Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 375

mf100forever · Mar 25 2010, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Star or Champ Zephyr....[drool]

Tried the Champ Zephyr, less stable than the DX, according to MArk Molnar the Star Zephyr is almost impossible to make?

Would love a Zephyr X though...., TE Moko is a bit more stable than the average Zephyr, but I looking for much more stability!

davei · Mar 25 2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mf100forever

Tried the Champ Zephyr, less stable than the DX, according to MArk Molnar the Star Zephyr is almost impossible to make?

Would love a Zephyr X though...., TE Moko is a bit more stable than the average Zephyr, but I looking for much more stability!

Both the Champion and Star are very difficult to make at weight. We could possibly try a form of R-Pro that is fairly stiff. The problem with that is getting the piece out of the mold.

20460chase · Mar 25 2010, 10:36 AM

It would be nice if you could make them stiffer, like the previous batch before the new stamp. The newer more gummy versions dont take much of a beating at all.

dstearns5 · Mar 25 2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Probably not. But Champion or Star stability are an effect of the molding more than the material. We generally run Champion to be a little more stable than Star. Pro would be less stable out of the box and easier to beat to a significant turn. That would probably work.

A pro Stingray would be pretty sweet I imagine. Do it.

20460chase · Mar 25 2010, 11:02 AM

Hi Dave,

This is the Hands Aviar I was talking about that was re-issued. I guess it was sent out by Jonathon Poole. Is this something we can expect in the future, as far copying old stamps and sending them out? Do you really think that is a good idea? The one I have has a current Innova Swoosh on the bottom, so its obviously a reproduction, but Im pretty sure it wasnt advertised that way on Ebay where I bought it.

JerryChesterson · Mar 25 2010, 11:12 AM

What's the status on producing the Champ Glo Leopards?

dgdave · Mar 25 2010, 11:43 AM

There are or were some glo champ leo x outs on dgv not to long ago.

mikeP · Mar 25 2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

It was the original code for the disc before Discmania decided it was to be called Distance Driver.

Were you guys calling it something that "AW" stood for? For some reason I just find this kind of trivial stuff interesting (like the Hobbit/Goblin).

AWSmith · Mar 26 2010, 12:43 AM

i noticed something very strange today. my 175 star teerex has a dimple on the underside of the rim. i have never felt this before and ive thrown the disc nearly every round for the last 8 months. is there an explanation for this dave? ive found discs before with similar dimples but never cared to much as to why.

davei · Mar 26 2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryChesterson

What's the status on producing the Champ Glo Leopards?

I believe they have already been produced. The Leopard mold is currently running Star.

davei · Mar 26 2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeP

Were you guys calling it something that "AW" stood for? For some reason I just find this kind of trivial stuff interesting (like the Hobbit/Goblin).

It was a code that identified the parts that made it. The top part is a cavity we call Anhyzer and the bottom part is a Wraith core.

davei · Mar 26 2010, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smyith

i noticed something very strange today. my 175 star teerex has a dimple on the underside of the rim. i have never felt this before and ive thrown the disc nearly every round for the last 8 months. is there an explanation for this dave? ive found discs before with similar dimples but never cared to much as to why.

These dimples are either caused by heat sink or inadequate venting. If they are very minor, they might get by the inspection. If they are easily noticeable they are rejected. It is strictly a cosmetic problem, but they usually end up as X parts.

AWSmith · Mar 26 2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

These dimples are either caused by heat sink or inadequate venting. If they are very minor, they might get by the inspection. If they are easily noticeable they are rejected. It is strictly a cosmetic problem, but they usually end up as X parts.

so are these still legal to play with? affect flight?

so the heat sink and/or inadequate venting is on my side of the issue?

RhynoBoy · Mar 26 2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smyith

so are these still legal to play with?

Yes X-outs are legal to play with.

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Originally Posted by smyith

affect flight?

Double check the response you quoted for the answer to this.

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Originally Posted by smyith

so the heat sink and/or inadequate venting is on my side of the issue?

I don't even understand this question, but if you're implying that you could be a cause of the issue, then no.

jgros079 · Mar 26 2010, 05:17 PM

Dave,

I ran across this Banshee a few days ago. It's older, but I can't figure out much about it. I posted a picture of it below. Can you tell me anything about the stamp? Is it a custom stamp or a factory one, and roughly how old do you think this disc could be?

Thanks so much,

-Jordan

Cooper · Mar 26 2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by smyith

so are these still legal to play with? affect flight?

so the heat sink and/or inadequate venting is on my side of the issue?

In my experience (I've seen them on some pro destroyers and one echo star destroyer) they seem to make the flight more inconsistent. Oftentimes the disc will either be understable or overstable with seemingly very similar wind conditions and appreciably similar throws. I would imagine the size of the 'dimple' makes the effects more drastic.

gippy · Mar 26 2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooper

In my experience (I've seen them on some pro destroyers and one echo star destroyer) they seem to make the flight more inconsistent. Oftentimes the disc will either be understable or overstable with seemingly very similar wind conditions and appreciably similar throws. I would imagine the size of the 'dimple' makes the effects more drastic.

