Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 380

futurecollisions · Apr 24 2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

i like the firmer versions of the jk. what do you suggest i look for? certain colors? with or without the flight ratings?

i like the firmer ones too. I got a bunch of the new ones with flight numbers and they are too soft, feels like Rpro plasic. Ill probably give them away and keep looking for some of the older 5x

listen2bob · Apr 25 2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Webslinger

I recently acquired this disc and would like to know a bit about its history...
Why do they call it a 'Night Shift' Boss?
How many were made and is there anything unique about the plastic itself, or is it regular Star plastic?

It is a different bland of "stabilized" star plastic. Not sure about the bosses, but there were around 200 of the destroyers made. The destroyer version is hands down the best golf distance driver I have thrown in 20 years of playing. Literally took 4 discs out of my bag. Faster, more stable, ultra controllable and really predictable in the wind, drool
Dont know about the bosses though as that mold needs too much room to work for a golf course and I throw a destroyer further.

I know alot of the boss throwers love those if they can find them.

mf100forever · Apr 25 2010, 01:23 PM

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bcary93 · Apr 25 2010, 01:48 PM

I think there are a wide range in each run of JKs. I have JK 4x's that are indistinguishable from R-Pro and 5x's that are only slightly softer than KC Aviars.

davei · Apr 26 2010, 09:45 AM

I haven't had an ace for a year or so and have had very few anyway over the last few years, and I got an ace yesterday at Yucaipa Regional. The notable part of this is that it was a scoobie skip ace. I rarely throw this shot any more, but it paid off when I did.

mattdisc · Apr 26 2010, 10:25 AM

Congrats on your ace Dave! Last ace I had was July 2009 after installing 3 new baskets at Alexandria DGC, 1st throw Hole #1.

Loving the Katana, the disc just rips down the fairway. When will the Star and Champ models be ready for regular production? There is a great demand here in the Lehigh Valley. Thanks!

Matt LaCourte

rizbee · Apr 26 2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

I haven't had an ace for a year or so and have had very few anyway over the last few years, and I got an ace yesterday at Yucaipa Regional. The notable part of this is that it was a scoobie skip ace. I rarely throw this shot any more, but it paid off when I did.

Which hole? #4?

davei · Apr 26 2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattdisc

Congrats on your ace Dave! Last ace I had was July 2009 after installing 3 new baskets at Alexandria DGC, 1st throw Hole #1.

Loving the Katana, the disc just rips down the fairway. When will the Star and Champ models be ready for regular production? There is a great demand here in the Lehigh Valley. Thanks!

Matt LaCourte

Thanks Matt.

Star Katanas are scheduled for release next Monday. Champ is being held back for fund raising for now.

davei · Apr 26 2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Which hole? #4?

#5. Probably the only one I could reach with a scoobie.

ishkatbible · Apr 26 2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

#5. Probably the only one I could reach with a scoobie.

what is a scoobie?

tanner · Apr 26 2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by listen2bob

It is a different bland of "stabilized" star plastic. Not sure about the bosses, but there were around 200 of the destroyers made. The destroyer version is hands down the best golf distance driver I have thrown in 20 years of playing. Literally took 4 discs out of my bag. Faster, more stable, ultra controllable and really predictable in the wind, drool
Dont know about the bosses though as that mold needs too much room to work for a golf course and I throw a destroyer further.

I know alot of the boss throwers love those if they can find them.

This is very dis-heartening.

Hope I become one of the lucky few

JHBlader86 · Apr 26 2010, 05:29 PM

Dave, I came across a grey Star TeeBird the other day. The only stamp on it is the basic Innova logo you see on every disc, but written underneath where the mold was injected it says SBT, which I assume is Special Blend TeeBird. Can you give me any information on any Special Blend TeeBirds that were run? I thought only the Orc was Special Blend.

davei · Apr 26 2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ishkatbible

what is a scoobie?

A scoobie has similar action to a hook thumber, but has more control. It's held with a back hand power grip. Instead of winding up counter clock for a right hander, you wind up clockwise and hold the disc behind your right ear in a similar wrist and hand position as the backhand. The arm motion is similar to a hook thumb UD, but the back of the hand leads, instead of the front.

This is a staple shot for DDC (double disc court)

davei · Apr 26 2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBlader86

Dave, I came across a grey Star TeeBird the other day. The only stamp on it is the basic Innova logo you see on every disc, but written underneath where the mold was injected it says SBT, which I assume is Special Blend TeeBird. Can you give me any information on any Special Blend TeeBirds that were run? I thought only the Orc was Special Blend.

