Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by agyba

So who's thrown the new Teebird +? I have got one of the Carolina Clash Glo's at max weight, and loving it.

Finding it a little less HSS stable out of the box than some of the star and 12x champs I have thrown, but just as LSS. Makes for a pretty sweet run.

Thoughts? Comments?

I have two DGV champs I am willing to trade. Can't stand the feel of them, early release problems.

[J_VanOver]

[QUOTE=davei;1419807]This is an issue we have been dealing with for a long time. We went to digital scales thinking they would be better, but they were worse.[QUOTE]

Dave,
At work we weigh grease that we put into driveshafts in grams. We use digital scales that are calibrated annually. On a normal day we use a calibrated weight to test the scale. Another thing about high end scales are that they are very environment/wind sensitive. If you have fans blowing in the factory then that would change the measurement. We have our scales enclosed on 4 sides (left, right, rear, and top) to keep our fans from changing the measurements. Depending on the way the fans are blowing you could get lift (to make the disc measure lighter) or drag (make the disc measure heavier). If our measurements meet Ford standards then I would think they are pretty precise and the technique could work for you too. I could get you the name and model number of the scales if you want.

[LastBoyScout]

I'm sure Dave mentioned this at some point, but there is some water loss/gain that can occur as the disc "cures" affecting the final weight of a disc

[RhynoBoy]

Originally Posted by agyba

So who's thrown the new Teebird +? I have got one of the Carolina Clash Glo's at max weight, and loving it.

Finding it a little less HSS stable out of the box than some of the star and 12x champs I have thrown, but just as LSS. Makes for a pretty sweet run.

Thoughts? Comments?

Really? I threw the Teebird+ and my 11x Teebird(with CA. engraving) side by side today into a steady 20+mph headwind today to test the stability of each. The Tee+ had a touch more HSS and more LSS than my 11x. But, my 11x is a few months old, and the difference between the two could be attributed to that... Point is that I found the Tee+ to be a stable predictable flyer. BTW, I don't throw as far as some others, just around 300ft, so that should be taken into account also.

[vadiscgolf]

Maybe workers see a number on the scales a few times and go with that to hurry production. I think weight is important, why else write it on the disc? If there is water loss or gain, then when will that happen? I've yet to own a disc that gains weight, though some lose weight from wear and tear. I'm not trying to be a pain, just as a consumer I would like to see more accurate weights for purchase.

[agyba]

Originally Posted by RhynoBoy

Really? I threw the Teebird+ and my 11x Teebird(with CA. engraving) side by side today into a steady 20+mph headwind today to test the stability of each. The Tee+ had a touch more HSS and more LSS than my 11x. But, my 11x is a few months old, and the difference between the two could be attributed to that... Point is that I found the Tee+ to be a stable predictable flyer. BTW, I don't throw as far as some others, just around 300ft, so that should be taken into account also.

I thought so. Maybe it's just the one I got? Anyone else find their TB+ more HSS than others?

[agyba]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

I have two DGV champs I am willing to trade. Can't stand the feel of them, early release problems.

How stiff are those? I have been wondering?

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by agyba

How stiff are those? I have been wondering?

Very. one more than the other but both are not soft.

[Webslinger]

Dave,

Just curious about this ebay posting:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Seller states this disc is, "...a later run that is a Special Blend mix...", and "...has STB 170 written on the bottom and feels like a mixture of champion, star and CE..."

Is there indeed, or has there been in the past, a "special blend" mix designated STB on the KC Pro Teebird? Mark at DGV has 11x KC Pro Teebirds for sale that look exactly like the pic in this seller's posting. Wondering if they are one in the same.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Webslinger

Dave,

Just curious about this ebay posting:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Seller states this disc is, "...a later run that is a Special Blend mix...", and "...has STB 170 written on the bottom and feels like a mixture of champion, star and CE..."

Is there indeed, or has there been in the past, a "special blend" mix designated STB on the KC Pro Teebird? Mark at DGV has 11x KC Pro Teebirds for sale that look exactly like the pic in this seller's posting. Wondering if they are one in the same.

Yes, there was a small batch. It was part of a run where we used the stabilizing process and materials on TeeBirds. The ones I remember were blue.

[Webslinger]

Originally Posted by davei

Yes, there was a small batch. It was part of a run where we used the stabilizing process and materials on TeeBirds. The ones I remember were blue.

