Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 378

davei · Apr 06 2010, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AviarX

I meant where my grip intersects the disc, and using reference to a horizontal clock. (taking the disc to be a clock with 12 being the forward edge and 6 being the trailing edge. When the disc passes my side my grip of the disc is at 9 oclock (wrist is cocked). at that point my thumb is pointing maybe at 2. At release in my present, no doubt flawed, technique my grip is at 7:30 (with thumb pointing at about 1:30). I think I have been trying to push the disc too far behind the first (aka: biggest) knuckle and that puts the knife edge into the web of my hand. With a lid that isn't so uncomfortable... I have a bad habit with backhand and forehand of feeling the (tight) grip pressure in the outer edge of the rim rather than the inner edge. i guess the focus should be on the inner rim(?) and with wider discs that is also a far more comfortable side to grip tightly. that would allow me not to .c.ock the wrist as much and so the grip would be more at 8 when it passes my side and more near 6 (thumb pointing at 12 or forward) upon release. hope this is somewhat clear... a looser grip will result too -- which may not be bad at all...

I think you have it. Definitely don't try to put the rim behind your fist knuckle. Instead, for big winged drivers, rest the bevel against the distal side of the fist knuckle. lt will fit there and allow a fairly tight grip when squeezed with the thumb. The base of your thumb will provide the tightness at this point. The pad of the thumb will control your snap and hit along with your stiff fingers with the pad/pads of your index and middle fingers into the wall of the rim.

davei · Apr 06 2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

hey dave, what is Discmania's TD and MD2? what do the compare too? thanks

The TD compares to a Valkyrie or Sidewinder. The MD2 is between a Shark and a Coyote, I think. It flies very straight and stable.

davei · Apr 06 2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by two5twosix9

Any word on KC teebirds?

It was too stiff to run in normal KC. We are still looking for a substitute material.

gippy · Apr 06 2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

It was too stiff to run in normal KC. We are still looking for a substitute material.

Stiff is good. NO?

thediscinmusician · Apr 06 2010, 09:13 AM

Just glad to see there's some work being done on the KC Teebirds...whatever you come up with I'm sure will be great Dave. Thanks!

Furthur · Apr 06 2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by atreau3

Hey Dave!

What can you tell me about this basket?

Was it made for 150 class original aviars, or can it be used for heavier putters?

Wow, I played on a course full of those at McQuarie University in Sydney, Australia 5 years ago.

Furthur · Apr 06 2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

The TD compares to a Valkyrie or Sidewinder. The MD2 is between a Shark and a Coyote, I think. It flies very straight and stable.

I would assume closer to a Sidewinder, since the CD sort of flies like a Viking/Valk? I tell people the CD is a faster, more sensitive TL type disc. Did they feel the CD didn't have enough turn?

Furthur · Apr 06 2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gippy

Stiff is good. NO?

Not if they can't get it out of the mold.

davei · Apr 06 2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gippy

Stiff is good. NO?

Stiff is not good according to PDGA tech standards.

davei · Apr 06 2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Furthur

I would assume closer to a Sidewinder, since the CD sort of flies like a Viking/Valk? I tell people the CD is a faster, more sensitive TL type disc. Did they feel the CD didn't have enough turn?

Yes, they wanted a disc with more turn than the CD.

LastBoyScout · Apr 06 2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Furthur

Not if they can't get it out of the mold.

Just have them turn the mold upside down and slap it real hard.

works with glass ketchup bottles

DeafDGolfer · Apr 06 2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by atreau3

Great!

I just won it on ebay last night... I had never seen on of them before...

Thanks for the info!

I have one in my storage for looooonnnng time!

how much did you pay for it? I wonder

gippy · Apr 06 2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafDGolfer

I have one in my storage for looooonnnng time!

how much did you pay for it? I wonder

What is it? with out having to dig through to find this post

DeafDGolfer · Apr 06 2010, 06:34 PM

this one

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Originally Posted by atreau3

Hey Dave!

What can you tell me about this basket?

