Where are we playin today ?

[twoputtok]

How about helping the pros and change the entry from $5 to $10?

[slim___15288]

This thread is so entertaining.

and I havent asked for any handouts.......yet.

of course, i've only run two minis so far. so my stat is kinda skewed.

[twoputtok]

Jost so that all of you know...................

this person


and this person are related and think the same way.

[twoputtok]

Originally Posted by slim___15288

so my stat is kinda skewed.

No, your stats are screwed. No TD should be allowed to mark a CTP, then throw it and make it and collect it. BOGUS!

On top of that you were the only one that got to throw in the day light.

Come on Slim don't cheapen this down to Chandler standards.

[sschumacher]

Well just so all you non-TDSA members out there know, starting in September the TDSA will run an payout experiment at their minis for one month based on a Dave Wise suggestion.

Should you cash you will get 20% percent less than a current TDSA member. This includes non-member women and juniors.

Welcome to Dave Wise's Disc Golf America. Who's your Obama now?

If you're a non-TDSA member he wants you to be a member even though he not willing to throw in contributions from his cow pasture himself. I asked him if he is going to follow this policy at his course and got no-comment.

Personally I would prefer all of you to become TDSA members as well but would hope that you join because you want to be a part of the club and make a difference and not because you're getting screwed out of 20%.

I can only imagine that Mr. Wise's next suggestion will be that we charge you non-members $2 for the hot dogs at the TDSA picnic as well.

[slim___15288]

Originally Posted by twoputtok

No, your stats are screwed. No TD should be allowed to mark a CTP, then throw it and make it and collect it. BOGUS!

On top of that you were the only one that got to throw in the day light.

Come on Slim don't cheapen this down to Chandler standards.

thats just comical.

i even apologized for making the first shot.

i won't lie though. when it went in, i had recollections of furdog adding money to a casino hole, only to have YOU go up right afterwards and ring the chains. only mine stayed in.

[Chris Hatton]

yeah, screw slim and his night ctp's, cost me my putter. i want a refund.

[slim___15288]

had you thrown it in the basket like you were supposed to, and followed the example i set, you wouldnt have lost your putter, now would you?

remember the rental car lady from "planes, trains, and automobiles"??



i believe her line to steve martin was... "you're f***ed"

[Big Easy]

I have averaged around 20 players a mini for the last month in Bartlesville.

I was curious how much larger the potential player pool of Tulsa versus B'ville.
Tulsa 591,982 versus Bville 34,747. Of course this does not count any surrounding cities.

Tulsa alone has more than 17 times more people than Bville.
So where I have 20 players per mini.
Tulsa to equal the same per/capita percentage would need to have....
340 players per mini.

You guys have it good but there is still alot of potential there....

[Martin_Norris]

Hey, there are finishes that can be applied to existing concrete that have a rougher non slip texture they can be found at several stores and have a sand grit embedded in them that should make the tee pads non or less slip in wet weather they were designed for home owner applications to remedy slick concrete steps and decks. probably not cheep but an application in the final third to quarter of the pad may fix the issue and be cheaper than a re pour.

[pdorries]

Originally Posted by Big Easy

I have averaged around 20 players a mini for the last month in Bartlesville.

I was curious how much larger the potential player pool of Tulsa versus B'ville.
Tulsa 591,982 versus Bville 34,747. Of course this does not count any surrounding cities.

Tulsa alone has more than 17 times more people than Bville.
So where I have 20 players per mini.
Tulsa to equal the same per/capita percentage would need to have....
340 players per mini.

You guys have it good but there is still alot of potential there....

except tulsa has other things to do other than disc golf. what else are people going to do in bartlesville? inbreed?

[mtreat]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

Well just so all you non-TDSA members out there know, starting in September the TDSA will run an payout experiment at their minis for one month based on a Dave Wise suggestion.

Should you cash you will get 20% percent less than a current TDSA member. This includes non-member women and juniors.

Welcome to Dave Wise's Disc Golf America. Who's your Obama now?

If you're a non-TDSA member he wants you to be a member even though he not willing to throw in contributions from his cow pasture himself. I asked him if he is going to follow this policy at his course and got no-comment.

Personally I would prefer all of you to become TDSA members as well but would hope that you join because you want to be a part of the club and make a difference and not because you're getting screwed out of 20%.

I can only imagine that Mr. Wise's next suggestion will be that we charge you non-members $2 for the hot dogs at the TDSA picnic as well.

Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.

Deducting 20% will mean this, if there are ten people in your division and you win 1st place, a TDSA member would receive $19.00. A non-member would receive $15.00. The $4.00 from the non-member will go to course maintenance and or course additions.

We pay out 3 spots, so if you win 3rd as a non member, you will receive $7.00 instead of $8.00. Only cost you $1.00 to play a TDSA mini as a winning non-member

So, that player has paid $4.00 towards the cause of maintaining and upgrading our courses. The member, has already paid $20.00 towards the same thing. And, the member received a Pro Boss, TDSA Tag, mini and has all the priveliges of voting, running for office etc.

This isn't a screw job to non-members. It is a way to reward membership and get non-members, who play just as much or more as members, to contribute towards the courses they use on an ongoing basis.

We are trying this for one month, the last real month of minis. Over the winter we will take your comments, results etc into account and make what we feel is the best decision for all disc golfers in our area.

By the way, think about it, this is actually costing the TD's as well since they will not be paying out the $4.00 in plastic in my example.

Be patient. We are testing this and we are open to any ideas as to how to make our club and this scene better.

[Big Easy]

Things to do in Bartlesville ???
Well to name a few....

