Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 386

LastBoyScout · Jun 03 2010, 09:21 AM

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

md21954 · Jun 03 2010, 09:44 AM

do they have metallic stamps?

20460chase · Jun 03 2010, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

I don't think they are a part of a stabilized run. S-TB is the normal designation for Star TeeBirds.

Okay thanks Dave. I just wasnt sure as they came with a bunch of " * T " designated Teebirds.

AirMcNair · Jun 03 2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

I have the same problem when I go through. I travel a lot and always take my discs and now my home airport just knows but the other places they always have to run them through again. I think there is just metallic stuff in the stamps.

davei · Jun 04 2010, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner.

The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result.

I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort.

Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights?

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

Disc Demon · Jun 05 2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

Dave,

If the Pro Rhyno has always been made of R-Pro, then what was the purpose of the R-Pro Rhyno. Same disc/different stamp?

What I mean is, I have some Pro Rhynos and I have some that say R-Pro Rhyno. Is there a difference?

I did notice that the few R-Pro Rhynos I have, have a slight dome to them.

pg043 · Jun 06 2010, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

I don't think they are a part of a stabilized run. S-TB is the normal designation for Star TeeBirds.

Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

mrspank · Jun 07 2010, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

Begs the question: Would a magnetic paint applied to the chains lead to less spit-throughs and bounce outs (I'm not familiar with the magnetic properties of metal salts)? I know more than a few disc golfers who would pee their pants at the thought of it.

veganray · Jun 07 2010, 03:44 PM

GUIDELINES & PROCEDURES FOR MANUFACTURERS
TO CERTIFY THAT EQUIPMENT COMPLIES WITH PDGA TECHNICAL STANDARDS Rev. 01/01/2010
Section I (DISCS)
Subsection C (Guidelines for Discs Manufactured for PDGA Competition)
Paragraph 2:

Quote:

Hi-Tech approved discs must:
be made of solid, non-magnetic plastic material, without any inflatable components

ishkatbible · Jun 08 2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Yes, we use metal salts to add weight.

not sure if this means anything in the way that you're describing...

from the LED thing on the home page...

"...- Besides glow discs that have been around for 20 years, there are some discs containing LEDs designed for night play on the market like those from Black Jax Sports pictured below. However, the Black Jax Quest and any other LED models currently do not yet meet PDGA specs, primarily because they contain metal. -..."

mattdisc · Jun 08 2010, 01:50 PM

Dave is on his way to the Japan Open and will not be on the board for awhile. Please be patient.

futurecollisions · Jun 09 2010, 03:11 PM

anyone have feedback on the echo star mako vs. the regular star?

veganray · Jun 09 2010, 03:43 PM

I read on another board (so don't quote me on it) that one is made of Echo STAR material & the other of regular STAR material. Sorry, I'm not sure which is which, though.

LastBoyScout · Jun 10 2010, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

anyone have feedback on the echo star mako vs. the regular star?

People are willing to pay around $5 more for echo plastic.

Unity · Jun 11 2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishkatbible

primarily because they contain metal. -..."

Metal salts are not metal, at least in the way that the PDGA means.

Quote:

Originally Posted by veganray

GUIDELINES & PROCEDURES FOR MANUFACTURERS
TO CERTIFY THAT EQUIPMENT COMPLIES WITH PDGA TECHNICAL STANDARDS Rev. 01/01/2010
Section I (DISCS)
Subsection C (Guidelines for Discs Manufactured for PDGA Competition)
Paragraph 2:

Quote:

Hi-Tech approved discs must:
be made of solid, non-magnetic plastic material, without any inflatable components

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

...run through the X-ray scanner...

The metal detector you walk through detects magnetic objects, not the scanner your carry-on passes through.

Furthur · Jun 11 2010, 02:36 PM

The scanner checks the density of objects and can determine what materials comprise the object (like metal salts). However, I doubt a metal detector would go off from carrying a disc though.

davei · Jun 11 2010, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disc Demon

Dave,

If the Pro Rhyno has always been made of R-Pro, then what was the purpose of the R-Pro Rhyno. Same disc/different stamp?

What I mean is, I have some Pro Rhynos and I have some that say R-Pro Rhyno. Is there a difference?

I did notice that the few R-Pro Rhynos I have, have a slight dome to them.