Was it made for 150 class original aviars, or can it be used for heavier putters?

page back, it has pix of the basket

gippy · Apr 06 2010, 06:46 PM

Oh ya ya i seen one at my kids school LOL

AviarX · Apr 06 2010, 07:47 PM

Dave, thanks for the help. while it obviously can simplify getting the disc from point A to point B in certain situations, one additional reason i've decided to work on my forehand is it seems to offer better potential in bad traction situations and where inclines or obstacles make stepping into a shot problematic. do you think that is accurate?

davei · Apr 06 2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AviarX

Dave, thanks for the help. while it obviously can simplify getting the disc from point A to point B in certain situations, one additional reason i've decided to work on my forehand is it seems to offer better potential in bad traction situations and where inclines or obstacles make stepping into a shot problematic. do you think that is accurate?

Yes. The key is to keep your arm as loose as you can, your grip as tight as you can, and your hit as compact as possible, almost as if you are trying to spin it as fast as you can.

AviarX · Apr 06 2010, 10:50 PM

i have a tendency to just want to put the middle finger pad on the rim wall and have the index finger next to the middle one ... am i better off with both pads on the rim? also, is the thumb pad location behind the finger-pad/rim junction, directly above it, or...? does the thumb set just inside the rim and point somewhat forward?

davei · Apr 07 2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AviarX

i have a tendency to just want to put the middle finger pad on the rim wall and have the index finger next to the middle one ... am i better off with both pads on the rim? also, is the thumb pad location behind the finger-pad/rim junction, directly above it, or...? does the thumb set just inside the rim and point somewhat forward?

There are different grips that have both pads on the wall. My grip is a stack with my middle finger on the wall and my index backing my middle finger. The thumb pad goes where it can depending on the relative length, I suppose. My thumb is relatively short compared to my fingers and my thumb pad tries to oppose the middle and index pads, but comes up slightly short. It is just short of being aligned with the side of the index pad. As with a backhand, the thumb controls the escape of, (or traps) the rim with as little or as much force needed for the shot. The fingers never let the disc go. The thumb controls when the disc rim may escape.

junky · Apr 08 2010, 12:32 PM

Dave,
Skip the Champ. Mako, go straight to the Champ GLOW Mako!

20460chase · Apr 08 2010, 02:59 PM

Hi Dave,

Whats your take on the Echo Dart?

davei · Apr 08 2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Hi Dave,

Whats your take on the Echo Dart?

I didn't like the feel as well as the Star, so I really haven't thrown it enough to critique it or compare it.

one19 · Apr 09 2010, 01:57 AM

Dear Dave -

I should probably wait until it arrives -

But I can't...

I recently picked up a Star Kite on a whim.
I love this disc. Great glide - Super Roller...

Well, at league last night it rolled into traffic and was run over.
So I went looking for a new one.

I found what was advertised as a CHAMPION Kite.

Couldn't believe my eyes.
Purchased it immediately.

I've enclosed a photo.

It seems to have that unmistakable Kite dome.

Is this a new addition?
CFR/TFR?

Or is this not a Kite at all?

A domey Coyote?

Like I said, I probably should've waited until I have it in hand.

Harry

davei · Apr 09 2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by one19

Dear Dave -

I should probably wait until it arrives -

But I can't...

I recently picked up a Star Kite on a whim.
I love this disc. Great glide - Super Roller...

Well, at league last night it rolled into traffic and was run over.
So I went looking for a new one.

I found what was advertised as a CHAMPION Kite.

Couldn't believe my eyes.
Purchased it immediately.

I've enclosed a photo.

It seems to have that unmistakable Kite dome.

Is this a new addition?
CFR/TFR?

Or is this not a Kite at all?

A domey Coyote?

Like I said, I probably should've waited until I have it in hand.

Harry

Those were part of a test run of Champion Kites. SoCal used them for membership discs.

Sharky · Apr 09 2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by vadiscgolf

Hi, I've bought 3 aviars in the past few months and all are marked 175g, but way 3 grams less. 1 is the new kc pro another is r pro, and another dx that feels like r pro and 2 are 171.5 and 171.8, and the other is 172. As a buyer I can't even buy a disc without weighing it first personally to insure that its the marked weight lately. Is this an issue the seller or the manufacture should deal with?

I do know that Jason at Marshall Street now weighs all discs and ships you out the weight you want regardless of what is written on the disc, example I bought two 163 Star Roadrunners from Marshall Street recently one was marked 162 the other 164.

