Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[hueyman2]

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

[veganray]

If there were a financially-viable market for a hi-tech plastic Wolf, Innova would make a hi-tech plastic Wolf.

Innova does not make a hi-tech plastic Wolf.

∴ You figger it out.

[hueyman2]

I would like Dave to answer it is the topic of this thread.

There are a lot of discs that are CFR that would sell well if released normally but there is a reason they are CFR. The Star Destroyer was out for how long before we saw a champ non CFR version? There are other reasons, Im sure, than just demand for discs to be held up in production of alternate plastics including inventory space, mold storage, plastic shortages, mold technology issues, scrap rates. It could also be a capacity issue.

[veganray]

Originally Posted by hueyman2

There are a lot of discs that are CFR that would sell well if released normally but there is a reason they are CFR. The Star Destroyer was out for how long before we saw a champ non CFR version? There are other reasons, Im sure, than just demand for discs to be held up in production of alternate plastics including inventory space, mold storage, plastic shortages, mold technology issues, scrap rates. It could also be a capacity issue.

I thought you wanted Dave to answer. I must've read wrong.

[LastBoyScout]

Dave,

Why is Jonathan Poole going to sell all the extra rocs he has to the public at the same price as what the USDGC partners got them for?

Was that not the point of paying an extra $100 to get one of the coveted Partner spots? To have access to Rocs that the regular joe cant buy, except through them (the sponsor)?

Would it not have been easier to offer all the partners a chance to buy them up first since they were limited at 10 Rocs a piece?

All i see this doing is shooting the Partners in the foot since they became a sponsor to support the USDGC, and make money off the Rocs as an added bonus.

I am not a USDGC Partner, but a very surprised Roc collector who expected to pay more than Sponsor price per roc this year.

[flynvegas]

It's my understanding the Partners could order 10 more yesterday. The remaining Roc's were going to be made available to the 16 people on the Partner waiting list. They shouldn't reach the public.

[davei]

Originally Posted by hueyman2

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

We tried the Wolf in Star and Champion. It didn't have a good turn or good glide. Also, the ones we made didn't sell well, so we stopped making them.

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by hueyman2

So many players get their start with the 3 disc pack or from random discs at D1ck's sporting goods and other stores like that. Has there been any discussion for a Star/Champ Wolf? Kites and Stingrays aren't that disc. I would love to make an all Innova bag but I'm impatient and don't feel like beating in Rocs or flat Coyotes to make a Meteor. The Meteor is so popular. I feel like a Star wolf could be a Meteor'esque with a little less glide. Also, it would be a logical step up for the beginning player to get the disc he/she started with in a better plastic.

Innova makes the Millenium Aurora MS (pro plastic), the Sirius MS (star plastic) or the QMS (champion plastic). the clear QMS's are more overstable than i like but the old opaque QMS and the new Sirius MS (aka: SMS) work for me much better than a Z Buzzz. the MS also pre-dates the Buzzz by quite a bit.
i think Dave has said the he is surprised how under-appreciated the MS is and that it is one of the best discs he has ever designed.

that said, i have never thrown a Wolf...

[hueyman2]

Originally Posted by davei

We tried the Wolf in Star and Champion. It didn't have a good turn or good glide. Also, the ones we made didn't sell well, so we stopped making them.

Thanks for trying! Bergey told me you wouldn't even do that :-P LIAR!

[discette]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave,
Was that not the point of paying an extra $100 to get one of the coveted Partner spots? To have access to Rocs that the regular joe cant buy, except through them (the sponsor)?

Partners pay for the privilege of being the FIRST to purchase, not exclusive rights to purchase. Allowing others to get in on the sales should actually help partners "..make money off Rocs as an added bonus."

Here is link to a news release on USDGC site explaining the goals for this year's release.

http://zonedriven.com/03/30/33010-usdgc-rocs


Excerpt:

...One thing we have lost over the years however, is the frenzy that came years ago during the online release. Before the USDGC Partner program, ALL USDGC Rocs were released online in a first come, first served fashion. This created a unique buying frenzy that while at times frustrating (on both sides) generated a nirvana that made the program even more successful. We simply must regain some of that energy with the next release.

....That said, we are considering an online release of some kind at DGU. This will enable the entire disc golf community to get involved once again, which should in return, create an energy that has been sorely missing for the last few years. In the end, that lack of participation seems to have eliminated the hype that in turn helped to fuel collectability.

[poisonelf]

Will the Teebird+ be ran in pro plastic?

[davei]

Originally Posted by poisonelf

Will the Teebird+ be ran in pro plastic?

It was mainly made for Champion. We haven't thought about running them in Pro. Why do you ask?

[gippy]

Dave any chance you will do Star XDs again. So many people ask me where do you get those. I tell em Ebay if your lucky. They are tough to find there as well. Such a great disc and alot of people love them Bring them back Please

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave any chance you will do Star XDs again. So many people ask me where do you get those. I tell em Ebay if your lucky. They are tough to find there as well. Such a great disc and alot of people love them Bring them back Please

We will run Star XDs in small quantities from time to time. Hopefully, we will have set up a site by next year, where we will house and sell the non mainstream discs that enthusiasts want.

[poisonelf]

Originally Posted by davei

It was mainly made for Champion. We haven't thought about running them in Pro. Why do you ask?

