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Old Jul 06 2010, 12:29 PM   #2971
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How much money from your "sanctioned event" gets kicked back into your course and since when have any of your "sanctioned" events ever kicked back more cash into your course than one at Chandler and all the "non-members" attending.

Since when have you or your course ever done anything out there without having to ask for monetary support from the club?

As for my event and Centennial....... I broke even for the event. But I have donated several hundred dollars to the course. The sod wasn't free, neither were the first tee pads markers. The extra dirt wasn't free. All of the concrete on the baskets wasn't free. All of these expenses and others came from my pocket. Could I have asked club for help? Maybe, but Ithought, how nice would it be to have a course that the club did not contribut one dime towards. Since they can't get the city of Tulsa to contribute one dime or get credit for the 100K we have put into the Tulsa courses. They won't even replace a stolen basket.

Can you say that? You can't even say the members from your event paid for anything. All of their money goes to the Parks Friends slush fund. The concrete was paid by the club. Just what has Park Friends given back to the course or the club?
And don't say its the county workers putting in the baskets either, they get a pay check for that. I can gaurantee Park Friends didn't pay for that.

Also, in trade, my course has provided new golfers for all of the other minis around town. They pay their fees, the club gets the money.

You can biatch all you want but the only thing not being a member prohibits me from doing is voting ot getting 2 free hot dogs a year. If you want to campaign for Centennial being removed from the schedule of events or advertisements, go for it. I'll just stop telling them about all the Tulsa events they should be playing and that ChandlerStock is nothing more than a cash cow for the TD and the Park Friends.

At any given mini, you can't tell me who is a current member and who isn't.

If all the current members are lifers, then what are they doing for the club?

You lose over $50 a year to me, just take the rest of your losses for this year and buy me a membership.

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Old Jul 06 2010, 12:32 PM   #2972
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To me this is not so much about "Lifers" or getting new membership because membership is not a big draw of cash into the club. Most of the current members now are actually "Lifers" anyway.
You're my biggest advocate with that statement.

How many dollars are being lost from Non-members at each and every TDSA event? Over the year, I'd bet it to be at least an 80% increase over current mini income. At least until they figure it out and become a member.

Plain and simple................what advantage does a member have over a non-member?

Plain and simple again......nothing.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 01:55 PM   #2973
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TONIGHT'S TDSA mini at Tulsa finest "playable" course will be hosted by the course TD Joel Deering!! 6 o'clock tee time, let's go out and support our club and help get Joel back in the swing of things!!

Before you say anything Furdog...I wasn't fired! I was requested to take a permanant leave of absence!!! See you all at the park
Results??? :-p can joyle even post? Is he current??
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:01 PM   #2974
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I only bring this up because I see a way to increase income and membership at the same time. I'll even be the first to kick in my extra dollar at the next mini and every mini their after. This is the reason I never became a life time member. I felt that by paying yearly dues I give more to the club over time.

If I thought it would hurt the club I wouldn't even consider it. The only way we get new members now is from a few new players that have become very active in the sport. Other than that it takes an ace to get a new member and he/she will be a one timer, unless they hit another ace. To tell you the truth, I didn't know I wasn't current until you mentioned it the other day. That's the problem with a 2 year membership vs. an annual renewal. People forget. But since you did mention it, it got me to thinking again.....why? Sure it supports the club but how do we get more of these players at the minis to be really involved? The club provides them courses to play, (if not for the club and past members there may only still be 2 courses in town), they provide scheduled events almost 7 days a week, numerous sanctioned and non-sanctioned events, clinics, donate to local charities......and the list goes on.

With all the club actually does provide, it should continue to provide the benefits to members but a minimal fee of $1 to non-members, which is MORE than fair and will allow the club to do even more. Its a win win. Or you could create a member vs. non-member payout. Reduce the non-members payout by 20%. If they ask why they got less than the next guy, just tell them he is a club member. That its one of the perks of membership. Would you like a form?
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:04 PM   #2975
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Results??? :-p can joyle even post? Is he current??
In case anyone else is wondering, Paul won.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:06 PM   #2976
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How much money from your "sanctioned event" gets kicked back into your course and since when have any of your "sanctioned" events ever kicked back more cash into your course than one at Chandler and all the "non-members" attending.

Since when have you or your course ever done anything out there without having to ask for monetary support from the club?

The club has always voted where club funds go and considering the money Chandler brings in it is in the best interest of the club to support a second course there.

As for my event and Centennial....... I broke even for the event. But I have donated several hundred dollars to the course. The sod wasn't free, neither were the first tee pads markers. The extra dirt wasn't free. All of the concrete on the baskets wasn't free. All of these expenses and others came from my pocket. Could I have asked club for help? Maybe, but Ithought, how nice would it be to have a course that the club did not contribut one dime towards.

Maybe but at the time I believe you just wanted total control and a way of telling the TDSA to screw off. I also believe there was the promise of some trash cans and benches in there too.

Since they can't get the city of Tulsa to contribute one dime or get credit for the 100K we have put into the Tulsa courses. They won't even replace a stolen basket.