There is no difference between Pro Rhyno and R-Pro. The name R-Pro was used to differentiate driver Pro from Rubber Pro.

davei · Jun 11 2010, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pg043

Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

You are correct both * and S/ are the same Star designation.

davei · Jun 11 2010, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishkatbible

not sure if this means anything in the way that you're describing...

from the LED thing on the home page...

"...- Besides glow discs that have been around for 20 years, there are some discs containing LEDs designed for night play on the market like those from Black Jax Sports pictured below. However, the Black Jax Quest and any other LED models currently do not yet meet PDGA specs, primarily because they contain metal. -..."

Metal sailts are not metal or ferrous magnetic metals. NaCl is a metal salt, and is commonly called table salt.

ishkatbible · Jun 11 2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Metal sailts are not metal or ferrous magnetic metals. NaCl is a metal salt, and is commonly called table salt.

there we go... thanks. i was a bit confused on how metal wasn't metal... it would have been easier for me if you said sodium chloride... lol

PBeagle · Jun 12 2010, 09:39 AM

Hey there Dave,
I have a small question for ya! When our Club Board sat down and looked through the list of CFR plastic that was available for order I noticed that the Viper was no longer on the list??? Is that now a discontinued plastic for that disc or is there a hidden reason that i have not found yet????

gokayaksteven · Jun 13 2010, 02:12 AM

from another forum:
I have been going through every DX Roc I see around here and some of them seem to be Roc+es (is that how you pluralize it?). The weird thing is, the tilt on the rim is not nearly as steep on the DX as it is on the R-Pro when they are held in comparison. I am wondering if it is just the way this newer DX plastic they are using molds up, if it causes the rims to get jacked up? The ones I am seeing have a noticeable tilt on the rim, but nowhere near what the Roc+ is. I have about 30 new Ranchos from nearly every DX and KC Pro run they've put out since 11x, and this new DX plastic is definitely the softest DX I have seen and different from any run prior. It is no secret sometimes plastics mold up unusually (Champ Archangels anyone?), and I am wondering if maybe that is the case with these "mutant" DX Rocs we are seeing. Maybe, just MAYBE it's not all conspiracy theories and smoke and mirrors? Hmmmm?

hey Dave-- I thought you might find the above post interesting. I just got 3 new dx rocs from the recent run and they have slanted inner rims, but all markings indicate dx rancho.
any more thoughts on this?

could you make a roc that has a vertical inner rim wall, but with a slightly wider rim than, but still shaped like, a rancho? I like the idea of a beefier, better feeling roc, but am not a fan at all of the slanted inner rim.

almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing.

lastly- any word on flat, regular production champion gators?

thanks as always

prospect · Jun 13 2010, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prospect

Dave,
I bought a 172g Star Destroyer that is SUPER stable a couple weeks ago, and it's marked S/DS, instead of the regular hand drawn star/D. I know that Star Destroyers generally start out pretty stable, but this thing is crazy. Any idea why? It's blue, domey, and almost seems to have a nipple on top.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Don't really know why, but most likely it is a night shift Destroyer not properly marked. Star is generally supposed to be a -1 high speed for 400ft throws.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pg043

Hi Dave, just looking for some additional confirmation that there is nothing special about discs that are marked with an "S" instead of a "*." A lot of people seem to think that the S/DS destroyers are more stable, etc. I think it's just different employees at the factory who have different ways they like to mark the discs. Is this the case?

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

You are correct both * and S/ are the same Star designation.

?????

Jgrasseth · Jun 13 2010, 01:23 PM

Dave,
You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

Jgrasseth · Jun 13 2010, 01:26 PM

Dave,
Will Christian be moving to Team Champion now that he has won an NT? Thanks again!

20460chase · Jun 13 2010, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jgrasseth

Dave,
You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

They are the more grippy new looking Star Bosses. They dont seem to be nearly as overstable as the original batches of Starlights. They almost seem like different plastic altogether.

adiscgolfnut · Jun 13 2010, 10:39 PM

Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes:
Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star?

gippy · Jun 14 2010, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing.

I agree be a great subsitute to a KC Pro Aviar for winter or raining days. That plastic would stick the chains well. Nice n Grippy

20460chase · Jun 14 2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adiscgolfnut

Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes:
Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star?

