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md21954 · May 24 2010, 12:56 PM

dave,

is there any chance of seeing new runs of champion stingrays? the dx and star models ain't quite the same.

thanks

LastBoyScout · May 24 2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Furthur

A lot of the red star plastic is like this. It reminds me a lot of the 2005 SB Rocs.

I must have been the odd man out on this one. I have both a blue and red 2005 SB Roc and the red one is not see through by any means. its a solid red that completely blocks out the sun.

I wish it were like the TL. That would make it more money than it already is.

rickm · May 24 2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by md21954

dave,

is there any chance of seeing new runs of champion stingrays? the dx and star models ain't quite the same.

thanks

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Furthur · May 24 2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

I must have been the odd man out on this one. I have both a blue and red 2005 SB Roc and the red one is not see through by any means. its a solid red that completely blocks out the sun.

I wish it were like the TL. That would make it more money than it already is.

Ya, that plastic is cash. I have a Worlds StarTana made out of it. I (regrettably) passed on some Discmania PDs like this too.

davei · May 24 2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave,

What is up with the latest run of Star TLs?

The red ones are currently being described as "Champion Cherry" Star TL.

It feels great in the hand, almost like CE and tends to be a little more durable than the Star TLs in other colors.

Plus, they are translucent to a good degree.

Is this something repeatable with other versions of star plastic?

That pigment and blueberry were the original pigments. It is repeatable.

davei · May 24 2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by md21954

dave,

is there any chance of seeing new runs of champion stingrays? the dx and star models ain't quite the same.

thanks

We will run Champion Stingrays at some point. What about the Champion did you like as opposed to the Star or DX?

AviarX · May 25 2010, 12:58 AM

Hi Dave,

Well, I found I seemed to get just as many bounce outs with the glow Aviars as with the JK's, but is was good in the sense you suggested: a new disc increases focus and feel. plus it got me practicing putting

I will probably keep the glow in the bag for when i need more skip/slide than the friction-friendly JK and R-pro offer.

i think i was taken by the sweet stamp of the glow Aviars; today I acquired an R-Pro Aviar and the thing is simply awesome. Do you expect the R-Pro are as durable as the JK's? Either way i think i have found a winner. thanks

davei · May 25 2010, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviarX

Hi Dave,

Well, I found I seemed to get just as many bounce outs with the glow Aviars as with the JK's, but is was good in the sense you suggested: a new disc increases focus and feel. plus it got me practicing putting

I will probably keep the glow in the bag for when i need more skip/slide than the friction-friendly JK and R-pro offer.

i think i was taken by the sweet stamp of the glow Aviars; today I acquired an R-Pro Aviar and the thing is simply awesome. Do you expect the R-Pro are as durable as the JK's? Either way i think i have found a winner. thanks

I wouldn't expect the R-Pro to be as durable as the JK. The JK has the bead to protect the bottom from too much damage too soon and the JK starts a little over stable and needs a little tuning any way. You can expect the R-Pro to be considerably straighter at low speeds.

AviarX · May 25 2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

I wouldn't expect the R-Pro to be as durable as the JK. The JK has the bead to protect the bottom from too much damage too soon and the JK starts a little over stable and needs a little tuning any way. You can expect the R-Pro to be considerably straighter at low speeds.

I considered using my JK's that have slid along road and had the bead worn down for straight putters, but i would think such wear makes a 175g JK drop down too much in weight (never weighed one with such wear; wonder what a bead weighs...) For me the R-Pro will be for putting only and I will use my JK's as always for most approach shots and shorter drives. I love the feel and straightness of the R-Pro. Had very good success with it yesterday in a round.

20460chase · May 25 2010, 10:44 AM

Hi Dave,

The East CFR selection is looking a little light. I thought Glo Leopards were done? Any plans to add anything since most the Katanas have been sold?

krazyeye · May 25 2010, 11:20 AM

Are JKs coming out in Rpro plastic? Or have they already and just are not marked different.

davei · May 25 2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Hi Dave,

The East CFR selection is looking a little light. I thought Glo Leopards were done? Any plans to add anything since most the Katanas have been sold?