Well I don't believe the TDSA covered anything on the new Riverside layout

You can't even say the members from your event paid for anything. All of their money goes to the Parks Friends slush fund. The concrete was paid by the club. Just what has Park Friends given back to the course or the club?

To date:
1/3 the cost of the baskets, $900
Bricks for the raised baskets # 1 & # 4, $600 and free labor.
Gravel for the new parking lot $?
Free shelter rental for club events and much more to come.

Chandlerstock in general has been bringin in approx $550 in camping fees for the last four years. That's over $2000 from players and supporters of the event. Not a single dollar went to the TDSA yet the TDSA benefits in the end which was the main idea in the first place.


And don't say its the county workers putting in the baskets either, they get a pay check for that.

Yeah they do get a pay check but I believe they do it because they love us and DG and believe it or not most of them are not TDSA members either. I also bribe them with free CS merch as well.

Also, in trade, my course has provided new golfers for all of the other minis around town. They pay their fees, the club gets the money.

You can biatch all you want but the only thing not being a member prohibits me from doing is voting ot getting 2 free hot dogs a year. If you want to campaign for Centennial being removed from the schedule of events or advertisements, go for it. I'll just stop telling them about all the Tulsa events they should be playing and that ChandlerStock is nothing more than a cash cow for the TD and the Park Friends.

Say what you want but you will still be lying.

At any given mini, you can't tell me who is a current member and who isn't.

Maybe but those non-member guys are not backdooring their events onto the TDSA schedule either.

If all the current members are lifers, then what are they doing for the club?

I didn't mean all. Wayne Forest is a lifer. Jerry Stacey is a lifer. Bud Johnson is current at least and so is Jake Rieger a guy you never even see anymore.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:19 PM   #2977
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Reduce the non-members payout by 20%. If they ask why they got less than the next guy, just tell them he is a club member. That its one of the perks of membership.
I like that idea if only I didn't have to calculate it.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:28 PM   #2978
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Maybe but at the time I believe you just wanted total control and a way of telling the TDSA to screw off. I also believe there was the promise of some trash cans and benches in there too.
I don't have to have a reason to tell anyone to screw off, you should know that. But when you don't owe favors, it is easier.
The city will not allow any other kind of benches than the ones they have now, $500 each. I can't afford to buy very much at that costs. But I am donating all of the materials for a kiosk and have a person that is going to build it. That should happen this fall when it cools down. Chandler REALLY needs one. While the course may not currently have permanent trash cans, the city is great about getting them out there for events.

Well I don't believe the TDSA covered anything on the new Riverside layout
Niether did the city of Tulsa. That was an existing course that got a remake through River Parks, River Park Friends and Quick Trip. When has the City(other than Dave Z) gave us any recognition for our contributions to the City Parks system? I can only imagine the amount of money and man hours that we have GIVEN to the parks system.

To date:
1/3 the cost of the baskets, $900
Did they write a check? if so, to who?
Bricks for the raised baskets # 1 & # 4, $600 and free labor.
You got hosed on this deal. I just bought 2 pallets of those bricks and there was 144 on a pallet for way less than that. Free labor? I'd like to see their time sheets, you can bet the County paid for their time.
All 2.5 months it took to build them

Free shelter rental for club events and much more to come.
They should for all the work the club puts in out there and all the money donated to Park Friends.

I will have to admit its a much nicer park than before and looks like it will get even better. The addition of the new course makes it worth driving up there to play. Now if they could just get someone up there to run it all.

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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:30 PM   #2979
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I like that idea if only I didn't have to calculate it.
Not a problem. Have a sheet just like the one you have now with a slightly different pay out schedule. prove you're a member or you get this much for 1st, instead of this much or this much for 3rd vs. this much. They may sign up after that. If there is 10 in the division, you just look at what place they are and pay accordingly.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:33 PM   #2980
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Say what you want but you will still be lying.

Maybe but............................................... ...

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
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Old Jul 06 2010, 02:49 PM   #2981
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Well after finding this site, I will back off of your park friends. As you will see you can donated specificaly to the disc golf fund. Have never seen this before. Why did I have to find it? I bet you didn't even know about it. Why is it not on the club page?

http://www.parkfriendsinc.org/chandler-park-funds
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Old Jul 06 2010, 03:05 PM   #2982
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Like duh???....Dimwad.....I've known about it since day one that I took over out there.

I've talked about it on the board and at every CS. Where have you been???

The website if fairly new though and they mispelled "disc".

It's not on the TDSA board because the TDSA really has no direct control over that money though we can ask or suggest certain things that it be used for.

Why would I want to step down out there when I finally got everything the way I want it???

Next month's guest TD is Bud Johnson!!!
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Old Jul 06 2010, 03:10 PM   #2983
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I haven't asked the TDSA for anything other than a date that was open..
I'm an admin and I was there for scheduling...had an event scheduled for the end of the month on an "open date" just to have it taking away...anyone notice that there isn't anything on the TDSA's July schedule for the 31st?
Now how much were those membership fees!!!
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Old Jul 06 2010, 03:22 PM   #2984
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"Swagg Bagger!!!"....You're not showing up as "current" either.

Request DENIED!!!!

