Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 366

warlocks00 · Feb 25 2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

I love teh CFR Domey Destroyers and any Star Domey Destroyers, I can throw them farther with less effort than flat ones. And New they still fly into wind very well.

So are you trying to say you really like domey destroyers?

dehaas · Feb 25 2010, 10:36 AM

How do the beadless star gremlins fly compared to the beaded ones? I really like the gremlin as a midrange because to me it feels more like a driver, and I can give it a nice solid rip and know what it's going to do. Are they a lot more undertable? Something with a late anhyzer turn would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by veganray

CFR STAR Gremlins are beadless & will be hard to differentiate by sight from Panthers. DX, ProLine, & CFR Champion Gremlins (as well as DiscMania GMs, I believe) are beaded.

mikeP · Feb 25 2010, 11:05 AM

Dave,

I was comparing a first run Goblin the other day with an R-Pro Dart and they looked very similar, if not the same. Are the Goblin and Dart the same mold? Thanks.

davei · Feb 25 2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeP

Dave,

I was comparing a first run Goblin the other day with an R-Pro Dart and they looked very similar, if not the same. Are the Goblin and Dart the same mold? Thanks.

The Goblin was retooled into the Dart and resubmitted to PDGA. The core is different. The PDGA measurements should be too.

veganray · Feb 25 2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dehaas

How do the beadless star gremlins fly compared to the beaded ones? I really like the gremlin as a midrange because to me it feels more like a driver, and I can give it a nice solid rip and know what it's going to do. Are they a lot more undertable? Something with a late anhyzer turn would be awesome.

I have found the beadless Gremlin to start off mad overstable (like an old ProLine), but beat into a laser-straight flyer. The STAR one in my bag has kept that laser-straight flight for a few years now. It is less overstable than a brand-new beaded DX Gremlin, but a bit less understable than a properly seasoned beaded DX Gremlin. If you're looking for late flippiness, a beat DX is the way to go. Even better, there are a few beadless DX out there (mine have a So Cal Championships 2006 stamp on them).

BTW - I have a ton of beadless STAR Gremlins & a few beadless DX Gremlins I could part with. PM if interested.

John Keith · Feb 25 2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by warlocks00

So are you trying to say you really like domey destroyers?

Uh Yeh...Yes I really enjoy the Domey Destroyers and I agree the Echo Star are great, but i also love the CFR domey ones. I can get max distance and still have accuracy which is amazing to me. The Boss's are Crazy fast but not as consistant, not near as controled and skip hard left at the end which sometimes is a bad thing depending on basket placement.
So my looong D driver with good control is domey Destroyer

John Keith · Feb 25 2010, 02:49 PM

and CE boy, I understand. the feeling of a disc in the hand is a big deal. even if you sacrifice disc flight the feel of hand is confidence to brain and can equal better shot for certain players.....
but watch out, If I ever see you with your CE bag, Ill proll'y Jack U,
Your bag of disc is prob worth /.... what about$1000

gippy · Feb 25 2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

and CE boy, I understand. the feeling of a disc in the hand is a big deal. even if you sacrifice disc flight the feel of hand is confidence to brain and can equal better shot for certain players.....
but watch out, If I ever see you with your CE bag, Ill proll'y Jack U,
Your bag of disc is prob worth /.... what about$1000

Gee thanks thats real reassuring that a fellow DGer would post this. that you may jack me WTF and No the discs in my bag probally wouldn't get but maybe $20 each casue they are used for so long. Don't worry about it I never leave my bag just sitting around and if you think your gonna get it from me good luck. The reason I still throw CE is the fact that I bought them when they where $16 and got used to using them so they remain in the bag.

quickdisc · Feb 25 2010, 04:34 PM

I like these Cool TeeBirds.

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the_kid · Feb 25 2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gippy

Gee thanks thats real reassuring that a fellow DGer would post this. that you may jack me WTF and No the discs in my bag probally wouldn't get but maybe $20 each casue they are used for so long. Don't worry about it I never leave my bag just sitting around and if you think your gonna get it from me good luck. The reason I still throw CE is the fact that I bought them when they where $16 and got used to using them so they remain in the bag.

C'mon he was joking even though I have seen it happen.........Keith was just giving you a hard time for your CE.

rizbee · Feb 25 2010, 06:03 PM

Hey Dave - Have I thanked you yet for the Mako? For me, it flies so remarkably straight, with a very straight finish, which I love. Will they ever come in non-DX plastic in weights lower than 167?

davei · Feb 25 2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Hey Dave - Have I thanked you yet for the Mako? For me, it flies so remarkably straight, with a very straight finish, which I love. Will they ever come in non-DX plastic in weights lower than 167?

We are running the Star Mako right now and hope to get it down to low 60s. I don't know if DX is feasible because of the rim structure. It would wear very quickly and become very flippy.

rizbee · Feb 25 2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

We are running the Star Mako right now and hope to get it down to low 60s. I don't know if DX is feasible because of the rim structure. It would wear very quickly and become very flippy.

