Ask Chuck Kennedy

[thediscinmusician]

Can someone help me please locate the online version of the article we get sent every year when we renew our membership. It is a paper that describes all the different divisions and gives statistics. For example.

Recreation Division should be able to throw 250-300 feet. Make so many putts, and have a few shots

Intermediate Division so on and so on.

Does anyone know where this is at online if it is at all? Thanks!

[cgkdisc]

I don't think that doc is online.

[cholly]

Will the Japan Open make the next ratings update?

[cgkdisc]

That's the plan if we can get the report in the next 24 hours.

[daomac1000]

This is a little off the topic, but has anyone noticed that when you click on the "statistics" tab of the dropdown on the main page it's messed up and doesn't give any stats?

[kellerthedog]

Chuck, I was wondering if the ratings from the Aspen Sports Treebash (June 5-6) will be included in the June rating update.
Thanks

[havasuDG]

Lets add the Sylmar summertime open from the same weekend to that previous question

[keithjohnson]

If the TD's got them to HQ in Tournament Reports by the June 8th deadline - NOT just posting the scores online - which means NOTHING to the PDGA for Event reporting, so you would need to contact the TD's and ask them if they submitted completed Event reports before June 8th.

[thediscinmusician]

How is weather figured in to rating an event. For example...we were playing in an event yesterday. Play was normal til about 7 holes left to play and it began to pour and thunder, etc...well then shots that we'd normally throw 350' were now going 150'. Do you just base the ratings off of everyone elses score? Or is weather refigured in later on? Just wondering how all that works. Thanks Chuck!

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

How is weather figured in to rating an event. For example...we were playing in an event yesterday. Play was normal til about 7 holes left to play and it began to pour and thunder, etc...well then shots that we'd normally throw 350' were now going 150'. Do you just base the ratings off of everyone elses score? Or is weather refigured in later on? Just wondering how all that works. Thanks Chuck!

ratings are based on how (tough or easy) any given round plays for the rated disc golfers who participate / propagate -- so weather (like all other factors) is accounted for through that filter.

it works on the principle that on average people shoot their average (as long as you have a large enough sample size / group). if you toss a coin twice you may find statistical anomalies. if you toss a coin 1 million times you are looking pretty much at 50-50. Casinos get rich on people expecting to beat the odds. iow, on average, for every disc golfer who shoots hotter than their average, there will be a disc golfer shooting worse than their average.

[bruce_brakel]

The ratings don't factor in weather, or hills, or tight fairways, or anything else. Ratings just look at the current ratings of all the propagators and the scores of all the propagators, and new ratings are calculated off the averages.

Your rating is a numerical measure of how well you played compared to everyone else. If the rain hurt your score more than it did other players' scores, that will make your rating go down. If the rain had less of an effect on you than other players, you'll get a higher rating.

[audi12]

I attended an A teir and I have a question about the dress code for women. The TD did state that dri fits, no tube tops or mid drifts, would be premited. However, I am aware that sleevless shirts are allowed as long as they are in good repair. My question is what about tank tops?? Unfortunily this women choose not to wear any upper under garments either.

Is there anything that can be inforced/educated about this matter? It's bad enough that our sport gets enough bad veiws and I believe this is one unneeded occurrance can be rectified.


Thanks

audi

[DSproAVIAR]

Hey Chuck,

I'm wondering if the Am2 and Adv Grandmanster women are going to be getting ratings for the Disc Girls Gone Wild last weekend. Int/Grands/Rec (B-pool) played a different layout than the rest of the field. The only difference in the R1 and R3 layouts was on 1 hole where they played to a shorter basket, about 80' shorter. In R2 the B-pool played an entirely different layout with shorter temp tees on every hole.

Looks like there were 8 rated players that played the B-pool layouts. I know there is a low-end ratings cap to qualify as a propagator, but is there any chance that can be bypassed to get these ladies ratings?


http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ratings=1#Open Women

[cgkdisc]

We will do what we can to generate ratings. The TDs can help by indicating what the differences were between courses either by overall length or just on individual holes and enter that in the Notes on the event report.

[cgkdisc]

Originally Posted by audi12

However, I am aware that sleevless shirts are allowed as long as they are in good repair. My question is what about tank tops?? Unfortunily this women choose not to wear any upper under garments either.

Contact Gentry at the PDGA office regarding this issue.

