Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 371

joegraham · Mar 15 2010, 11:54 AM

Lighter Star Boss' are wicked overstable. I have a 168, and 167. More overstable than anything I've thrown in a long time!

AWSmith · Mar 15 2010, 12:50 PM

dave, what has changed between the 3x, 4x, and 5x jk valks? my original was a 3x that was super stable and amazing in the wind. after that got stolen i got a 4x, which was ever so slightly more understable, almost negligent. i recently acquired a 5x and its way!!!! flippier. i remember some time ago something about the valks at one point having a X mold and a L mold, similar to the Eagle. just curious really if its me thats changed or the disc or a combo of both. thanks

davei · Mar 15 2010, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

hi Dave- am going to order some bosses online. I want the most (over)stable. should i go with the 175 DF champ, or the 168 star?
thanks

Champion is probably more consistently over stable, but some of the Starlite Bosses are way over stable. 168g might be too heavy for Starlite. I have some 165-167gm Starlites that are crazy.

davei · Mar 15 2010, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smyith

dave, what has changed between the 3x, 4x, and 5x jk valks? my original was a 3x that was super stable and amazing in the wind. after that got stolen i got a 4x, which was ever so slightly more understable, almost negligent. i recently acquired a 5x and its way!!!! flippier. i remember some time ago something about the valks at one point having a X mold and a L mold, similar to the Eagle. just curious really if its me thats changed or the disc or a combo of both. thanks

The Valkyrie mold has remained the same. The material we get from the manufacturers, does change from batch to batch.

DSproAVIAR · Mar 15 2010, 03:02 PM

Dave,

Is there any reason why you cannot make some drivers in the current KC Pro Roc plastic? Maybe a CFR run of Teebirds? I like the KC Roc plastic because-

1. The grip is excellent. Not too grippy like dx, not too slick like champ or star.

2. How the flight pattern of the disc changes gradually over time. A dx might beat into a perfect dead-straight flight for a short period of time, but will continue beating up and turn into a roller very quickly. Champ/star doesn't beat in enough to change the flight in a reasonable period of time.

A TB in KC Roc plastic would be sweet! Please?

gippy · Mar 15 2010, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smyith

dave, what has changed between the 3x, 4x, and 5x jk valks? my original was a 3x that was super stable and amazing in the wind. after that got stolen i got a 4x, which was ever so slightly more understable, almost negligent. i recently acquired a 5x and its way!!!! flippier. i remember some time ago something about the valks at one point having a X mold and a L mold, similar to the Eagle. just curious really if its me thats changed or the disc or a combo of both. thanks

It's possiable when you had your frist one the 3X you where in the learning phase. Now years later you have better form more snap and faster arm speed. All that could be part of the reason you find them flippy as well. Just a thought

ross · Mar 15 2010, 04:04 PM

Hi Dave -- sorry if you have already answered this but any plans to make the Rancho Rocs in Star plastic?

pdorries · Mar 15 2010, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Is there any reason why you cannot make some drivers in the current KC Pro Roc plastic? Maybe a CFR run of Teebirds? I like the KC Roc plastic because-

1. The grip is excellent. Not too grippy like dx, not too slick like champ or star.

2. How the flight pattern of the disc changes gradually over time. A dx might beat into a perfect dead-straight flight for a short period of time, but will continue beating up and turn into a roller very quickly. Champ/star doesn't beat in enough to change the flight in a reasonable period of time.

A TB in KC Roc plastic would be sweet! Please?

second

two5twosix9 · Mar 15 2010, 07:08 PM

A KC plastic firebird would be pretty awesome. I would love to have a mako in the KC also.

davei · Mar 15 2010, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

Hi Dave -- sorry if you have already answered this but any plans to make the Rancho Rocs in Star plastic?

We have several times.

ross · Mar 15 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

We have several times.

Thanks -- next question: where can I buy them?

gokayaksteven · Mar 15 2010, 11:46 PM

ross--i sent you a pm

John Keith · Mar 16 2010, 10:23 AM

great Idea about KC plastic stuff, i would love to try a teebird, mako in KC...wow sounds cool.

ChrisEads · Mar 16 2010, 12:04 PM

Yes Dave please let us know about the possibilities of the Teebird being reproduced in the KC Pro plastic. Firebird would be cool too.

davei · Mar 16 2010, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

Yes Dave please let us know about the possibilities of the Teebird being reproduced in the KC Pro plastic. Firebird would be cool too.