Yeah, I'm not interested in DX, for the reason you stated. Low 160's would be schweet.

John Keith · Feb 25 2010, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

Gee thanks thats real reassuring that a fellow DGer would post this. that you may jack me WTF and No the discs in my bag probally wouldn't get but maybe $20 each casue they are used for so long. Don't worry about it I never leave my bag just sitting around and if you think your gonna get it from me good luck. The reason I still throw CE is the fact that I bought them when they where $16 and got used to using them so they remain in the bag.

WOW, slow your roll Dog, i was kidding. I think its cool you throw CE, I have a few boys that are giddy over CE, I just dont like throwing it becuase i get to worried about losing it.
Seriously, I was just kiddin....

John Keith · Feb 25 2010, 09:51 PM

im very interested to try the Makko. Living up at 6000ft i need more un-stable things, or atleast stable. I think I now have use for a makko.
What types of shots is the makko taking over for people? Up shots? Long KC Roc shots?
Longer putter drives? Stable hyzer shots? Just strait up the middle shots?

two5twosix9 · Feb 26 2010, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

im very interested to try the Makko. Living up at 6000ft i need more un-stable things, or atleast stable. I think I now have use for a makko.
What types of shots is the makko taking over for people? Up shots? Long KC Roc shots?
Longer putter drives? Stable hyzer shots? Just strait up the middle shots?

you name it, it does it. a bit longer than a roc due to the added glide but a very true flight. keep it high enough and it will bomb hyzers, goes straight when thrown slight hyzer to flat release, and has a nice slow turn if released slightly anny or overpowered with a flat release. its a good consistant flier for sure.

davei · Feb 26 2010, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizbee

Hey Dave - Have I thanked you yet for the Mako? For me, it flies so remarkably straight, with a very straight finish, which I love. Will they ever come in non-DX plastic in weights lower than 167?

I just tested the Mako in Echo Star and got it down to 165gm. That usually means that regular Star can go a little lower.

mikeP · Feb 26 2010, 09:21 AM

Dave,
On behalf of the entire DGR website, THANKS FOR RUNNING THE CHAMPION PDS! I'm not sure if you ever lurk over there, but the PD has a strong following there. I think we've bought close to 60 of those champs this week, and that's just the people that posted how many they bought.

Anyway, have you thrown the Champ PD? If so, how does it compare to the first run S-PDs?
Thanks.

davei · Feb 26 2010, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeP

Dave,
On behalf of the entire DGR website, THANKS FOR RUNNING THE CHAMPION PDS! I'm not sure if you ever lurk over there, but the PD has a strong following there. I think we've bought close to 60 of those champs this week, and that's just the people that posted how many they bought.

Anyway, have you thrown the Champ PD? If so, how does it compare to the first run S-PDs?
Thanks.

Sorry, I have only thrown the S-PDs and the P-PDs. I haven't had a chance to try the C-PD yet to compare.

geo · Feb 26 2010, 03:32 PM

Any plans on running a champ or glow champ Mako? It is an awesome disc and I'd love one with a little more stability. Thanks!

rizbee · Feb 26 2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

I just tested the Mako in Echo Star and got it down to 165gm. That usually means that regular Star can go a little lower.

Schweeeeet!!!! Love to have some white ones for the Grand Opening of the Cal State San Marcos DGC.

davei · Feb 26 2010, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geo

Any plans on running a champ or glow champ Mako? It is an awesome disc and I'd love one with a little more stability. Thanks!

We were planning on running some Champion Makos. Not sure about Glow Champion. You might try a Champion Coyote for a disc with a little more stability.

John Keith · Feb 27 2010, 12:34 AM

so is a coyote a mako with a bead...type disc???

davei · Feb 27 2010, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

so is a coyote a mako with a bead...type disc???

A Coyote is a slightly more stable Rancho Cucamonga mold. The Mako is made with a San Marino mold.

Drew32 · Feb 28 2010, 10:24 AM

Will the Champ Makos be available by March? At least for CFR?

davei · Feb 28 2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew32

Will the Champ Makos be available by March? At least for CFR?

Possibly by the end of March, but not sooner.

John Keith · Feb 28 2010, 08:23 PM

wow 1st full day of Huk'ng the Makko. I am very interested. I threw the Makko, Z Buzz and my 2 KC rocs for all shots on course. It was windy and the Makko did not fly into wind (obviously) But I was very amazed at the nice anny glide and flight. I did not dump on anny lines like a Buzz SS that I thought it would be like. It flew anny lines gorgeous like a well beat KC ROC but...but..it went fruther with less Height..Air. So I dont need the same high ceiling as a Roc but I can still get more dsitance of an anny. Very Interesting and good shot to have. It was not stable like the Buzz. If I powered the Makko strait like the Buzz or new KC roc...the mako will flip...consistanly but it does flip. SO I will not use it for Hyzers or stable shots. I will throw Buzz or KC ROC, but The Makko seems like it would love to replace the Anny Ontario Roc and seems like it might perform better with less effort. I am very impressed with the glide, distance and anny angles. I will keep rocs and buzz for strait to hyzers and E Warrior for windy hyzers, but the Makko will possibly be a great anny disc.