Glow leopards have been run. We are scrambling to mold regular stock right now so nothing new until we catch up.

davei · May 25 2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by krazyeye

Are JKs coming out in Rpro plastic? Or have they already and just are not marked different.

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

krazyeye · May 25 2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

From Innova website "The Dart is our first disc available in R-Pro material."

Hence my confusion.

20460chase · May 25 2010, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Glow leopards have been run. We are scrambling to mold regular stock right now so nothing new until we catch up.

Where are they? I have been waiting for 2 months. I guess I shouldve just bought one online, since the East doesnt and hasnt had any, at least that I know of. Ive been waiting patiently.

20460chase · May 25 2010, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

JKs are made in R-Pro. The JK and Pro Rhyno have always been made of R-Pro.

R-Pro Rhynos I got in a few months ago had the normal stamp, not an R-Pro.

davei · May 25 2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyeye

From Innova website "The Dart is our first disc available in R-Pro material."

Hence my confusion.

I guess that was confusing. It was the first to be called R-Pro, but not the first to be molded in R-Pro.

davei · May 25 2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Where are they? I have been waiting for 2 months. I guess I shouldve just bought one online, since the East doesnt and hasnt had any, at least that I know of. Ive been waiting patiently.

You need to contact Zeb on the East Coast. He does the ordering for CFR.

20460chase · May 25 2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

You need to contact Zeb on the East Coast. He does the ordering for CFR.

Done. Thank You. Once you get caught up, think there could be a future in Champion Glo Roadrunners? I think they would do very well.

Also, what about Star or Champion Pigs?

LastBoyScout · May 25 2010, 04:18 PM

Dave,

Can you verify/deny the following claim.

I was told that all First Run discs are run using a cheaper "Filler" plastic to basically test out the durability of the mold, make sure large production runs are coming out right and within specs.

The production run is then ran using the normal plastic that will be used for all future runs of a disc.

Is this true?
Is this why First Run discs almost always fly different than the Production runs?
Is this how "Night-Shift" discs were made? Did they run out of regular plastic and try and pull a fast one and use the "Filler" plastic.

Thanks for answering those questions that I'm sure keeps someone somewhere awake at night.

davei · May 25 2010, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Done. Thank You. Once you get caught up, think there could be a future in Champion Glo Roadrunners? I think they would do very well.

Also, what about Star or Champion Pigs?

Yes to Champion Glo Roadrunners. I don't think Star or Champion Pigs are possible right now. I think they are too heavy, if I remember the test properly.

20460chase · May 25 2010, 04:36 PM

Thank You Sir.

davei · May 25 2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave,

Can you verify/deny the following claim.

I was told that all First Run discs are run using a cheaper "Filler" plastic to basically test out the durability of the mold, make sure large production runs are coming out right and within specs.

The production run is then ran using the normal plastic that will be used for all future runs of a disc.

Is this true?
Is this why First Run discs almost always fly different than the Production runs?
Is this how "Night-Shift" discs were made? Did they run out of regular plastic and try and pull a fast one and use the "Filler" plastic.

Thanks for answering those questions that I'm sure keeps someone somewhere awake at night.

Not true at all. As for first runs being different. It happens sometimes and not others. Different runs may be run with different material batches and therefor might be different or not. On the other hand, there might be something to a brand new mold that does something different, that disappears over time, like the record grooves that are sometimes there. If this is the case, I can't explain it.

gokayaksteven · May 25 2010, 09:46 PM

re the roc+:
i like the feel of the stiff r-pro plastic, and would love to get a regular rancho roc in this plastic. I like how they are nice and flat.
i like the feel of the roc+ mold, but am still unsure of the slanted inner rim. was this slanted rim the only change in the mold? what was the purpose of the change, a different feel? what is the future of the mold, and what type of feedback are you getting from the team as well as the public?

davei · May 26 2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

re the roc+:
i like the feel of the stiff r-pro plastic, and would love to get a regular rancho roc in this plastic. I like how they are nice and flat.
i like the feel of the roc+ mold, but am still unsure of the slanted inner rim. was this slanted rim the only change in the mold? what was the purpose of the change, a different feel? what is the future of the mold, and what type of feedback are you getting from the team as well as the public?