Thanks for the reply. Do you know if that small batch is what Mark has for sale at DGV, or were these released sometime ago?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Webslinger

Thanks for the reply. Do you know if that small batch is what Mark has for sale at DGV, or were these released sometime ago?

Sorry, no I don't, but Mark should know.

[futurecollisions]

Dave,

How would you say the star dart compares to the star skeeter as far as drives?

Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Dave,

How would you say the star dart compares to the star skeeter as far as drives?

Thanks

The Star Skeeter has more speed and more glide, but the Star Dart has more wind resistance and torque resistance. The Star Skeeter might be better for lower power throwers and the Dart can be used by higher power throwers. Both fly very straight. I have thrown both quite a bit and I prefer the Dart even though it has a shorter range, it is more reliable for me.

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by davei

The Star Skeeter has more speed and more glide, but the Star Dart has more wind resistance and torque resistance. The Star Skeeter might be better for lower power throwers and the Dart can be used by higher power throwers. Both fly very straight. I have thrown both quite a bit and I prefer the Dart even though it has a shorter range, it is more reliable for me.

Thanks Dave, thats exactly what i wanted to know. I recently got a star skeeter, looking for a straighter version of the spider, and it seems too understable for me especially in any wind so looks like i need to get a star dart.

[John Keith]

I just want to tak this Oppurtunity to Brag on the CFr (Champ) Destroyers. Wow what a disc. I throw Destroyers, Boss's and Nukes. I wanted to sclae down my bag for a recent Tourny and So I just went with 3 Destroyers for all D Shots. WOW, these things Rock. I I have 1 Ch beat in Destroyer, I kinda New and 1 bradn New for windy and ovrestable Hyzers. I have some distance, but Im more know for my consistancy.. I can throw 400ft, and with a great shot..430-440. I was pumping the Ch Destroyers out around 430-450 all weekend. I out drove my card most of the time with these. and to my surprise they are not just big bomb disc but also good controllable D. Im very impressed with the control I have at 400ft +. and then Sunday the wind was Brutal, I got real nervous because I took out my overstable drivers for wind. All I had was a brand new Ch Destroyer. and wow It held its own. I was still out driving guys into head winds and it never fliped out of control. It could hold a line into a mean head wind.
So If anybody is looking for a consistant looong distance driver, check out the Champ Destroyer. If you have a brand new one, be patient and allow the disc to wrok in as they become much farther throwing disc with age. Way to go Innova.

[pdorries]

Originally Posted by John Keith

I just want to tak this Oppurtunity to Brag on the CFr (Champ) Destroyers. Wow what a disc. I throw Destroyers, Boss's and Nukes. I wanted to sclae down my bag for a recent Tourny and So I just went with 3 Destroyers for all D Shots. WOW, these things Rock. I I have 1 Ch beat in Destroyer, I kinda New and 1 bradn New for windy and ovrestable Hyzers. I have some distance, but Im more know for my consistancy.. I can throw 400ft, and with a great shot..430-440. I was pumping the Ch Destroyers out around 430-450 all weekend. I out drove my card most of the time with these. and to my surprise they are not just big bomb disc but also good controllable D. Im very impressed with the control I have at 400ft +. and then Sunday the wind was Brutal, I got real nervous because I took out my overstable drivers for wind. All I had was a brand new Ch Destroyer. and wow It held its own. I was still out driving guys into head winds and it never fliped out of control. It could hold a line into a mean head wind.
So If anybody is looking for a consistant looong distance driver, check out the Champ Destroyer. If you have a brand new one, be patient and allow the disc to wrok in as they become much farther throwing disc with age. Way to go Innova.

ive found some similar results with one of my cfr destroyers from later 2008, i'm curious John.. do you like only max weight ones? the one ive grown to love is a domey 169. I normally want to throw max weight, but this one holds so straight. what weights do you throw?

[thediscinmusician]

Quick question...I'm looking at getting some inner chains for the discatcher sports I have. Who do I need to get in touch with at Innova to get ahold of these? Dave are you the one or do you just handle discs? If you're not the one (I feel like we're in the Matrix now...) who do I need to talk to and how much $$$ do they run? Thanks. I've heard it's cheaper to just go buy the chain but I'd rather pay a little more and do less work on getting everything right. Thanks for whatever info you can give!