Im interested to see a few in Champion....wondereing what it will do to flight, mold....If more stable I would like to see...

John Keith · Feb 28 2010, 09:16 PM

So the Makko is a san marion beadless coyote and a coyote is a beaded disc from Rancho???Im confused. Or there is a base mold that your working from?

John Keith · Feb 28 2010, 09:17 PM

so is there a racnho stable Makko??? will there be???I would love this thing with a bead or over stability added, it would take the place of 3 mids..

rizbee · Feb 28 2010, 11:34 PM

Sounds like the Ranch-stable Mako is called the Coyote?

Feb 25 2010, 06:03 PM	#10961
rizbee PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 2,402	Hey Dave - Have I thanked you yet for the Mako? For me, it flies so remarkably straight, with a very straight finish, which I love. Will they ever come in non-DX plastic in weights lower than 167? __________________ "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic disc golfer. Rizbee will be that golfer. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, birdie-er." - Oscar Goldman

Feb 26 2010, 09:21 AM	#10968
mikeP Community Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,506	Champion PD Dave, On behalf of the entire DGR website, THANKS FOR RUNNING THE CHAMPION PDS! I'm not sure if you ever lurk over there, but the PD has a strong following there. I think we've bought close to 60 of those champs this week, and that's just the people that posted how many they bought. Anyway, have you thrown the Champ PD? If so, how does it compare to the first run S-PDs? Thanks.

Feb 28 2010, 11:34 PM	#10980
rizbee PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 2,402	Sounds like the Ranch-stable Mako is called the Coyote? __________________ "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic disc golfer. Rizbee will be that golfer. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, birdie-er." - Oscar Goldman

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Feb 25 2010, 11:05 AM	#10953
mikeP Community Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,506	Dave, I was comparing a first run Goblin the other day with an R-Pro Dart and they looked very similar, if not the same. Are the Goblin and Dart the same mold? Thanks.

Feb 25 2010, 02:49 PM	#10957
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	and CE boy, I understand. the feeling of a disc in the hand is a big deal. even if you sacrifice disc flight the feel of hand is confidence to brain and can equal better shot for certain players..... but watch out, If I ever see you with your CE bag, Ill proll'y Jack U, Your bag of disc is prob worth /.... what about$1000

Feb 25 2010, 09:51 PM	#10965
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	im very interested to try the Makko. Living up at 6000ft i need more un-stable things, or atleast stable. I think I now have use for a makko. What types of shots is the makko taking over for people? Up shots? Long KC Roc shots? Longer putter drives? Stable hyzer shots? Just strait up the middle shots?

Feb 26 2010, 03:32 PM	#10970
geo PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: berkeley, ca, Posts: 111	Any plans on running a champ or glow champ Mako? It is an awesome disc and I'd love one with a little more stability. Thanks!

Feb 27 2010, 12:34 AM	#10973
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	so is a coyote a mako with a bead...type disc???

Feb 28 2010, 10:24 AM	#10975
Drew32 PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 397	Will the Champ Makos be available by March? At least for CFR?

Feb 28 2010, 08:23 PM	#10977
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	wow 1st full day of Huk'ng the Makko. I am very interested. I threw the Makko, Z Buzz and my 2 KC rocs for all shots on course. It was windy and the Makko did not fly into wind (obviously) But I was very amazed at the nice anny glide and flight. I did not dump on anny lines like a Buzz SS that I thought it would be like. It flew anny lines gorgeous like a well beat KC ROC but...but..it went fruther with less Height..Air. So I dont need the same high ceiling as a Roc but I can still get more dsitance of an anny. Very Interesting and good shot to have. It was not stable like the Buzz. If I powered the Makko strait like the Buzz or new KC roc...the mako will flip...consistanly but it does flip. SO I will not use it for Hyzers or stable shots. I will throw Buzz or KC ROC, but The Makko seems like it would love to replace the Anny Ontario Roc and seems like it might perform better with less effort. I am very impressed with the glide, distance and anny angles. I will keep rocs and buzz for strait to hyzers and E Warrior for windy hyzers, but the Makko will possibly be a great anny disc. Im interested to see a few in Champion....wondereing what it will do to flight, mold....If more stable I would like to see...

Feb 28 2010, 09:16 PM	#10978
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	So the Makko is a san marion beadless coyote and a coyote is a beaded disc from Rancho???Im confused. Or there is a base mold that your working from?

Feb 28 2010, 09:17 PM	#10979
John Keith Community Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: America Posts: 747	so is there a racnho stable Makko??? will there be???I would love this thing with a bead or over stability added, it would take the place of 3 mids..