MikeInscho · Apr 10 2010, 01:13 AM

That's pretty cool he does that. Some people ...its a big deal to get the exact size and color ( myself included ) It screws with my head if I have the same disc but in a different weight of 2 or 3 gram variance. I know it's not much but.. I feel much better getting exact back ups...color included.

20460chase · Apr 10 2010, 02:51 PM

Guess you better hope he has an accurate scale.

agyba · Apr 13 2010, 07:08 AM

Dave,

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that Innova has plans to release a new speed 13 driver, which would be more overstable than a boss. Are these plans still underway? Any tentative, 'hopeful' flight numbers? or still too early?

Also, I have heard the Discmania P2 referred to as a beadless KC Aviar. How similar are the molds?

Thank you in advance ...

davei · Apr 13 2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by agyba

Dave,

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that Innova has plans to release a new speed 13 driver, which would be more overstable than a boss. Are these plans still underway? Any tentative, 'hopeful' flight numbers? or still too early?

Also, I have heard the Discmania P2 referred to as a beadless KC Aviar. How similar are the molds?

Thank you in advance ...

It's still too early for the over stable Boss. We haven't even test shot it yet.

The P2 is the same driver mold as the KC, without the bead. The flight characteristic for the P2 is the same at high speed, but with less low speed over stability.

John Keith · Apr 13 2010, 06:18 PM

whats the best Katana....Are people jammin with the Pro, or Champ more. I like the idea of the Champ plastic cause it should hold its flight characteristics longer. (more durable). Is the champ still close to the under-stability as the Pro? I plan on picking up 1 or 2 this weekend.

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20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Hi Dave, Whats your take on the Echo Dart? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

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one19 PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 14	Champion Kite Dear Dave - I should probably wait until it arrives - But I can't... I recently picked up a Star Kite on a whim. I love this disc. Great glide - Super Roller... Well, at league last night it rolled into traffic and was run over. So I went looking for a new one. I found what was advertised as a CHAMPION Kite. Couldn't believe my eyes. Purchased it immediately. I've enclosed a photo. It seems to have that unmistakable Kite dome. Is this a new addition? CFR/TFR? Or is this not a Kite at all? A domey Coyote? Like I said, I probably should've waited until I have it in hand. Harry Last edited by one19; Apr 09 2010 at 04:13 AM.

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Apr 06 2010, 09:13 AM	#11315
thediscinmusician PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Athens, AL Posts: 190	Just glad to see there's some work being done on the KC Teebirds...whatever you come up with I'm sure will be great Dave. Thanks!

Apr 06 2010, 06:46 PM	#11325
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	Oh ya ya i seen one at my kids school LOL

Apr 06 2010, 07:47 PM	#11326
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Dave, thanks for the help. while it obviously can simplify getting the disc from point A to point B in certain situations, one additional reason i've decided to work on my forehand is it seems to offer better potential in bad traction situations and where inclines or obstacles make stepping into a shot problematic. do you think that is accurate?

Apr 06 2010, 10:50 PM	#11328
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	i have a tendency to just want to put the middle finger pad on the rim wall and have the index finger next to the middle one ... am i better off with both pads on the rim? also, is the thumb pad location behind the finger-pad/rim junction, directly above it, or...? does the thumb set just inside the rim and point somewhat forward?

Apr 10 2010, 01:13 AM	#11336
MikeInscho PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clayton, NC Posts: 58	That's pretty cool he does that. Some people ...its a big deal to get the exact size and color ( myself included ) It screws with my head if I have the same disc but in a different weight of 2 or 3 gram variance. I know it's not much but.. I feel much better getting exact back ups...color included.

Apr 13 2010, 07:08 AM	#11338
agyba Community Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 19	Dave, I thought I read somewhere in this thread that Innova has plans to release a new speed 13 driver, which would be more overstable than a boss. Are these plans still underway? Any tentative, 'hopeful' flight numbers? or still too early? Also, I have heard the Discmania P2 referred to as a beadless KC Aviar. How similar are the molds? Thank you in advance ...

Apr 13 2010, 06:18 PM	#11340
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	whats the best Katana....Are people jammin with the Pro, or Champ more. I like the idea of the Champ plastic cause it should hold its flight characteristics longer. (more durable). Is the champ still close to the under-stability as the Pro? I plan on picking up 1 or 2 this weekend.