Leagues and Tournies for the following:
Baseball, Softball, Ball Golf, Tennis.
College Basketball and Baseball and Soccer.
All Bartlesville Bruin Sports.
Soccer duplex for the kids.
Running/biking paths all thru town.
There is a shooting club/range in town.

Cool sites to see:
Woolaroc, The Frank Phillips Mansion, The Phillips Museum,
The Frank Lloyd Wright tower downtown.

Things close by:
Wild Mustang Preserve.
Tall Grass Prarie preserve
Osage Hills Park
Sutton Aviary

Events thru out the year:
Sunfest, Kidsfest, OK Mozart Festival, Indian Summer Festival.

No we don't have alot of bars like Tulsa :P

But we do have disc golf at Sooner Park
Soon to be a complete 18 holes again.
The flood water project is on track to be finished in August.

Maybe we can get a Saturday on the Tulsa Schedule to preview the newly finished 18.
D.P.

[Big Easy]

My post was aimed at Paul D :P

[Big Easy]

Originally Posted by twoputtok

How about helping the pros and change the entry from $5 to $10?

I will take a survey and see what the response is.
I already know what your vote is :P

[twoputtok]

Good point Dale. You're WAY ahead of Tulsa.

[twoputtok]

Originally Posted by pdorries

inbreed?

hey don't knock it, it got you put on this earth.

[twoputtok]

FurDog is right, I am the one that made this proposal to the club.

Reasons:

To increase the value of membership
To provide an incentive for non-members to join.
To create a funding mechanisim for course improvements, so that Tulsa can host another major event.
To not charge all non-members for attending an event, this will only affect those non-members who cashed. No increse in entries.

But the biggest factor for me was that over 90% of payouts at EVERY mini are paid to non-members.

With this proposal, it makes membership a true value.

for $20 you get all the swag Michael mentioned, which is worth the entire $20 and you will get paid more than non-members, should you cash at an event.
And voting rights and a free hotdog.

I thought it was a fair proposal that answered several problems that the club was facing. They looked it over and decided on the 30 day trial.

If other members or non-members have other ideas that could address the problems of membership and course funding, then please, present them to the Admins.

If you're an admin that chooses not to show up for meetings or vote, then shut the he11 up.

[twoputtok]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBj5dyzsJkY&NR=1

[sschumacher]

[QUOTE=mtreat;1434676]Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.QUOTE]

Maybe but I'm against pushing this on women and juniors. That and it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.

[pdorries]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.

when was the last time you had to do a payout anyways?

[sschumacher]

Originally Posted by twoputtok

But the biggest factor for me was that over 90% of payouts at EVERY mini are paid to non-members.

Yeah and probably 90% of the players attending those minis are non-members as well. If a non-member has paid his dollar at 20 minis then he has already paid the price of membership but just doesn't hold the swag. Based upon the amount of non-members that currently support the events vs the current members wouldn't you agree that non-members currently support this club 3 or 4to1 over members?

[twoputtok]

[QUOTE=sschumacher;1434692]

Originally Posted by mtreat

Just so you all know, Furdog would have voted for this had he attended the meeting.QUOTE]

Maybe but I'm against pushing this on women and juniors. That and it just slows down payout if I have to go through a list to decide whos a current member and who is not.

Whats being pushed on them?
Will they pay more to play than they do now?

They're non-members, we can't push anything on them. They choose to play by choice.

So you can't take 30 seconds to see if a winner is a non-mem?

It only took me about 40 minutes to calculate how much was being lost and I had to go back over and do 14 minis all divisions. So it will take a TD about a minute to figure who is a mem and who is a non-mem.

So basicaly you are saying you don't have one extra minute of your time at a mini to give to help the club raise money?

From that I'd be surprised you wipe your *** each time. That sure has to take more than a minute.

[twoputtok]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

Based upon the amount of non-members that currently support the events vs the current members wouldn't you agree that non-members currently support this club 3 or 4to1 over members?

Thats probably about right, if you're talking about attendance.
So ask yourself, why are they not members?

All those dollars you are saying they contribute, they are taking right back out in payout. Dollar in, dollar out leaves the club with how much?

When you mention support, I think of paying members that help the club with its events and activities. Your idea of support is, paying an entry.

[sschumacher]

Originally Posted by twoputtok

When you mention support, I think of paying members that help the club with its events and activities. Your idea of support is, paying an entry.

So you're saying that Coda paying his $20 for membership is going to entice him to show up on a work day or help you run a tournament?

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.

[Chris Hatton]

Im not opposed to this idea, though i believe their are better ways to make money for the club and increase membership. However it seems rather foolish to me to inform the golf population that this is a 30 day deal. As now they assume in 30 days they will place a few times, losing 3-5 bucks while simply waiting out the 30 days of little increased membership so it goes away. This trail would have likely had great increases in membership until you told all the non members it will go away soon because they are all just losing little to nothing for a few weeks then they can go back to the old way.

[twoputtok]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.

You're asking the wrong person, according to you, I'm no Td. That's a question for your fellow administrators.

[pdorries]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.

[Chris Hatton]

Originally Posted by sschumacher

So you're saying that Coda paying his $20 for membership is going to entice him to show up on a work day or help you run a tournament?

Why isn't the TDSA membership for Pros more expensive like the PDGA? Those guys get a cash payout on the CTP while Ams just get plastic at retail. I don't see any difference why an Am shouldn't get cash for a CTP other than it's just another way of lining the TD's pocket.

Because at the point you are "winning" real money in events your not really an am..

Sports. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

[Chris Hatton]

Originally Posted by pdorries

whether you realize it or not, the professional growth of the sport is a necessity for large scale amateur growth in the long run. you are only hurting the eventual growth of the sport with your narrow minded Am only mindset.

I couldnt agree more, how many rich fags went out and bought golf clubs because tiger woods became a celeb...