I don't remember the specifics as to weights and colors, but we have run some. Blue is all I remember in heavy weights.

gokayaksteven · Apr 26 2010, 06:51 PM

re aviars:
i like softer/tackier than kc's, but not super soft. there should be something in the middle, like say have the 5x's be like the 4x's, and have the r-pro be super soft.

RhynoBoy · Apr 26 2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JHBlader86

Dave, I came across a grey Star TeeBird the other day. The only stamp on it is the basic Innova logo you see on every disc, but written underneath where the mold was injected it says SBT, which I assume is Special Blend TeeBird. Can you give me any information on any Special Blend TeeBirds that were run? I thought only the Orc was Special Blend.

There is some good info on the SB Teebirds on the Collecting Discs thread.

LastBoyScout · Apr 27 2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

re aviars:
i like softer/tackier than kc's, but not super soft. there should be something in the middle, like say have the 5x's be like the 4x's, and have the r-pro be super soft.

You really need to get some JK Prototypes. Fairly firm disc, but the plastic has a grippy texture.

3X JKs have a little more grip to them, but they are softer too.

prospect · Apr 27 2010, 06:12 PM

Dave,
I bought a 172g Star Destroyer that is SUPER stable a couple weeks ago, and it's marked S/DS, instead of the regular hand drawn star/D. I know that Star Destroyers generally start out pretty stable, but this thing is crazy. Any idea why? It's blue, domey, and almost seems to have a nipple on top.

vadiscgolf · Apr 27 2010, 07:48 PM

I've got one also like that, blue with slight white marbled plastic. It's 172g and bottom stamped. Looks similar to the night shift Destroyers that I have. And likely flies like them. Over stable!

davei · Apr 28 2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by prospect

Dave,
I bought a 172g Star Destroyer that is SUPER stable a couple weeks ago, and it's marked S/DS, instead of the regular hand drawn star/D. I know that Star Destroyers generally start out pretty stable, but this thing is crazy. Any idea why? It's blue, domey, and almost seems to have a nipple on top.

Don't really know why, but most likely it is a night shift Destroyer not properly marked. Star is generally supposed to be a -1 high speed for 400ft throws.

AviarX · Apr 28 2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

There are multiple gradations of firmness or softness associated with the 5x JKs. We have a better opportunity now to consistently make them softer, as we have repaired the mold.

softer would be welcomed!

listen2bob · Apr 29 2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vadiscgolf

I've got one also like that, blue with slight white marbled plastic. It's 172g and bottom stamped. Looks similar to the night shift Destroyers that I have. And likely flies like them. Over stable!

Wow, if Daves response is right you are one lucky person. As soon as I got my NS I ravaged through the 100,000 discs at Clearwater Disc golf Store looking for more or mis stamps. I did find one bottom stamped 172 that felt eerily similar. Sounds like you may have scored one for a discounted price, LUCKY!!! but those are probably going to be to stable for you, so you can send them on vacation to Florida, please

Anybody have a comparison between the NS and the Echostar or the glow champs? I imagine I might break in the NS in the next few decades and will need more

Dana · Apr 29 2010, 09:42 AM

Is there a reason why Night Shift plastic isn't produced more? Do you have limited amounts of that plastic?
Thanks!

I think NS would look good in the TFR lineup

prospect · Apr 29 2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by listen2bob

Wow, if Daves response is right you are one lucky person. As soon as I got my NS I ravaged through the 100,000 discs at Clearwater Disc golf Store looking for more or mis stamps. I did find one bottom stamped 172 that felt eerily similar. Sounds like you may have scored one for a discounted price, LUCKY!!! but those are probably going to be to stable for you, so you can send them on vacation to Florida, please

Anybody have a comparison between the NS and the Echostar or the glow champs? I imagine I might break in the NS in the next few decades and will need more

Mine is a stock-stamped disc. I have not thrown a NS yet, but I have a friend who swears by the Echo. I really like the first run stars, and got lucky when I found a stash for $20 a piece. I also dig the older run of Echo Xcals, from 2008 or so, real grippy/fast.