[davei]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

Quick question...I'm looking at getting some inner chains for the discatcher sports I have. Who do I need to get in touch with at Innova to get ahold of these? Dave are you the one or do you just handle discs? If you're not the one (I feel like we're in the Matrix now...) who do I need to talk to and how much $$$ do they run? Thanks. I've heard it's cheaper to just go buy the chain but I'd rather pay a little more and do less work on getting everything right. Thanks for whatever info you can give!

You should be able to get chain sets from either coast's sales office. I don't know off hand how much they are, but I will find out. The entire set of outer and inner with S hooks, looks like $100 for the Pro model. I don't know about the Sport model. I don't know if we even sell inner sets for those. Neal on the east coast. Mark on the west coast.

[junky]

When was the Phenix made?

[flynvegas]

1987 or 1988

Sam Ferrans held a distance workd record with this disc. I had a sweet skip ace with one.

[davei]

Originally Posted by junky

When was the Phenix made?

The beginning of 1988. The PDGA has it listed as Jan 1988.

[Furthur]

Originally Posted by davei

The beginning of 1988. The PDGA has it listed as Jan 1988.

Dave, when I was asking you some questions about the article for Discgolfer, you mentioned that you created the Phoenix with the purpose of breaking the distance record. Care to expound on that?

[LastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by thediscinmusician

Quick question...I'm looking at getting some inner chains for the discatcher sports I have. Who do I need to get in touch with at Innova to get ahold of these? Dave are you the one or do you just handle discs? If you're not the one (I feel like we're in the Matrix now...) who do I need to talk to and how much $$$ do they run? Thanks. I've heard it's cheaper to just go buy the chain but I'd rather pay a little more and do less work on getting everything right. Thanks for whatever info you can give!

What? You don't want to sit for hours with a bucket of chains, bolt cutters, bag full of s hooks, bag full of 4 inch rings, and 2 sets of pliers?

Oh yeah, then you have to remove the top of the basket to put on the inner chains.

Its really a 2 man job. Thank God i was out of a job when i did this for two different 18 hole courses.

[John Keith]

Originally Posted by pdorries

ive found some similar results with one of my cfr destroyers from later 2008, i'm curious John.. do you like only max weight ones? the one ive grown to love is a domey 169. I normally want to throw max weight, but this one holds so straight. what weights do you throw?

well My Buddy Matt who can throw about 40-50 ft further than me Swears by the 167-169 CFR Domey Destroyers. he loves them, They do seem overstable just as good as a max weight. How ever I like to throw similar disc with tail wind, cross wind and head wind and I find Im more consistant and confident with a max weight. 173--175. I do have 2 172 that i like alot and it seems i can turn out of my hand a little easier. But Im having all my success with the heavier ones (once they break in a little) like i said they are pretty overstable while new.
in my opinion the heavy ones will break in to awesome disc for you just like the 169 but it might take a few months.
My purple 175 CFR destroyers is about 2 yrs old and its out performing all my other fast drivers.

[bpait]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but are the Roc+ overstable or is just the rim configuration different than the previous versions?

[Furthur]

According to Dave, the R+ has the same HSS but less LSS than the current Rancho mold.

[John Keith]

Ok I was out practicing my Drives across a field today and I was pondering Ideas about why we choose certain drivers and why so many different players vary with what they deem as the best driver:
We know about different styles of throws but I was thinking about how many different players vary when it comes to the amount of SNAP they put on a disc. Here an idea I have to explain why I choose my disc and maybe this will just be interesting to read, or perhaps help some players choose a good driver for the.???
For this exercise lest put “Snap” into a range.
Say a Valkyrie/Sidewinder would be 1 (least) and a Teebird / Tracker would be about 5, and a destroyer / Force would be about 7-8 and then a Boss 8, a Firebird/Max/Predator would be 10.
If you can SNAP a 10 Disc then Your name is Robbie Bratten, He can snap a drive with all his strength and a predator will fly strait for him. He has so much snap he can actually make a Pred anny when he release it strait. That’s definitely more snap than I have. Now people all differ in how much snapo they have. Some of my friends have to tape finger tips as they are snapping very hard with tight grips. And some guys just realease disc with spin and don’t snap so hard as they have loose grips. I would say im in the middle as I have to chalk or rub dirt on finger tips to get a smooth release and not hurt my fingers, my grip is pretty hard.
I would put my SNAP level at about a 7. To me I Snap hard and I like to released very Strait or flat. I can flip a 175 teebird If I put all my snap into a shot, where Robbie Bratten could snap over a Pred if he threw with same strength. So im learning why I love my certain drivers and others don’t have the same opinion. For me I am practicing with Champion Boss’s, Champion Destroyers, Star Destroyers, Pro Destroyers, ESP NUKES.
I am tweaking my shots and learning which is the best distance driver for My SNAP. I think a beat in Champion Destroyer ranges in the 7, 6.1/2 range if its well beat in. So I think my SNAP is around a 6-7 depending on how hard I throw. I’m getting my Snap ranges from looking at the Stability chart from Marshal Streets Disc Golf Chart. So for me If a Destroyer beats in and becomes a little less over stable then it becomes a perfect SNAP ranger for my distance shots with good control. The Boss’s are to over stable so my best Snap can’t throw them Strait and they just go left. I am liking the Nukes as their Snap range is a little less than the destroyer so they are flying very well for me.
I just thought it was cool to put these drivers in a Snap range. I know a lot of guys differ with their amount of SNAP. Some Hyzer flip, some release flat. And guys like Robbie can release hyzer and flip anny a predator….anyways I know this is long but it was interesting to my brain.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, when I was asking you some questions about the article for Discgolfer, you mentioned that you created the Phoenix with the purpose of breaking the distance record. Care to expound on that?