[cgkdisc]

The ratings don't factor in weather, or hills, or tight fairways, or anything else. Ratings just look at the current ratings of all the propagators and the scores of all the propagators, and new ratings are calculated off the averages.

The ratings automatically take these factors into account via the scores that the propagators shoot. You can't break out how much the wind versus rain versus tight fairways specifically affect the scores. But all of those effects are rolled up into the socres the players shoot.

[DSproAVIAR]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

We will do what we can to generate ratings. The TDs can help by indicating what the differences were between courses either by overall length or just on individual holes and enter that in the Notes on the event report.

Thanks Chuck. What's the low-end cap for gators? 700?

[cgkdisc]

800

[audi12]

Thanks Chuck. I appreciate the help.

[DSproAVIAR]

Chuck,

What's the reasoning behind the minimum rating cap?

The high end cap of int women is 800, so the minimum gator cap is guaranteeing that if there is ever an exclusive int/rec women pool, they will never get ratings. That doesn't seem right.

[DSproAVIAR]

Chuck,

Unrelated to previous question-

Say I'm supposed to start the 2nd round of a tournament on #3. All groups are 3somes. I get there and only 1 other player in my group is there. 2 minute horn goes off, then the tee off horn goes off and the 3rd player never shows.

I thought that at this point, we are supposed to wait on the tee with the other player until the next 2 groups pass, and one of us joins up with each group to make 4somes.

I can't find anything about this in the rules or the comp manual.

What is the official procedure here?

[Jebb]

Today is Jun 22, about what time should the new ratings go live?

[hankdabank]

Originally Posted by MTL21676

Forrest Callaway from GA a few years ago (and I just tried to find the tournament and couldn't) in a 4 round event shot a round in the 1000s, the 900s, the 800s and the 700s.

One of the craziest things in terms of inconsistency I've ever seen.

I've done that...not proud of it, but here it is: (11th in ADV)
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ngs=1#Advanced

[cwphish]

Originally Posted by hankdabank

I've done that...not proud of it, but here it is: (11th in ADV)
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ngs=1#Advanced

Be proud that you are about to become Charlotte's newest 1000 rated player!

[kellerthedog]

Ratings today!

[bruce_brakel]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Chuck,

Unrelated to previous question-

Say I'm supposed to start the 2nd round of a tournament on #3. All groups are 3somes. I get there and only 1 other player in my group is there. 2 minute horn goes off, then the tee off horn goes off and the 3rd player never shows.

I thought that at this point, we are supposed to wait on the tee with the other player until the next 2 groups pass, and one of us joins up with each group to make 4somes.

I can't find anything about this in the rules or the comp manual.

What is the official procedure here?

I'm not Chuck. The competition manual prohibits groups less than three. It does not provide a procedure for reorganizing groups. Waiting for the next two groups to show up might not be the best strategy if, for example, there are only 40 players in your pool and you know there are seven open holes behind you.

Another interesting question this raises is how to determine the number of holes the late player has missed if you and the other guy join different groups. Suppose you're on hole 4 and 4 tee happens to be near 8 and 13 tee. So when he does not show one of you goes to 8 and the other goes to 14. He is five minutes late so he goes to 5 and then 6 and then 7 and cannot find either of you. Sucks to be him!

The real killer with this poorly conceived rule is that if there are only two of you, and he is not teeing off first, HE IS NEVER LATE! The rule says he is not late until 30 seconds after it is his turn to throw. Since you cannot start in a twosome, it never becomes his turn to throw.

In our effort to coddle irresponsible players we've created a rule that really does not work in practice. We ought to just adopt the gawf rule and DQ a player who is not present at tee off.

[jmonny]

Could a non-playing, pdga official follow along with a 2-some and by keeping score or monitoring the scorecard be a possible solution to this?

[kellerthedog]

Question-

In my new update (#29274) an event is included in my rating from 2 years ago and I 999'd in that tournament because I was playing opposite handed due to a broken hand. I was under the impression that tournaments where a player 999'd would NEVER count to a player's rating.

Could Chuck or someone clear this up.

THanks

Ryan

[veganray]

Rounds you fail to complete are not included. Completed rounds from tournaments you fail to complete are included.

[kellerthedog]

Originally Posted by veganray

Rounds you fail to complete are not included. Completed rounds from tournaments you fail to complete are included.

They why wasnt the tournament included in my previous updates? Is it only because I have less than 8 pdga rounds?