro Line and old DX Gremlins.

Oct 27 2010, 08:11 AM	#11832
warlocks00 PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Angelo, Tx. Posts: 1,020	While I am not Dave, I do have several monsters on the shelf. In the ones I have recently got in the Champs are X and the Stars are L. __________________ PDGA# 34538 Warlock Disc Golf www.conchovalleydiscgolf.org

Oct 27 2010, 10:48 AM	#11834
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Is there a reason the new dyed Champion Firebirds dont carry the KC signature? Also, Ive noticed some diffference in stability ( and plastic ) between the last year batch and current releases of the Starlight Boss ( 166-168 ). In the past you said Innova had gotten better at using the Starlight , does that include adding less? These dont seem to have anywhere near the bite of the older versions. Thanks Dave. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Nov 01 2010, 11:18 AM	#11848
TOURNEYPLAYER PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 53	Disc identification I found a disc that i have not seen before. it is Star plastic but has no stamp on it. it is shaped like a midrange but kind of understable. the ink underneath says *V. what is this??

Nov 01 2010, 11:36 AM	#11849
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Probably a misprint. So Dave, are those Gremlins the same as the CFR Champion Gremlins? Think that we will ever see a Gremlin that compares to the Pro Line? None released have compared, in all honesty. Maybe its the plastic, but the older Pro Lines were flatter, the CFR and DiscMania versions all are domey. They are also a guessing game. I bought 2 of the CFRs one flipped the other flew like a Gator. The Beadless versions were in Star from about 3 years ago. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

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Oct 19 2010, 09:30 AM	#11822
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Dave, Have you ran champ glow Bosses? I ask because I picked up a white/clear stock stamped champ boss and when I got home and tossed it on my bed it glowed very faintly. I figured it was just remnants from a previous mold/shot but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Oct 19 2010, 12:10 PM	#11824
Drew32 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 397	Have you ever tried glow Star plastic?

Oct 19 2010, 12:17 PM	#11825
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Thanks, Dave!

Oct 19 2010, 10:47 PM	#11826
33009 PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boise Idaho Posts: 57	Hey Dave, just lost my 11 x KC champ/pro Eagle. Replaced it with a new 12 x champion Eagle. They don't seem to fly the same. Is there a difference?

Oct 20 2010, 12:31 PM	#11829
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Glow opaque DX works.

Oct 26 2010, 11:29 PM	#11831
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	hay Dave- what molds are used to make star and champ monsters currently? L or X? the Max's look to have a L type wing. true? thanks

Oct 27 2010, 12:22 PM	#11835
Drew32 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 397	Another glow question; So now that you released the Beast in DX glow does that mean more drivers in glow dx such as wraiths and starfires etc in dx glow? (and yes, I know they are available in CFR champ) Also why don't you guys ever release the Holloweennova stamped discs in standard glow plastic?

Oct 27 2010, 02:34 PM	#11839
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	I have some "Halloweenova" Aviars in inverse colors (i.e., orange stamp on black disc). I believe they are from 2002 or 2003.

Oct 29 2010, 05:10 PM	#11842
AWSmith PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 338	dave, i have a question about the gremlin. what mold is the discmania gremlin? my buddy has both star and pro line gremlins that are definitely very different, especially on the rim. but the discmania gremlin doesn't feel or like very much like either of them. i liked the pro line mold but the star mold isn't as favorable. thanks in advance

Oct 31 2010, 08:56 PM	#11843
MischiefMKR Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 15	Dave any new disc coming out end of this year or beginning of next year thanks

Nov 01 2010, 11:49 AM	#11850
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	DM GMs are, unfortunately, very similar to CFR Gremlins in their massive dominess. Beadless Gremlins were run in April '06 in STAR, DX, and Champion (the latter two materials being extremely limited, with the only examples I possess bearing either the US Masters '06 or SoCal Championships '06 stamp) and are pretty darned flat on top, similar to their beaded siblings, Pro Line and old DX Gremlins.