Honestly I have always like mid grade plastic teebird (old KC, non-champion platic) and they are becoming more and more scarce. I throw Champion teebird+'s and I like the grip and I'd like to get back to just carrying one mold for my fairway drivers. Currently I'm carrying a TB+, Ch TB, Ch EL, CE EL and 2 CE TL's. Not To mention I have greater sucess with any anhyzers and flat shots with a beat in disc that was over stable at one point in time.

[davei]

Originally Posted by poisonelf

Honestly I have always like mid grade plastic teebird (old KC, non-champion platic) and they are becoming more and more scarce. I throw Champion teebird+'s and I like the grip and I'd like to get back to just carrying one mold for my fairway drivers. Currently I'm carrying a TB+, Ch TB, Ch EL, CE EL and 2 CE TL's. Not To mention I have greater sucess with any anhyzers and flat shots with a beat in disc that was over stable at one point in time.

So, you are talking about KC Pro Roc type plastic rather than driver Pro?

[gippy]

Originally Posted by davei

We will run Star XDs in small quantities from time to time. Hopefully, we will have set up a site by next year, where we will house and sell the non mainstream discs that enthusiasts want.

Sweet keep us posted... and let us know when you do run Star XDs please so I can order more. I have one good one left. I left one in the back window of my car and it warpped so bad it has indented star pattern in it. Now its unpredicticable. Sometimes it flips others it dosent. It has become a back yard putter

[poisonelf]

Originally Posted by davei

So, you are talking about KC Pro Roc type plastic rather than driver Pro?

Well I guess you could say that since old Pro teebirds did have KC on them, but even when the regular pro teebirds came out I used them once I ran out of the old KC ones. I'm just saying I'd like to see some teebird+'s in the same plastic as the current driver proline.

[gokayaksteven]

Hi Dave-
how close are you guys to making stock flat champ gators?

thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hi Dave-
how close are you guys to making stock flat champ gators?

thanks

We are not scheduled to run Ch Gators at this time. I don't know if they would run flat next time or not, but nothing else is at this point.

[tkurnat]

Hi Dave,

I'm curious about the flashing on discs. I just recently won an auction on Ebay for an '06 USDGC SB Roc. When I received the disc, I noticed that the disc was not smooth along the edges. It had clearly looked like someone had cut the flashing off by hand and did a pretty poor job of it.

My question is do you cut the flashing off during the disc making process? If you do, do you do it by hand or trim it by machine?

I know it sounds like a silly question and perhaps even obvious.

Thanks,

Todd

[taadow13]

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[veganray]

Originally Posted by taadow13

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Pretty sweet picture of the Hotmail login screen. Thanx for sharing!

[davei]

Originally Posted by tkurnat

Hi Dave,

I'm curious about the flashing on discs. I just recently won an auction on Ebay for an '06 USDGC SB Roc. When I received the disc, I noticed that the disc was not smooth along the edges. It had clearly looked like someone had cut the flashing off by hand and did a pretty poor job of it.

My question is do you cut the flashing off during the disc making process? If you do, do you do it by hand or trim it by machine?

I know it sounds like a silly question and perhaps even obvious.

Thanks,

Todd

Not a silly question at all. The flashing is taken off by hand for Champion, Pro, and Star. Usually, the workers do a pretty good job, but trimming errors do occur and are sometimes a cause for a disc to be an X-Part. We have tried to find a way to automate it, but so far, no go.

[junky]

Dave,

Has a Champ Glow Mako been made? If not, will it?
Thanks,

[20460chase]

Seriously? I dont think a trimming machine would be that hard to make. On my budget maybe, but I doubt on yours.

If you said it was easier or more efficient to do it by hand, that I can see.


I did hear a rumor once Discraft offered to sell thier device? If they do them by hand, Id not only be suprised, but impressed at thier quality control.

[davei]

Originally Posted by junky

Dave,

Has a Champ Glow Mako been made? If not, will it?
Thanks,

Champion Glow Makos will be made at some point. Right now the closest is
a Champion Glow Coyote, which is a little more stable.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Seriously? I dont think a trimming machine would be that hard to make. On my budget maybe, but I doubt on yours.

If you said it was easier or more efficient to do it by hand, that I can see.


I did hear a rumor once Discraft offered to sell thier device? If they do them by hand, Id not only be suprised, but impressed at thier quality control.

We actually contracted out to three different places to make one, but they all came up empty. Meanwhile several of our molders got good at trimming by hand. The problem with that is not everyone is good at it, so the trimming suffers at times. I would love to have an automatic trimmer at each of our machines, but don't know how to get one.

[tkurnat]

Originally Posted by davei

Not a silly question at all. The flashing is taken off by hand for Champion, Pro, and Star. Usually, the workers do a pretty good job, but trimming errors do occur and are sometimes a cause for a disc to be an X-Part. We have tried to find a way to automate it, but so far, no go.

Wow, that's impressive, actually. In addition hard to believe this process isn't automated. Thanks for the answer.

[Fossil]

I've tried 3 browsers and can't PM you. I have about 10 CFR Starfire L from a tournament I ran a few years ago.
Maybe if you can PM me or email me here.
Anyone else have trouble? When I click on a name to the left I never get new window or any info on the poster like I used to.
Tried Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome browsers.

Originally Posted by DouglasDetroit

any chance your going to make a run of champ starfire-L again, I have lost my CFR starefire-L and the star SL just doesn't seem to be the same disc,