Unity · May 02 2010, 09:55 PM

I'd heard that the C-PD is planned to go to regular production. Do you know what the time frame for regular run C-PDs is? Also, would we be able to count on the same stability as the CFR run?

futurecollisions · May 03 2010, 04:33 PM

anyone thrown the echo star mako? How does it compare to the first runs and regular runs?

davei · May 03 2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana

Is there a reason why Night Shift plastic isn't produced more? Do you have limited amounts of that plastic?
Thanks!

I think NS would look good in the TFR lineup

Night Shift doesn't fit in with our regular line up. Usually the Champion plastic is expected to be a little more over stable than the Star.

However, putting some NS in the TFR might be a good idea and appropriate for that demographic.

davei · May 03 2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unity

I'd heard that the C-PD is planned to go to regular production. Do you know what the time frame for regular run C-PDs is? Also, would we be able to count on the same stability as the CFR run?

C-PD is just CFR for now, but we would like to get it into the line-up when we can. Probably not going to happen this season. Same stability is anticipated.

HMont · May 04 2010, 10:45 AM

Hey Dave, what discs do you recommend for the hyzer flip shot and would a champion plastic work or are they too stable?

LastBoyScout · May 04 2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

I don't remember the specifics as to weights and colors, but we have run some. Blue is all I remember in heavy weights.

At one point i had 3 Special Blend Teebirds.

1 white with black swoosh logo

1 blue with red swoosh logo

1 grey with black swoosh logo

All were max weight

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davei PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 5,639	I haven't had an ace for a year or so and have had very few anyway over the last few years, and I got an ace yesterday at Yucaipa Regional. The notable part of this is that it was a scoobie skip ace. I rarely throw this shot any more, but it paid off when I did. __________________ Innova info By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

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HMont PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Santa Barbara, Ca Posts: 1	Hyzer Flip Hey Dave, what discs do you recommend for the hyzer flip shot and would a champion plastic work or are they too stable?

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Apr 25 2010, 01:48 PM	#11374
bcary93 PDGA Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 331	I think there are a wide range in each run of JKs. I have JK 4x's that are indistinguishable from R-Pro and 5x's that are only slightly softer than KC Aviars.

Apr 26 2010, 10:25 AM	#11376
mattdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Swamps of Joisey Posts: 346	Congrats on your ace Dave! Last ace I had was July 2009 after installing 3 new baskets at Alexandria DGC, 1st throw Hole #1. Loving the Katana, the disc just rips down the fairway. When will the Star and Champ models be ready for regular production? There is a great demand here in the Lehigh Valley. Thanks! Matt LaCourte

Apr 26 2010, 05:29 PM	#11382
JHBlader86 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 1,405	Dave, I came across a grey Star TeeBird the other day. The only stamp on it is the basic Innova logo you see on every disc, but written underneath where the mold was injected it says SBT, which I assume is Special Blend TeeBird. Can you give me any information on any Special Blend TeeBirds that were run? I thought only the Orc was Special Blend.

Apr 26 2010, 06:51 PM	#11385
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	re aviars: i like softer/tackier than kc's, but not super soft. there should be something in the middle, like say have the 5x's be like the 4x's, and have the r-pro be super soft.

Apr 27 2010, 06:12 PM	#11388
prospect PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The moment between the disc leaving my hand and hitting the chains Posts: 28	Dave, I bought a 172g Star Destroyer that is SUPER stable a couple weeks ago, and it's marked S/DS, instead of the regular hand drawn star/D. I know that Star Destroyers generally start out pretty stable, but this thing is crazy. Any idea why? It's blue, domey, and almost seems to have a nipple on top.

Apr 27 2010, 07:48 PM	#11389
vadiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Grange Posts: 183	I've got one also like that, blue with slight white marbled plastic. It's 172g and bottom stamped. Looks similar to the night shift Destroyers that I have. And likely flies like them. Over stable!

Apr 29 2010, 09:42 AM	#11393
Dana PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ILL Posts: 623	Is there a reason why Night Shift plastic isn't produced more? Do you have limited amounts of that plastic? Thanks! I think NS would look good in the TFR lineup

May 02 2010, 09:55 PM	#11395
Unity Community Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	I'd heard that the C-PD is planned to go to regular production. Do you know what the time frame for regular run C-PDs is? Also, would we be able to count on the same stability as the CFR run?

May 03 2010, 04:33 PM	#11396
futurecollisions PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: houston Posts: 235	anyone thrown the echo star mako? How does it compare to the first runs and regular runs?