It would be easy to make TeeBirds or Firebirds in the KC Roc material. We did that for a while with the Whippet, but there wasn't much interest. I don't think there would be much interest in the Firebirds or TeeBirds either. This might not be a bad experiment to try, if and when we had time. Right now, we don't unfortunately.

two5twosix9 · Mar 16 2010, 12:38 PM

What have you heard about the liking or disliking of the beefy teebird and roc?
I like the plastic and the flight of the teebird but, for me, the rim makes it difficult to get a consistant release. The disc tends to fall out early. I have thrown the teebird for years so getting used to the new mold probably isn't going to happen. Love the flight and the plastic but the feel of the mold is odd. Haven't thrown the roc.
I am curious what others think.

unclemercy · Mar 16 2010, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

It would be easy to make TeeBirds or Firebirds in the KC Roc material. We did that for a while with the Whippet, but there wasn't much interest. I don't think there would be much interest in the Firebirds or TeeBirds either. This might not be a bad experiment to try, if and when we had time. Right now, we don't unfortunately.

awful

DSproAVIAR · Mar 16 2010, 01:10 PM

Dave,

Thanks for the response. I hope you find time soon, the demand is there!

I think that the KC plastic TB would be much more popular than the KC Whippet. Just my $.02- If I were in the market for a Whippet, I'd get a Whippet in more durable plastic like champ or star so that it would stay overstable. I think that many players feel the same.

unclemercy · Mar 16 2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

It would be easy to make TeeBirds or Firebirds in the KC Roc material. We did that for a while with the Whippet, but there wasn't much interest. I don't think there would be much interest in the Firebirds or TeeBirds either. This might not be a bad experiment to try, if and when we had time. Right now, we don't unfortunately.

if it's even possible, what would be the minimum order required for innova to find time to press these into the schedule?

1000 tbs? 10000 tbs?

two5twosix9 · Mar 16 2010, 02:18 PM

I think you would be suprised. Newer players that think their wraith is a fairway driver great for 250 foot tunnel shots might not like it but players with a little more experience would likwly jump on some KC tb or fb. They would be awesome. Thanks.

dehaas · Mar 16 2010, 02:19 PM

My local club has two of the 11x kc pro whippets sitting in their plastic stash...there have been several times I've thought about picking them up...just didn't know if there was any demand for them. I think a teebird made out of the kc pro plastic would be pretty sweet as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Thanks for the response. I hope you find time soon, the demand is there!

I think that the KC plastic TB would be much more popular than the KC Whippet. Just my $.02- If I were in the market for a Whippet, I'd get a Whippet in more durable plastic like champ or star so that it would stay overstable. I think that many players feel the same.

davei · Mar 16 2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclemercy

if it's even possible, what would be the minimum order required for innova to find time to press these into the schedule?

1000 tbs? 10000 tbs?

We would have to believe that at least 1000 would sell, other wise it wouldn't be worth the effort to cycle in and out of the material. On the other hand, if we found a way to cycle in and out easily from R-Pro, or maybe even DX, we might be able to do it in a test run.

veganray · Mar 16 2010, 02:44 PM

Transitional R-Pro/KC Pro mix Teebirds - I think I need to change my shorts!

futurecollisions · Mar 16 2010, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

It would be easy to make TeeBirds or Firebirds in the KC Roc material. We did that for a while with the Whippet, but there wasn't much interest. I don't think there would be much interest in the Firebirds or TeeBirds either. This might not be a bad experiment to try, if and when we had time. Right now, we don't unfortunately.

I have some of those whippets you mentioned and they are very strange, I never got used to them. Not sure how it would work as a teebird or firebird but they would be very brittle. Star and champion whippet gets my vote though

pdorries · Mar 16 2010, 03:29 PM

There are enough teebird lovers out there to warrant a run of kc pro plastic teebirds... just thinking about that ... wow would be amazing, imagine a nice seasoned KC pro teebird... !!!!

tanner · Mar 16 2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

What have you heard about the liking or disliking of the beefy teebird and roc?
I like the plastic and the flight of the teebird but, for me, the rim makes it difficult to get a consistant release. The disc tends to fall out early. I have thrown the teebird for years so getting used to the new mold probably isn't going to happen. Love the flight and the plastic but the feel of the mold is odd. Haven't thrown the roc.
I am curious what others think.

There is a beefy TB mold? I just figured beefier ones were "heavy", not a different mold.

Furthur · Mar 16 2010, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanner

There is a beefy TB mold? I just figured beefier ones were "heavy", not a different mold.