Doesn't it bother you that a non-current outlaw member like Wise can "backdoor" an event vs a non-current Admin like you that can't even front-door an event like a normal current member?

Actually the LS guys already had that date anyway.

And such are the days of our lives......(cue sad violin music here>>>>>)

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Old Jul 06 2010, 03:43 PM   #2985
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Doubles at Chandler... Give me a break, don't show up if you can't play perfect....because there are going to be alot of them...
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Actually the LS guys already had that date anyway.
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not true....and yes!
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Old Jul 06 2010, 04:04 PM   #2987
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I didn't back door anyone. I looked at the calandar, told them what it was for and asked if I could have it. Simple as that.

I think the catch phrase here is "You snooze, you lose" Duff.
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I wasn't snoozin....I think someone could have given me a reach around at least
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Old Jul 06 2010, 04:31 PM   #2989
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I didn't back door anyone. I looked at the calandar, told them what it was for and asked if I could have it. Simple as that.
Well obviously the TDSA should look into Arizona's example when it comes to letting illegal non-members book events.

I noticed the guy running the band camp thing (Kevin Hendricks) is a Farmers insurance agent as well. Is he your new or potentially new boss?

There's not a single word about this "band camp" event on his website either.

There should be at least one parent playing for every kid going.

Is "The band" actually going to be there??? What about Drew??? Is he going to be suited up and ready to go?
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Drew will be there. made the drum line as a freshman. How ever Julie and I will not be there. We will have to go through the holidays with out him. Quite sad.

If you;re asking about the disc tournament, the whole family will be there. Drew shot a 52 out there 2 days ago.

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Well here are my suggestions for your band camp tourney whether you want to hear them or not.

If the band members are not playing then they should at least be there to represent.

Personally I would like to hear them play Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk" and other rock'n roll stuff throughout the round. People in the ajoining neighborhood might get drawn in as well and it would bring more attention to the event.

If not that then at least one band member per hole playing his or her instrument on each hole when I tee off. Maybe a dramatic drum roll or something or in my case a tuba would probably represent my game better.

Finally,

If they don't want to play then have them offer to caddie. $1 per hole not including tips if they run and get me something to drink. I'll give your kid $20 to start.
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In case anyone else is wondering, Paul won.
really? i wasn't sure what the masters shot, wanted to compare
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Old Jul 07 2010, 11:30 AM   #2993
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Sad, very sad...........................

Now you're wanting to compare your scores to a field of 40 and 50 year olds. You beat the masters field.

Well don't stop there lets see how you did against the women and jrs.
All women and jrs........did the pro Paul Dorries beat your score?

By the way, nice put on 18. Also I put you on the clock for that drive and putt. You took the ENTIRE 30 seconds for the putt and 25 for the drive. If I played in your division, I'd clock you on every drive and putt and call you on it when they go over. You need to pick up the pace. If you and Sears were on the same card, you wouldn't have finsihed befor 9pm.

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Some think it, others say it.
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Old Jul 07 2010, 05:10 PM   #2997
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Drew will be there. made the drum line as a freshman. How ever Julie and I will not be there. We will have to go through the holidays with out him. Quite sad.

If you;re asking about the disc tournament, the whole family will be there. Drew shot a 52 out there 2 days ago.
Don't worry TwoPutt................

I'm pretty sure that FurDog has joined the PTA in your absence and is planning on "joining the band" as a "chaperone" and "mentor" to these youth

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really? i wasn't sure what the masters shot, wanted to compare
Yeah it kind of takes some of the fun out of it when scores aren't posted on-line.
Duff didn't do it for McClure.
I don't think Joel even owns a computer
Maybe someone ( in the tulsa area ) would like to help him out.
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By the way, nice put on 18. Also I put you on the clock for that drive and putt. You took the ENTIRE 30 seconds for the putt and 25 for the drive. If I played in your division, I'd clock you on every drive and putt and call you on it when they go over. You need to pick up the pace. If you and Sears were on the same card, you wouldn't have finsihed befor 9pm.
What are you complaining about? as you stated, I took 25 seconds on the drive, and 30 seconds on the putt, where did I break any rules? Oh, and you may want to check on these rules you are quoting. I have 30 seconds AFTER the other player has finished his putt and gotten out of the way, the putt is free of any distractions, and I have taken a fair amount of time to assess the putt and mark the lie. After assessing the score and determining if I was going to run at that putt and waiting on a distraction behind the basket, I'm sure I was well within the 30 seconds. Not to mention A. The drive was decent B. The putt went in C. That putt won the mini for me by 1.

Also, the drive would NOT have taken 25 seconds if I didn't slip on the run up and have to start over. Most of my other drives probably take about 15-20 seconds.

If you want to walk up to your drive and putt and just chuck away and record a nice .5 second prep time, thats fine by me. I will continue to use as much time as I want, I've never been called for anything in a sanctioned event, so get over it old man. I know there is only a certain amount of time you can hold your peepee inside your body, that isn't of my concern. Go to the doctor, get a cure for your enlarged prostate, and then when your going problem is no longer a growing problem, maybe you will become a pleasant person to be around.

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