Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 370

LastBoyScout · Mar 11 2010, 04:09 PM

Dave,

Any news about up and coming products that your R & D department is working on?

LBS

P.S. Thanks for bringing back the beaded gator-x. My stock of vintage champ gator-x was getting low.

serg · Mar 11 2010, 09:54 PM

Dave, or anyone,

At what point (year?) did the Aviar transition away from the small/micro bead? I've preferred the small/micro beaded Aviar over the current no-bead and the big bead was just too stiff.

Thanks.

davei · Mar 12 2010, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave,

Any news about up and coming products that your R & D department is working on?

LBS

P.S. Thanks for bringing back the beaded gator-x. My stock of vintage champ gator-x was getting low.

The only thing up coming right now is the M2 for Discmania.

davei · Mar 12 2010, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serg

Dave, or anyone,

At what point (year?) did the Aviar transition away from the small/micro bead? I've preferred the small/micro beaded Aviar over the current no-bead and the big bead was just too stiff.

Thanks.

That change was made a couple years ago. You can still get the small bead version from Millennium. We have other Big Bead versions of the Aviar available that are not stiff.

mf100forever · Mar 12 2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

The only thing up coming right now is the M2 for Discmania.

Do you mean MD2, will it be less stable than the MD1?

davei · Mar 12 2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mf100forever

Do you mean MD2, will it be less stable than the MD1?

Yes, MD2. This is the first version that Jussi likes. I believe the previous MD2 versions were too overstable for him. They didn't make it out of prototype stage. The MD2 is not less stable than the MD1, it is different, but the over all flight is straighter, I think. Straighter and less over stable than a Roc. I think these will only be available in Europe at first. C-Line plastic for fundraising, I believe. We have the ability to make these more or less stable in the S or C Line plastics. I don't know what Jussi will want yet.

John Keith · Mar 12 2010, 12:31 PM

so dave what putters ar you jammin with?
Aviars? Do you putt with the same putter you drive and up shot with?
I like to drive and upshot with the JK Aviar, and I putt with the DX BB aviar driver.

ishkatbible · Mar 12 2010, 02:48 PM

maybe i missed it on one of the other 300-some-odd pages...

how many different molds are being made in echo star plastic? other than the teebird?

1967 · Mar 12 2010, 03:20 PM

Dave did you make some echo aviars for the 2009 worlds or was it a test shot run or was I dreaming any help?Thanks

davei · Mar 12 2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

so dave what putters ar you jammin with?
Aviars? Do you putt with the same putter you drive and up shot with?
I like to drive and upshot with the JK Aviar, and I putt with the DX BB aviar driver.

I now use the Star Dart for everything up to about 280ft. I used to use the JK, then I switched to the P2, but when the Dart came out, I switched.

davei · Mar 12 2010, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishkatbible

maybe i missed it on one of the other 300-some-odd pages...

how many different molds are being made in echo star plastic? other than the teebird?

Right now, it's sort of random and there is no official list. I would have to guess about 20.

This includes putters, mids, fairways, and distance drivers. Lately, we have been making more than in the past as we have had a more consistent supply and more demand for Echo Star.

davei · Mar 12 2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1967

Dave did you make some echo aviars for the 2009 worlds or was it a test shot run or was I dreaming any help?Thanks

We have run Echo Star Aviars, but I don't remember if we made any for last years Worlds.

John Keith · Mar 13 2010, 01:03 AM

hey dave, whats up with the new KC Pro Aviars, they have come out real flat (no more dome top) and look just like JK but stiffer???
is there something diff going on or .....?

gippy · Mar 13 2010, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

hey dave, whats up with the new KC Pro Aviars, they have come out real flat (no more dome top) and look just like JK but stiffer???
is there something diff going on or .....?

I like the sounds of this more like the 11Xs? I have seen some pretty BEEFY 12s. Im not a big fan of the dome. I went threw a stack of 12Xs and some where domey and some not strange

bcary93 · Mar 13 2010, 08:31 PM

What does BEEFY mean in a disc? Is it related to Flat or domey-toppedness? I haven't heard that used to describe a disc before.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

I like the sounds of this more like the 11Xs? I have seen some pretty BEEFY 12s. Im not a big fan of the dome. I went threw a stack of 12Xs and some where domey and some not strange

one19 · Mar 13 2010, 09:04 PM

Dear Dave,

No question, just wanted to compliment Innova on the stamps I have seen on

new Echo Boss' and Wraith's. Very classy.

I guess I DO have a question.

What are the odds of a complete retool on disc stampage adopting something similar to the Echo

stamp on all product?

Harry

.

gokayaksteven · Mar 13 2010, 10:00 PM

i use "beefy" to mean more overstable

tokyo · Mar 13 2010, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcary93

What does BEEFY mean in a disc? Is it related to Flat or domey-toppedness? I haven't heard that used to describe a disc before.