I had this on a CE Eagle the X one and it was so flippy unlike all my others didn't like it. I would be looking for the Eagle flight and would get a broke in Valkyrie flight. Then other times it wouldn't flip very weird not good IMO

AWSmith · Mar 27 2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooper

In my experience (I've seen them on some pro destroyers and one echo star destroyer) they seem to make the flight more inconsistent. Oftentimes the disc will either be understable or overstable with seemingly very similar wind conditions and appreciably similar throws. I would imagine the size of the 'dimple' makes the effects more drastic.

hmmm....that disc is a lil inconsistent. that stinks.... guess i have to start beating in a new teerex. this always takes so **** long. o well, i guess its fun in its own way.

alexjohnson13 · Mar 28 2010, 12:49 AM

Dave,

I bought a 1st run Boss off of Suzzette a couple years back when they first came out around the time of the AM So Cal Championships, and it had the most amazing glassiness to it of any clear disc I have ever seen. Unfortunately it is no longer in my possession as of about 6 months ago and I have been trying like mad to find another one with that same glassy look to it, without shelling out over 50 bucks for it. Do you know what kind of look I am trying to describe? I am an avid collector especially of clear plastic and have never seen anything like those Bosses in terms of appearance.

I even tried picking up some X-Out XG Ice Bosses from DGV a while back hoping I would see that glossiness again but they didn't have that shine.

Thanks
Alex

RhynoBoy · Mar 28 2010, 01:00 PM

I think I know what you're talking about. I got some new Teebird+'s from DGV and they had the same look to the plastic that I remembered some of my 1st run bosses did.

Trickay · Mar 28 2010, 11:24 PM

Dave,

Has innova ever made a monarch valk? My buddy has a hotstamped disc that has MV on the back and the rim with is shot like a valk but has the groove?

If so what was the purpose for this?

davei · Mar 29 2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alexjohnson13

Dave,

I bought a 1st run Boss off of Suzzette a couple years back when they first came out around the time of the AM So Cal Championships, and it had the most amazing glassiness to it of any clear disc I have ever seen. Unfortunately it is no longer in my possession as of about 6 months ago and I have been trying like mad to find another one with that same glassy look to it, without shelling out over 50 bucks for it. Do you know what kind of look I am trying to describe? I am an avid collector especially of clear plastic and have never seen anything like those Bosses in terms of appearance.

I even tried picking up some X-Out XG Ice Bosses from DGV a while back hoping I would see that glossiness again but they didn't have that shine.

Thanks
Alex

I remember the Bosses being run and some days they would be glassy looking and some days not. We didn't change the settings and the material was supposed to be the same from the manufacturer, but it changed. Most of the time, it ran a little cloudy, but on rare occasions it would run pretty glassy. The Tee+ is a little different. We were testing materials during the first run and some were clearer than others. The Tee+ will generally run clearer than the regular TeeBird at higher weights.

davei · Mar 29 2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Trickay

Dave,

Has innova ever made a monarch valk? My buddy has a hotstamped disc that has MV on the back and the rim with is shot like a valk but has the groove?

If so what was the purpose for this?

That was the code for the Japan 150 class Monarchs. The regular Monarch mold wouldn't make 150 class.

20460chase · Mar 29 2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Hi Dave,

This is the Hands Aviar I was talking about that was re-issued. I guess it was sent out by Jonathon Poole. Is this something we can expect in the future, as far copying old stamps and sending them out? Do you really think that is a good idea? The one I have has a current Innova Swoosh on the bottom, so its obviously a reproduction, but Im pretty sure it wasnt advertised that way on Ebay where I bought it.

Along with this, any insight into the "S-TB" Teebirds that are floating around and why they would have an 11x KC Teebird stamp on them? I have some of the pre-star Teebirds that actually came out then, and they all are listed as normal " T 174" on the back. It also features a Innova Champion 12x Ken Climo stamp.

davei · Mar 29 2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Along with this, any insight into the "S-TB" Teebirds that are floating around and why they would have an 11x KC Teebird stamp on them? I have some of the pre-star Teebirds that actually came out then, and they all are listed as normal " T 174" on the back. It also features a Innova Champion 12x Ken Climo stamp.