Everything else is the same except it allows us to make heavier discs without as much weighting agent, and discs that feel better in the hand to some. The reaction is mixed. Long time Roc throwers are the most likely to not like it. They like the Roc the way it normally is. Players who didn't like the relatively small Roc rim, like the fuller feel of the + version. I am in this catagory, and prefer the + version. Now, people like me will be able to get the benefit of throwing a Roc for their game. It will likely be used in a limited capacity like R-Pro or a limited variation in some other material like Champion, which is what I prefer. Only R-Pro is main stream.

dangle · May 26 2010, 06:42 PM

Dave,

I love the first run star-stamped Bosses. I was wondering how the XG Bosses compare to them. Are they a little flippy, kind of like the first run Bosses or are they just as stable as the Feldbergs? If I am looking for a disc that is comparable to the star-stamped in terms of stability and D, what would be my best bet? Thanks!

gippy · May 26 2010, 07:55 PM

What about Star XDs any chance of these getting made agian?

davei · May 27 2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dangle

Dave,

I love the first run star-stamped Bosses. I was wondering how the XG Bosses compare to them. Are they a little flippy, kind of like the first run Bosses or are they just as stable as the Feldbergs? If I am looking for a disc that is comparable to the star-stamped in terms of stability and D, what would be my best bet? Thanks!

I doubt that they are as stable as the Feldbergs, but I don't know for sure.

davei · May 27 2010, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

What about Star XDs any chance of these getting made agian?

Definitely a chance, but not likely very soon.

20460chase · May 27 2010, 12:11 PM

The XGs we had felt similar to the 1st runs, but are more overstable. The new glassy looking Feldbergs are supposedly more straight stable.

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May 24 2010, 12:56 PM	#11491
md21954 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: the land of pleasant living Posts: 1,987	dave, is there any chance of seeing new runs of champion stingrays? the dx and star models ain't quite the same. thanks

May 25 2010, 12:58 AM	#11497
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Hi Dave, Well, I found I seemed to get just as many bounce outs with the glow Aviars as with the JK's, but is was good in the sense you suggested: a new disc increases focus and feel. plus it got me practicing putting I will probably keep the glow in the bag for when i need more skip/slide than the friction-friendly JK and R-pro offer. i think i was taken by the sweet stamp of the glow Aviars; today I acquired an R-Pro Aviar and the thing is simply awesome. Do you expect the R-Pro are as durable as the JK's? Either way i think i have found a winner. thanks

May 25 2010, 11:20 AM	#11501
krazyeye PDGA Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portland Posts: 2,250	Are JKs coming out in Rpro plastic? Or have they already and just are not marked different.

May 25 2010, 04:18 PM	#11510
LastBoyScout PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134	Dave, Can you verify/deny the following claim. I was told that all First Run discs are run using a cheaper "Filler" plastic to basically test out the durability of the mold, make sure large production runs are coming out right and within specs. The production run is then ran using the normal plastic that will be used for all future runs of a disc. Is this true? Is this why First Run discs almost always fly different than the Production runs? Is this how "Night-Shift" discs were made? Did they run out of regular plastic and try and pull a fast one and use the "Filler" plastic. Thanks for answering those questions that I'm sure keeps someone somewhere awake at night.

May 25 2010, 09:46 PM	#11514
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	re the roc+: i like the feel of the stiff r-pro plastic, and would love to get a regular rancho roc in this plastic. I like how they are nice and flat. i like the feel of the roc+ mold, but am still unsure of the slanted inner rim. was this slanted rim the only change in the mold? what was the purpose of the change, a different feel? what is the future of the mold, and what type of feedback are you getting from the team as well as the public?

May 26 2010, 06:42 PM	#11516
dangle Community Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: down around disc golf town Posts: 96	Dave, I love the first run star-stamped Bosses. I was wondering how the XG Bosses compare to them. Are they a little flippy, kind of like the first run Bosses or are they just as stable as the Feldbergs? If I am looking for a disc that is comparable to the star-stamped in terms of stability and D, what would be my best bet? Thanks!

May 26 2010, 07:55 PM	#11517
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	What about Star XDs any chance of these getting made agian?