Thanks

it is another term for explaining the stability of a disc in terms to another of it's kind, such as some teebirds are more beefey than others

davei · Mar 14 2010, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

hey dave, whats up with the new KC Pro Aviars, they have come out real flat (no more dome top) and look just like JK but stiffer???
is there something diff going on or .....?

The JK and KC molds are the same. The difference was the molding batch. Even though we use the identical named material from the manufacturer, there is always a difference between runs.

davei · Mar 14 2010, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one19

Dear Dave,

No question, just wanted to compliment Innova on the stamps I have seen on

new Echo Boss' and Wraith's. Very classy.

I guess I DO have a question.

What are the odds of a complete retool on disc stampage adopting something similar to the Echo

stamp on all product?

Harry

.

Maybe at some point, but right now we just redid all our stamps to include the rating numbers.

tyson99duke · Mar 14 2010, 05:10 PM

What is the Boss XG? How does it differ from an earier run Champion Boss? Thanks!

gippy · Mar 14 2010, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyson99duke

What is the Boss XG? How does it differ from an earier run Champion Boss? Thanks!

XG=Xxtra Grippy from what i've heard theyare gummy too..........

gippy · Mar 14 2010, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcary93

What does BEEFY mean in a disc? Is it related to Flat or domey-toppedness? I haven't heard that used to describe a disc before.

Thanks

It can mean overstable like refering to a Teebird with the Aviars I was meaning I have seen some that feel like a 10X and the flight plate feels thicker usually heavy weights. Some I have felt like 170 feel thinner flight plate JMO Im sure. You know that feel when you hold a disc it feels like you can really rip it and it hold a straight line. Hope this helps.

gokayaksteven · Mar 14 2010, 07:56 PM

Dave-
being a dart thrower yourself, how did you feel that the new dx darts compared to the r-pro and star, flight-wise?

davei · Mar 14 2010, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Dave-
being a dart thrower yourself, how did you feel that the new dx darts compared to the r-pro and star, flight-wise?

I haven't thrown the DX Dart much to know how it holds up over time, but I assume it starts a little over stable then loses stability over time like most DX models. That is why I switched to the Star from the R-Pro. While the R-Pro held up well for putting, it didn't hold up well enough for driving. The Star holds up for both. The Champion might be a little more stable to start than the Star, so I assume it will hold up longer, but it doesn't have the grip the Star has. If you want to drive with the Dart, I would recommend Star or Champion. If you just want to putt, DX or R-Pro are fine.

dehaas · Mar 15 2010, 01:07 AM

Are the champion darts cfr, or will they be a normal production run soon? I hadn't picked up a star dart until a few days ago, and was suprised at how gummy it was compared to the eco darts.

two5twosix9 · Mar 15 2010, 01:08 AM

What year did you stop making CE plastic?

davei · Mar 15 2010, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dehaas

Are the champion darts cfr, or will they be a normal production run soon? I hadn't picked up a star dart until a few days ago, and was suprised at how gummy it was compared to the eco darts.

The Champion Darts are scheduled for regular production, but the full run hasn't happened yet.

davei · Mar 15 2010, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

What year did you stop making CE plastic?

That's a collector question. We never did stop. The plastic changed from the manufacturer. It was called the same thing, but somehow they changed the formula and we stopped dealing with them eventually. Probably about 2004.

gokayaksteven · Mar 15 2010, 11:34 AM

hi Dave- am going to order some bosses online. I want the most (over)stable. should i go with the 175 DF champ, or the 168 star?
thanks

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Mar 11 2010, 04:09 PM	#11071
LastBoyScout PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 134	Dave, Any news about up and coming products that your R & D department is working on? LBS P.S. Thanks for bringing back the beaded gator-x. My stock of vintage champ gator-x was getting low.

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serg PDGA Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kenosha, WI Posts: 295	Dave, or anyone, At what point (year?) did the Aviar transition away from the small/micro bead? I've preferred the small/micro beaded Aviar over the current no-bead and the big bead was just too stiff. Thanks.

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John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	so dave what putters ar you jammin with? Aviars? Do you putt with the same putter you drive and up shot with? I like to drive and upshot with the JK Aviar, and I putt with the DX BB aviar driver.

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1967 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: snowflake AZ. Posts: 77	Dave did you make some echo aviars for the 2009 worlds or was it a test shot run or was I dreaming any help?Thanks

Mar 13 2010, 01:03 AM	#11083
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	hey dave, whats up with the new KC Pro Aviars, they have come out real flat (no more dome top) and look just like JK but stiffer??? is there something diff going on or .....?

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gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	i use "beefy" to mean more overstable

Mar 14 2010, 07:56 PM	#11094
gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Dave- being a dart thrower yourself, how did you feel that the new dx darts compared to the r-pro and star, flight-wise?

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dehaas Community Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lebanon, IL Posts: 107	Are the champion darts cfr, or will they be a normal production run soon? I hadn't picked up a star dart until a few days ago, and was suprised at how gummy it was compared to the eco darts.

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gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	hi Dave- am going to order some bosses online. I want the most (over)stable. should i go with the 175 DF champ, or the 168 star? thanks