Dave says it feels different, but doesn't fly that different Tanner. You can check out what DGR folks that purchased it think:

http://discgolfreview.com/forums/vie...hp?f=5&t=16650

quickdisc · Mar 16 2010, 04:24 PM

Hey Dave ,

Any Chance of a Re-make of these Sweet Rocs ?

two5twosix9 · Mar 16 2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veganray

Transitional R-Pro/KC Pro mix Teebirds - I think I need to change my shorts!

Mixing r pro and kc might make a dx type disc. Please don't do it.

thediscinmusician · Mar 16 2010, 05:38 PM

Well... I'll start the list.

1,000 people who want KC Pro Teebirds/Firebirds back. (Bet we can get this filled within a month. If it makes a difference I'll buy 5 of them.

1. "Big" George Anthony III
2.

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ross PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 235	Star Rancho Rocs? Hi Dave -- sorry if you have already answered this but any plans to make the Rancho Rocs in Star plastic?

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pdorries PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,051	There are enough teebird lovers out there to warrant a run of kc pro plastic teebirds... just thinking about that ... wow would be amazing, imagine a nice seasoned KC pro teebird... !!!! __________________ ...TEAM INNOVA...

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Mar 15 2010, 11:54 AM	#11101
joegraham PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 63	Lighter Star Boss' are wicked overstable. I have a 168, and 167. More overstable than anything I've thrown in a long time!

Mar 15 2010, 12:50 PM	#11102
AWSmith PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 338	dave, what has changed between the 3x, 4x, and 5x jk valks? my original was a 3x that was super stable and amazing in the wind. after that got stolen i got a 4x, which was ever so slightly more understable, almost negligent. i recently acquired a 5x and its way!!!! flippier. i remember some time ago something about the valks at one point having a X mold and a L mold, similar to the Eagle. just curious really if its me thats changed or the disc or a combo of both. thanks

Mar 15 2010, 03:02 PM	#11105
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Dave, Is there any reason why you cannot make some drivers in the current KC Pro Roc plastic? Maybe a CFR run of Teebirds? I like the KC Roc plastic because- 1. The grip is excellent. Not too grippy like dx, not too slick like champ or star. 2. How the flight pattern of the disc changes gradually over time. A dx might beat into a perfect dead-straight flight for a short period of time, but will continue beating up and turn into a roller very quickly. Champ/star doesn't beat in enough to change the flight in a reasonable period of time. A TB in KC Roc plastic would be sweet! Please?

Mar 15 2010, 07:08 PM	#11109
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	A KC plastic firebird would be pretty awesome. I would love to have a mako in the KC also.

Mar 15 2010, 11:46 PM	#11112
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	ross--i sent you a pm

Mar 16 2010, 10:23 AM	#11113
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	great Idea about KC plastic stuff, i would love to try a teebird, mako in KC...wow sounds cool.

Mar 16 2010, 12:38 PM	#11116
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	What have you heard about the liking or disliking of the beefy teebird and roc? I like the plastic and the flight of the teebird but, for me, the rim makes it difficult to get a consistant release. The disc tends to fall out early. I have thrown the teebird for years so getting used to the new mold probably isn't going to happen. Love the flight and the plastic but the feel of the mold is odd. Haven't thrown the roc. I am curious what others think.

Mar 16 2010, 01:10 PM	#11118
DSproAVIAR PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Skillet Posts: 2,506	Dave, Thanks for the response. I hope you find time soon, the demand is there! I think that the KC plastic TB would be much more popular than the KC Whippet. Just my $.02- If I were in the market for a Whippet, I'd get a Whippet in more durable plastic like champ or star so that it would stay overstable. I think that many players feel the same.

Mar 16 2010, 02:18 PM	#11120
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	I think you would be suprised. Newer players that think their wraith is a fairway driver great for 250 foot tunnel shots might not like it but players with a little more experience would likwly jump on some KC tb or fb. They would be awesome. Thanks.

Mar 16 2010, 02:44 PM	#11123
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Transitional R-Pro/KC Pro mix Teebirds - I think I need to change my shorts!

Mar 16 2010, 05:38 PM	#11130
thediscinmusician PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Athens, AL Posts: 190	Well... I'll start the list. 1,000 people who want KC Pro Teebirds/Firebirds back. (Bet we can get this filled within a month. If it makes a difference I'll buy 5 of them. 1. "Big" George Anthony III 2.