I retooled the old Aero mold, which was on its last legs. I knew what I wanted to make, (it was in the original patent drawings). I also knew that the disc would not be a particularly good golf disc. It was fairly over stable at low speeds and stable to slightly under at high speeds. I taught Sam Ferrans how to throw a high anhyzer, which was necessary for this type of disc. It took him about 2 weeks to get it down. He was the first to use this style of distance throwing. The disc was legal to 190, but we used a lighter disc at 176-177gms to get more carry and initial acceleration. First tournament, he set the record. He had thrown farther in practice though, so it wasn't a fluke. The mold didn't last too much longer.

[notahobogolfer]

Originally Posted by John Keith

Ok I was out practicing my Drives across a field today and I was pondering Ideas about why we choose certain drivers and why so many different players vary with what they deem as the best driver:
We know about different styles of throws but I was thinking about how many different players vary when it comes to the amount of SNAP they put on a disc. Here an idea I have to explain why I choose my disc and maybe this will just be interesting to read, or perhaps help some players choose a good driver for the.???
For this exercise lest put “Snap” into a range.
Say a Valkyrie/Sidewinder would be 1 (least) and a Teebird / Tracker would be about 5, and a destroyer / Force would be about 7-8 and then a Boss 8, a Firebird/Max/Predator would be 10.
If you can SNAP a 10 Disc then Your name is Robbie Bratten, He can snap a drive with all his strength and a predator will fly strait for him. He has so much snap he can actually make a Pred anny when he release it strait. That’s definitely more snap than I have. Now people all differ in how much snapo they have. Some of my friends have to tape finger tips as they are snapping very hard with tight grips. And some guys just realease disc with spin and don’t snap so hard as they have loose grips. I would say im in the middle as I have to chalk or rub dirt on finger tips to get a smooth release and not hurt my fingers, my grip is pretty hard.
I would put my SNAP level at about a 7. To me I Snap hard and I like to released very Strait or flat. I can flip a 175 teebird If I put all my snap into a shot, where Robbie Bratten could snap over a Pred if he threw with same strength. So im learning why I love my certain drivers and others don’t have the same opinion. For me I am practicing with Champion Boss’s, Champion Destroyers, Star Destroyers, Pro Destroyers, ESP NUKES.
I am tweaking my shots and learning which is the best distance driver for My SNAP. I think a beat in Champion Destroyer ranges in the 7, 6.1/2 range if its well beat in. So I think my SNAP is around a 6-7 depending on how hard I throw. I’m getting my Snap ranges from looking at the Stability chart from Marshal Streets Disc Golf Chart. So for me If a Destroyer beats in and becomes a little less over stable then it becomes a perfect SNAP ranger for my distance shots with good control. The Boss’s are to over stable so my best Snap can’t throw them Strait and they just go left. I am liking the Nukes as their Snap range is a little less than the destroyer so they are flying very well for me.
I just thought it was cool to put these drivers in a Snap range. I know a lot of guys differ with their amount of SNAP. Some Hyzer flip, some release flat. And guys like Robbie can release hyzer and flip anny a predator….anyways I know this is long but it was interesting to my brain.

What are you asking dave or are you just saying you like destroyers? You copied and pasted this from another spot you posted.