I haven't heard the story on the hands Aviar, but I did hear something today about some TeeBirds. I don't know the whole story yet but apparently 4 proto Star TeeBirds got put in with a box of old CE TeeBirds and were stamped along with them. I think Mark at discgolfvalues can tell you more than I can.

jgros079 · Mar 29 2010, 11:00 PM

Anyone happen to know anything about my Banshee stamp posted earlier?

vadiscgolf · Mar 29 2010, 11:21 PM

Hi, I've bought 3 aviars in the past few months and all are marked 175g, but way 3 grams less. 1 is the new kc pro another is r pro, and another dx that feels like r pro and 2 are 171.5 and 171.8, and the other is 172. As a buyer I can't even buy a disc without weighing it first personally to insure that its the marked weight lately. Is this an issue the seller or the manufacture should deal with?

davei · Mar 30 2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vadiscgolf

Hi, I've bought 3 aviars in the past few months and all are marked 175g, but way 3 grams less. 1 is the new kc pro another is r pro, and another dx that feels like r pro and 2 are 171.5 and 171.8, and the other is 172. As a buyer I can't even buy a disc without weighing it first personally to insure that its the marked weight lately. Is this an issue the seller or the manufacture should deal with?

This is an issue we have been dealing with for a long time. We went to digital scales thinking they would be better, but they were worse. If the exact weight is important, checking is always good. There are some shops that offer reweighing as a value added service.

agyba · Mar 30 2010, 07:33 AM

So who's thrown the new Teebird +? I have got one of the Carolina Clash Glo's at max weight, and loving it.

Finding it a little less HSS stable out of the box than some of the star and 12x champs I have thrown, but just as LSS. Makes for a pretty sweet run.

Thoughts? Comments?

20460chase · Mar 30 2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vadiscgolf

Hi, I've bought 3 aviars in the past few months and all are marked 175g, but way 3 grams less. 1 is the new kc pro another is r pro, and another dx that feels like r pro and 2 are 171.5 and 171.8, and the other is 172. As a buyer I can't even buy a disc without weighing it first personally to insure that its the marked weight lately. Is this an issue the seller or the manufacture should deal with?

I keep a digital scale on the counter in the shop. For the most part, Innova has gotten alot better at hitting the written weight.

Mar 25 2010, 10:36 AM	#11223
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	It would be nice if you could make them stiffer, like the previous batch before the new stamp. The newer more gummy versions dont take much of a beating at all. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Mar 28 2010, 12:49 AM	#11239
alexjohnson13 PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CO Posts: 157	1st run boss Dave, I bought a 1st run Boss off of Suzzette a couple years back when they first came out around the time of the AM So Cal Championships, and it had the most amazing glassiness to it of any clear disc I have ever seen. Unfortunately it is no longer in my possession as of about 6 months ago and I have been trying like mad to find another one with that same glassy look to it, without shelling out over 50 bucks for it. Do you know what kind of look I am trying to describe? I am an avid collector especially of clear plastic and have never seen anything like those Bosses in terms of appearance. I even tried picking up some X-Out XG Ice Bosses from DGV a while back hoping I would see that glossiness again but they didn't have that shine. Thanks Alex __________________ Turbo Rhyno

Mar 30 2010, 07:33 AM	#11249
agyba Community Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 19	Tb + So who's thrown the new Teebird +? I have got one of the Carolina Clash Glo's at max weight, and loving it. Finding it a little less HSS stable out of the box than some of the star and 12x champs I have thrown, but just as LSS. Makes for a pretty sweet run. Thoughts? Comments?

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Mar 25 2010, 11:12 AM	#11226
JerryChesterson PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shakedown Street Posts: 3,711	What's the status on producing the Champ Glo Leopards?

Mar 25 2010, 11:43 AM	#11227
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	There are or were some glo champ leo x outs on dgv not to long ago.

Mar 26 2010, 12:43 AM	#11229
AWSmith PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 338	i noticed something very strange today. my 175 star teerex has a dimple on the underside of the rim. i have never felt this before and ive thrown the disc nearly every round for the last 8 months. is there an explanation for this dave? ive found discs before with similar dimples but never cared to much as to why.

Mar 28 2010, 01:00 PM	#11240
RhynoBoy PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Sunflower State Posts: 519	I think I know what you're talking about. I got some new Teebird+'s from DGV and they had the same look to the plastic that I remembered some of my 1st run bosses did.

Mar 28 2010, 11:24 PM	#11241
Trickay Community Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Peoria Posts: 8	Dave, Has innova ever made a monarch valk? My buddy has a hotstamped disc that has MV on the back and the rim with is shot like a valk but has the groove? If so what was the purpose for this?

Mar 29 2010, 11:00 PM	#11246
jgros079 Community Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4	Anyone happen to know anything about my Banshee stamp posted earlier?

Mar 29 2010, 11:21 PM	#11247
vadiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Grange Posts: 183	Hi, I've bought 3 aviars in the past few months and all are marked 175g, but way 3 grams less. 1 is the new kc pro another is r pro, and another dx that feels like r pro and 2 are 171.5 and 171.8, and the other is 172. As a buyer I can't even buy a disc without weighing it first personally to insure that its the marked weight lately. Is this an issue the seller or the manufacture should deal with?