Echo seems to fly a little more broken in, or less stable. They finish like a new disc though.

quickdisc · Jun 14 2010, 06:37 PM

Test run new mold r-pro roc (+) plus

Jun 03 2010, 09:21 AM	#11551
LastBoyScout PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134	Hey Dave. I'm sitting here in the airport after just having my revolution disc golf backpack run through the X-ray scanner. The star/champion/kc pro rocs and ce/kc pro aviars in the top half of the backpack set off the scanner. The TSA officer the re-ran my rocs and aviars again with the same result. I was then informed that the discs contain metal of some sort. Do you use a metallic additive to "beef" up disc weights? Last edited by LastBoyScout; Jun 03 2010 at 09:28 AM.

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adiscgolfnut PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan Posts: 8	Not sure if this was asked before because I looked but didn't see it so here goes: Are there flight differences between the same model disc made from different plastics: Star or Eco Star? __________________ John@MotorCityChainGang.com

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Jun 03 2010, 09:44 AM	#11552
md21954 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: the land of pleasant living Posts: 1,987	do they have metallic stamps?

Jun 08 2010, 01:50 PM	#11561
mattdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Swamps of Joisey Posts: 346	Dave is on his way to the Japan Open and will not be on the board for awhile. Please be patient.

Jun 09 2010, 03:11 PM	#11562
futurecollisions PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: houston Posts: 235	anyone have feedback on the echo star mako vs. the regular star?

Jun 09 2010, 03:43 PM	#11563
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	I read on another board (so don't quote me on it) that one is made of Echo STAR material & the other of regular STAR material. Sorry, I'm not sure which is which, though.

Jun 11 2010, 02:36 PM	#11566
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	The scanner checks the density of objects and can determine what materials comprise the object (like metal salts). However, I doubt a metal detector would go off from carrying a disc though.

Jun 12 2010, 09:39 AM	#11571
PBeagle Community Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Abilene Posts: 47	Hey there Dave, I have a small question for ya! When our Club Board sat down and looked through the list of CFR plastic that was available for order I noticed that the Viper was no longer on the list??? Is that now a discontinued plastic for that disc or is there a hidden reason that i have not found yet????

Jun 13 2010, 02:12 AM	#11572
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	from another forum: I have been going through every DX Roc I see around here and some of them seem to be Roc+es (is that how you pluralize it?). The weird thing is, the tilt on the rim is not nearly as steep on the DX as it is on the R-Pro when they are held in comparison. I am wondering if it is just the way this newer DX plastic they are using molds up, if it causes the rims to get jacked up? The ones I am seeing have a noticeable tilt on the rim, but nowhere near what the Roc+ is. I have about 30 new Ranchos from nearly every DX and KC Pro run they've put out since 11x, and this new DX plastic is definitely the softest DX I have seen and different from any run prior. It is no secret sometimes plastics mold up unusually (Champ Archangels anyone?), and I am wondering if maybe that is the case with these "mutant" DX Rocs we are seeing. Maybe, just MAYBE it's not all conspiracy theories and smoke and mirrors? Hmmmm? hey Dave-- I thought you might find the above post interesting. I just got 3 new dx rocs from the recent run and they have slanted inner rims, but all markings indicate dx rancho. any more thoughts on this? could you make a roc that has a vertical inner rim wall, but with a slightly wider rim than, but still shaped like, a rancho? I like the idea of a beefier, better feeling roc, but am not a fan at all of the slanted inner rim. almost lastly--I think a dx BB aviar in the stiff r-pro plastic (like the r-pro roc+ plastic) would be amazing. lastly- any word on flat, regular production champion gators? thanks as always

Jun 13 2010, 01:23 PM	#11574
Jgrasseth Community Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Left Coast Posts: 29	Dave, You had previously said that the you might produce the Destroyer in the Star Light plastic. Is this still in the works. Does Star light have to equal "extra stabilized" like the super beefy Star Light Bosses? Is there any chance of producing Star Light Bosses that are not super beefy ("extra stabilized"). Thanks for your time!

Jun 13 2010, 01:26 PM	#11575
Jgrasseth Community Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Left Coast Posts: 29	Dave, Will Christian be moving to Team Champion now that he has won an NT? Thanks again!